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| I am currently working with another member of the board who has come up with this replacement exhaust tip design. It will be manufactured out of 6061-T6 aluminum and once we prototype and test a set we will be offering them for sale. Don't ask about a price yet but I do promise you that the price will be inline with the Gatlin tips offered from Victory. I am only posting here in order to get a feel for how many would be interested, once in production they will be sold on the classified board and a advertising fee paid to the owners of the board to help defray the cost associated with keeping this great website up and running. Please PM me if you would be interested in a set. Here is a SolidWorks CAD/CAM image of the design:
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New Bohemia, VA | that looks "Visiony" I might be interested. |
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seattle, wa | Very cool. Don't know if I'll have the money to purchase, but ya never know. |
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| Count me in. I was looking at something similiar, but it meant a whole pipe system. Are you looking at chroming these or polished?
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Richmond, Virginia | I have the gatlin tips but would like these if they were 1. tips only and didnt have to upgrade my system 2. priced around what i paid for my gatlin tips from Victory, Im sure i could sell my set on here to someone. Would want them chromed keep us informed.
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| Thanks for the input guys!
Ricrok; Those pipes were the inspiration for the design but had to modified to take into account how stock and S1L1 mufflers route the exhaust gases. These tips will be approximately the same overall length and weight of the gatlin tips.
The tips are going to fit any exhaust that the stock or gatlin tips fit!
The center of the tip is a separate component so it will allow options such as powder coating the center while having the rest of the unit chromed or vise versa.
Keep the input coming, I'm getting excited about machining these!
BTW, I always give credit where it is due and never take someone else's so I will say again that this design is by another member of the board who I won't mention unless he chooses to post here, I am simply the guy who will be machining these.
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Pittsburgh, PA | i think chrome is the only way too go, if they were polished it wouldnt look right when the rest of the chrome on the exhaust.? |
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San Antonio, TX | They should be mat black....then you do not have to clean them as often.
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| Don't choke it down to match the stock muffler outlet, or you will eliminate the guys with Atom Bombs (me). |
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knoxville, iowa | Count me in. I will be watching for updates and availability. |
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Cold Lake Alberta Canada | These look fantastic, I am really interested and also awaiting updates.
Hats off to anyone that can "just machining" them! That is big skills guys, you and the designer are quite a team.
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Richmond, Virginia | Order for chrome !!! me me me me me me add me to the list. Anyone want to buy my perfectly good set of gatlin tips????? |
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| Rikrok,
There should be no problem with flow as the area that is open for the exhaust gases to flow is larger than the combined area of both header pipes, therefore any restrictions will be in the mufflers and the tip should have no affect on performance. The area in square inches of the exhaust is about 3 times the area of the stock tips, the back of the tip is completely open with a thick flange to allow the tip mounting screws plenty of material to tighten into and in the center there is a deflector cone to direct the exhaust gases to the openings. |
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Memphis | I'm in. |
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seattle, wa | Good ol' American free market. Gotta love it! |
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Montreal, QC Canada | Ok, I'm in too. I HAVE to be the first in Canada! |
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Fontana,Ca | Yes, I would be interested. Chrome-I agreee. But I'm wondering how they are going to sound? |
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McHenry, IL | Here is a view from the "other" side. Travelin Man already discussed the diversion of the gasses with the center cone and cross sectional flow area greater than the stock set up. It will not be as open as the Gatlin tips but there is still more than the exhaust headers themselves.
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McHenry, IL | rikrok - 2010-03-29 12:48 PM
Me likey!!! Can you guys graft a picture of that onto a bike?
Hmmm, wish I could! LOL! I have no idea how to make a "chop"! If you look straight down at the back of your bike, the tips would extend out the same amount as the rear valence does. The overall length is approximately 5-3/4", if that helps any. |
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LaPorte,Tx. | OK, this needs a fin or two. A little "Buck Rodgers" rocket fin off the top so the fin would start about 10" up on the muffler chrome cover and ends at the back edge of this tip make it about 6" tall at the back end. Kinda like the back of a rocket. Put a red LED light at the top of the tip. One small fin on the side would be good also. Chrome it all. Sweet!
Just yesterday I had another non-Vision rider as me where the wings were...so this would work. Normally when they ask, I say I didn't get the optional solar panels and that's the only you get the wings.
These are cool tips, thanks for putting in the effort. |
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| VisionTex - 2010-03-29 5:11 PM
OK, this needs a fin or two. A little "Buck Rodgers" rocket fin off the top so the fin would start about 10" up on the muffler chrome cover and ends at the back edge of this tip make it about 6" tall at the back end. Kinda like the back of a rocket. Put a red LED light at the top of the tip. One small fin on the side would be good also. Chrome it all. Sweet!
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Stockton, Ca. | Count me in! Very nice! |
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| Rick, I've got the material cut for the prototypes and I'm just waiting for an opening in my cnc lathe production schedule (I manufacture industrial cutting tools for the the engineered wood products industry) and I'll be getting them done, the time in producing the first parts will be in tooling the setups and once that is done the actual production of parts for finishing will go quickly, so please bear with us on this.
Trust me, they will be worth the wait along with the custom trunk rack that I am also in the process of designing. |
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Cold Lake Alberta Canada | I can hardly wait, these look awsome. |
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| I like it as well so you could count me in...... T
ps... You'll get braggin rights as this is the FIRST part for the Vision I have seen that made me say " I gotta have that."
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| Rick, I'm simply waiting for a slot to open up in my cnc lathe (orders of my regular products have more then doubled in the past two months, thank God!), once I get an opening I will produce the prototypes and test the fit (I'll post pictures) and then send them out for powder coat and chroming. I'm planning on an initial production run of 40 sets and from the looks of it I'll be able to keep the price right in line with the Victory Gatlin tips. I just spent $5000 on new software (BobCAD-CAM V23 mill/lathe/art) that should make it a little easier to design and produce accessories for not just the Vision but ANY motorcycle, and even bring down the cost of doing custom "one-offs"!s |
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I can hardly wait and waiting waiting keep the price right an waiting |
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Memphis | Bump. Keeping this on the front burner. |
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Saskatchewan (hard to say, easy to draw ) | Songfan, thanks for bringing this to the front...I'd have missed it! So glad I didn't get the Gattlin tips or offer to buy Varyers (did ya sell 'em yet?). Was even thinking of the tailgunners (was really thinking of those!) but this is good. Keep us in the know please for available date, order info and $$$. |
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| Bluto - 2010-03-29 8:31 AM
Here is a view from the "other" side. Travelin Man already discussed the diversion of the gasses with the center cone and cross sectional flow area greater than the stock set up. It will not be as open as the Gatlin tips but there is still more than the exhaust headers themselves.
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Looks really good, but I see a possible problem. The rear diverter cone and openings don't look aggressive enough to prevent a concussive sound wave from being pushed back into the muffler. Even though your openings have an area greater than the existing opening, that wave could actually slow the expulsion of the gases. |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Oh, yeah! Me likey! How soon can we get our hands on a set?? |
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McHenry, IL | sgiacci - 2010-04-27 3:38 PM
Looks really good, but I see a possible problem. The rear diverter cone and openings don't look aggressive enough to prevent a concussive sound wave from being pushed back into the muffler. Even though your openings have an area greater than the existing opening, that wave could actually slow the expulsion of the gases.
We'll have to see once we get the first set cut. I did run a fluid flow simulation on the model and everything looked okay but there were a lot of assumptions I had to make since I did not model the entire exhaust system. Hoping to get some machine time later this week to cut the first set. Backpressure isn't necessarily a bad thing, especially on a low rev, high torque engine.
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| Bluto - 2010-04-28 7:16 AM
sgiacci - 2010-04-27 3:38 PM
Looks really good, but I see a possible problem. The rear diverter cone and openings don't look aggressive enough to prevent a concussive sound wave from being pushed back into the muffler. Even though your openings have an area greater than the existing opening, that wave could actually slow the expulsion of the gases.
We'll have to see once we get the first set cut. I did run a fluid flow simulation on the model and everything looked okay but there were a lot of assumptions I had to make since I did not model the entire exhaust system. Hoping to get some machine time later this week to cut the first set. Backpressure isn't necessarily a bad thing, especially on a low rev, high torque engine.
Thanks for your your input!
Back pressure or flow isn't what I'm concerned for you here. That wave I'm referring to is like a shock wave (engines are just controlled explosions), and if left unmanaged it could send added force (not pressure) back through the pipes. Shock waves do not act like fluids and gases, in that they reflect and bounce, versus compress, expand and reroute.
If conditions are right (or bad), you could bend some valves. At the risk of being rude I will repeat myself ? you could bend some valves.
So what is the solution: - I expect a deep discount when I buy a set for this information 
Since you are blocking the primary outlet with a cone you need to consider the angle of incidence (reflectivity), and make it so great that you only send a tiny wave back up into the pipe.
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If the inner cone is longer and more gradual (like the outer one) you would likely reduce this risk, because the angle of incidence would be greater.
The irony here is that the "look" you are trying to achieve is a design to solve this same issue in real jet engines.
Good luck?
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LaPorte,Tx. | The Flux Capacitor will hinder or stop any chance of bent valves!  |
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Saskatchewan (hard to say, easy to draw ) | And the dilithium crystals will be f*'d Captain? I love it and thanks to all! Combustion vs. detonation! Shock and Awe and pressure.... Where is Candubrain on this?!? |
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Saskatchewan (hard to say, easy to draw ) | Double tapped....sorry!
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McHenry, IL | sgiacci - 2010-04-28 3:34 PM
Back pressure or flow isn't what I'm concerned for you here. That wave I'm referring to is like a shock wave (engines are just controlled explosions), and if left unmanaged it could send added force (not pressure) back through the pipes. Shock waves do not act like fluids and gases, in that they reflect and bounce, versus compress, expand and reroute.
If conditions are right (or bad), you could bend some valves. At the risk of being rude I will repeat myself ? you could bend some valves.
So what is the solution: - I expect a deep discount when I buy a set for this information
Since you are blocking the primary outlet with a cone you need to consider the angle of incidence (reflectivity), and make it so great that you only send a tiny wave back up into the pipe.
Example:
If the inner cone is longer and more gradual (like the outer one) you would likely reduce this risk, because the angle of incidence would be greater.
The irony here is that the "look" you are trying to achieve is a design to solve this same issue in real jet engines.
Good luck?
Thanks for your thoughts. My original design (sketched by hand) had a longer, radiused cone but did not make it into the model. My concern with lengthening the cone (to make it steeper) is it will be located closer to the exhaust tube and act like a conical valve of sorts.
Have you ever looked at the baffle system used by V&H? The Quiet baffles are glass wrapped and have a solid, flat front end to them. There's another exhaust company (CRS, can't remembler the name off the top of my head) that uses stacked plates (with a solid end cap) to adjust the back pressure. I understand what your concerns are and appreciate the feedback (how else can a design evolve). Just because others do it, does not make it right. Any ideas on how to evaluate/measure to ensure this is not happening? I have never designed a jet engine but do design blast resistance structures and "hardening" retrofits for military and petro chemical applications so I have a decent understanding of wave propogation dynamics.
PS as to the "at the risk of being rude" comment, LOL! I'm an engineer, I don't have feelings, just ask my wife! |
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McHenry, IL | NICE! LOL! We are a different bunch, aren't we?
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Allen Park, MI | Bluto - 2010-04-29 8:54 AM
There's another exhaust company (CRS, can't remembler the name off the top of my head) that uses stacked plates (with a solid end cap) to adjust the back pressure.
Hey Jim...I think you may have been thinking of SuperTrapp.... You could adjust tone and back pressure by adding or removing plates.
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McHenry, IL | Prostreet1 - 2010-04-29 10:23 AM
Hey Jim...I think you may have been thinking of SuperTrapp.... You could adjust tone and back pressure by adding or removing plates.
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| Bluto - 2010-04-29 10:48 AM
Prostreet1 - 2010-04-29 10:23 AM
Hey Jim...I think you may have been thinking of SuperTrapp.... You could adjust tone and back pressure by adding or removing plates.
Coop
That's it! Thank you
The funny part is that Supertrapp came up with that design for airplane motors, and later on started doing it for motorcycles. It is an incredible design that dissapates the compressive wave out the sides, and it is done very simply. Hence you get the thump, but not the pop.
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Allen Park, MI | sgiacci - 2010-04-29 12:15 PM
Bluto - 2010-04-29 10:48 AM
Prostreet1 - 2010-04-29 10:23 AM
Hey Jim...I think you may have been thinking of SuperTrapp.... You could adjust tone and back pressure by adding or removing plates.
Coop
That's it! Thank you
The funny part is that Supertrapp came up with that design for airplane motors, and later on started doing it for motorcycles. It is an incredible design that dissapates the compressive wave out the sides, and it is done very simply. Hence you get the thump, but not the pop.
Good stuff....Its just awesome to have such a wealth of knowledge on this site...kicks ass. |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | OK, we are all getting anxious . . . did you get some of these bad boys CNC'd?? |
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| Patience please, I've encountered a minor set back in the generation of the code for the machining but have just spent over $5000 of my own money to purchase new software and training, I should have parts off the machines by the end of May and ready for a full on production run by the middle of June as promised earlier. I am flying to Raleigh N.C. for a training seminar from the 19th to the 21st and plan on cutting pieces the week after and posting pictures of them mounted on a bike.
On a good note though I just found out last weekend that even though Victory will not acknowledge it the tips on the Vision and the Cross bikes have the same mounting dimensions so these tips should fit those bikes too! |
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Oppelo, Arkansas | Travelin Man - 2010-04-30 5:26 PM On a good note though I just found out last weekend that even though Victory will not acknowledge it the tips on the Vision and the Cross bikes have the same mounting dimensions so these tips should fit those bikes too!If that's the case, I'll be interested in a set too! I think those will look sweet!!!
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NE Florida Jacksonville | I'd love a set in chrome, let me know when I can order a set. |
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Memphis | No pressure. Just keeping this on the front burner. |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | SongFan - 2010-05-14 3:06 PM
No pressure.? Just keeping this on the front burner.
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Oppelo, Arkansas | Man314 - 2010-05-15 6:16 PM SongFan - 2010-05-14 3:06 PM No pressure.? Just keeping this on the front burner. +1+2 |
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Memphis | My wife and kids are asking me what I want for Father's Day. What should I tell them? |
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| Okay, okay, I was going to wait until I had perfected and fine tuned the machining but I should have the first set completely machined next week unless we get swamped again with orders for our regular product. I've gotten the lathe work done on the back side of 4 pieces (2 sets) and finished turning a second set of jaws for the lathe to hold those pieces to turn the second side (the side that you'll see when on the bike), once the lathe work is complete I have to machine a set of soft jaws for one of our precision Kurt vises to hold them to machine the openings that the exhaust will pass through and drill and tap the center hole for the bullet in the center. Machining the bullet will be a simple 2 step process. All told I am looking at 5 completely different set-ups between mill and lathe work and since I want to be able to offer a finely machined finish (the kind of machined finish you can have simply clear anodized because it looks so good) that will save polishing time prior to chroming and eliminate any other finishing needed to powder coat or anodize.
Bluto gets the first pre-production set since he designed them and then I plan a production run of 40 complete sets.
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Memphis | Thanks for the update T-Man! Update has been forwarded to the wife and kids.......verbatim. |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Excellent! Do post pics when you get a set completed. Any thoughts on whether it will change the sound of stock pipes? |
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| Finally got some lathe time in this week, was going to do this on Saturday but our shop had no power due to a storm that created havoc throughout northeastern Illinois. Here are a couple of pics I took after the first side (back side towards the muffler) was turned. 
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Nice! Kinda hard to run a CNC without electricity. Looking forward to seeing completed product on a bike! |
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scotts valley, California | I put a set of homemade gattlins on my Ness honkers and feel that they adversely affect my performance and economy. The total outlet area is sufficient, but I think the gas entrance side should be engineered better than just a flat plate with six 7/8" holes in it (including one in the center). Do you agree? |
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20 miles west of Chicago. | I was just looking at the drawings and it occurred to me that if the short cone on the inside were made a cylinder instead, perhaps a little longer. and center drilled with a threaded hole on the side facing the inside of the pipe, the tips could be made tunable for different motor/exhaust configurations, a la "Super-Trapp", by screwing a disk to the cylinder and providing disks of various diameters to allow more or less exhaust flow. The problem would be that a considerable degree of expertise in exhaust tuning would be necessary and no doubt considerable experimentation to determine the diameters of the disks for various applications. This, I think, would be beyond the scope of the project, but interesting to think about. |
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scotts valley, California | Yah, Kevin opened up the intake side of things for me when he X'd the bike. Arlen designed an exhaust system that would let gasses flow. Then I choke down the very end of the system with some good looking gattlins. Go figure...... |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Have some to ship in time for AVR on Aug 20th? |
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Tacoma, WA | Hmmm. I like mine. I made them, and they keep the tailgaters away.------Metalguy
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/metalguy/IMG_2315.jpg All stainless, too. Yes, that is a 105mm Howitzer shell in the pic from an AC-130.
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| Still waiting to get lathe time to turn the second side, once the turning is finished the rest of the machining will go quickly because I have 3 CNC machining centers but only 1 CNC lathe. I really wish I could just devote myself full time to this and other motorcycle related products I am developing but we are a small manufacturing shop (2 employees besides family) with our own regular product line of cutting tools for the engineered wood products industry (think building products), and right now that end of the business has been picking up again. I had been hoping to use the time when we were VERY slow to prototype and perfect the production of these tips but now I have to manage inserting that development procedure into our regular production schedule.
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | No problem. Glad to hear business has picked up! We all know that development efforts take a long time. Most of us don't even know about a product until it is ready to sell . . . we just get excited when we see something soooo cool for the bikes we are so pationate about. |
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Northeast Ohio | Can we do some sort of pre-order? I think a bunch of us want to make sure we get a set. |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Howz it commin' Travelin Man? |
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scotts valley, California | FYI, all Ya'll: My concern about back pressures from my home made gattlin tips seems to have been for naught. I made a three thousand mile trip without them and got 42 mpg riding hard (the on board computer said 45.8 mpg). I then made a four thousand mile trip with the tips on and got 42.8 mpg riding hard (the on board computer said 47.5) My Vision has the kevinx cam job and ness honker mufflers. Apparently the tips fool the on board computer but slightly improve milage. Performance is another matter; not having specific quantitative date to work with, I can't say if performance is affected one way or the other. I can tell you that a friend has a 2010 Screaming Eagle Ultra that he put an additional $8000 worth of go fast stuff on (like two into one pipes). Starting a comparative run side by side at 85mph in fifth gear, we simultaneously cracked out throttles, and I was actually embarrassed by how badly I beat him -- not even close -- I did not crawl away or walk away from him, I ran away from him. My tips were on during this event. Considering the good looks, the sound, and the apparent performance, the tips are going to stay on the bike. |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Now I am REALLY drooling! I assume you got the prototype set or has he started cranking out production? |
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scotts valley, California | Hey, Man 314, my FYI about back pressure was not relative to travlin man's tips. They were my own design that started off as rotators, but the rattling and gas leaks bugged me so I welded them into one sealed piece. Travlin Man's look a lot more hi-teck than mine and may produce better results. |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Thx Blue Sky Guy! I thought you got a prototype. |
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scotts valley, California | I'm going to try to attach a photo one more time here. If someone could post instructions on how to do this, I would be grateful.
If the photo comes through, it is just there for your consideration. The longer "barrels" really amplify the sweeping lines of the back end of the bike, but they are a little vulnerable to backing into curbs.
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| Ok guys, here is where we stand right now.........
I HAVE NOT been able to do anymore work on these tips since my last post due to the increase in production with my normal product line.
I WILL have the first batch of tips finished (5 sets) before Christmas even if I have to send them out to a job shop to have the work done. Once I have the machining finished I will send a set out to get prices on powder coating, anodizing, and chrome. The one job shop I talked to said they could have them done by the first week in December so I should know by the second week in December what the total cost will be for a set of tips in various finishes.
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Sweet! Put me down for a set and let us know once you get pricing. Busy is good in this economy. |
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vero beach,fl | count me in please |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | I love the Crosses too.................. |
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what pipes will these work with I have a l1s2 setup |
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Northeast Ohio | Sonic, I think you might be SoL. All of the tips (that I know of) require S1L1. |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Just making sure, I thought I read a post earlier that said they would fit on stock or S1L1. I have stock pipes with gatlin tips. |
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Encino, CA | Please advise when I can buy a set and will they be just very simple bolt on applications?
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | How we coming Travelin Man? Pls PM me pricing and contact info |
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Edmond, OK 2012 Vision, 2012 Cross Country | I need a set for my 2011 VV Pearl White. Who can I contact about getting a set when they come available? |
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Apopka, FL | It's great some of you guys are so creative! I love them and will be on the list also! Thanks. |
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Iron Butt
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| Okay! At LONG last I finally have some prices!
A set of these exhaust tips in a finely machined finish (to get an idea, look at one of the photos I posted, the finish is a reflection of the lighting in my shop!) will be ......... $250.00 per set, verified members of either VMC or Vision-Riders will get a 20% discount off of that price.
The first batch of pre-production prototypes WILL BE DONE by December 17th and I expect to post pictures of a set mounted on my own Vision by then as well.
I still have to get pricing on other finishes and combination of finishes such as having the outer part chromed and the inner bullet anodized or my own personal choice is going to be a clear anodizing of the entire unit, and when I get that pricing I will post it here right away.
I am going to check into what it costs to get a VISA machine and if I can get one fast enough I will be accepting credit cards for orders, otherwise payment will be by PayPal.
After the initial batch of pre-production prototypes I have already set up a production run of 20 complete sets, which if there are no problems with the prototypes (and I do not foresee any problems right now) then the production run will take 2 to 3 weeks plus time for any added finishes.
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Fargo, ND | These are the jet-turbine style tips like in your first couple of posts, correctomundo? If so, they're beautiful and I want some! |
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Iron Butt
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| Yes, they look like this computer representation.
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | <p>Excellent! Pls consider myself "in line" for a set. Any chance that they will have a positive or negative effect on sound or performance. My initial though is "no, just cosmetic" but then again, if it has any effect on the flow of exhausts there may be a change? Anyone want to weigh in on this? Also, if you did a two color (ie chrome / black) is it just the bullet or the bullet and internal partitions that would be black?</p><p> Can't wait for pics<br /></p>
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| I do not believe there will be a sound change, perhaps the exhaust going through multiple smaller openings versus a single larger opening will change the tone but I don't believe it will. You are correct about the finishes, the center bullet which goes all the way into the part where the fins start can be one finish and the rest another, or no finish at all and you can decide how to finish them one you receive them. Like I said, the machining quality is going to be excellent so I am considering doing a simple clear anodizing on my own set simply to protect the machined aluminum from hazing up. You will be able to easily polish them as well if there is no finish and mask off parts you don't want to have a finish on such as the side flutes as well. |
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Simi Valley, CA | Awesome! I will be getting a set. Worth the wait I am sure.
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Fountain Inn, SC United States | Wonder how these would fit with the Thrush mufflers.. |
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Iron Butt
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| Jeff, I do not think they will fit the Thrush mufflers unless you can cut the tab off of the OEM mufflers that the tips are attached to and weld it to the Thrush mufflers. Fabricating a plate and welding it to the thrush mufflers to locate the tips in the proper location. |
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| I'm really starting to get pumped about this! I stopped in at the shop that I jobbed the machining out to (for at least the prototypes and initial production batch) today on my way home from my own shop which is right next door and the owner informed me that the prototypes should be COMPLETED by Monday afternoon! That means pictures of them on a Vision by Tuesday evening! It looks like the first production batch will be for a total of 23 sets and I have 5 of those already spoken for by member of just this board!
I'm also working on a couple of other designs such a a Gatlin style tip with no slash cut as well as a special tool to clean them. It's amazing how fast things can come together when you find the right person/shop to work with! |
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centrel Minnesota | ant way of adapting it to a S1L2 pipes ? |
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East TN | Yep, I'm in line for a set as well...When does the store open?? |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | How do they look on a bike Travelinman? Pics? |
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Visionary
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | Count me in too.
I still have stock pipes but I want to upgrade. What pipes will these fit on? Ness? |
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scotts valley, California | Just to keep things straight, the installed tips in the photo above (with the crosses) are NOT Travelin Man's tips. TM, I recommend that you do post a photo so people know what they are ordering. I apologize for any confusion my photo may have caused. |
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| Okay, here is the scoop. I will have 20 complete sets of tips ready for shipping by Tuesday evening. When I say ready for shipping, I mean ready for shipping, all boxed up and ready to go. I will post pictures Monday evening of the tips as well as a picture of a tip on my Vision.
This first production run will have a finely machined finish only, because of the widely desired combination of finishes I will leave the final finish up to you. Included in the instructions will by a listing of companies that do either chrome plating (including black chrome), powder coating, or anodizing, I have worked with at least two of these companies in the past I know they do excellent work.
The biggest news is that I have started a new company so as to keep this business of custom parts separate from my original business of manufacturing industrial carbide tipped cutting tools. The new company is named:
Mr. Wizard's Billet Creations
All payments for the current run of tips will be accepted through me personally but by the first of the year I will have set up a PayPal account and separate accounting for the new company.
This company is also already on facebook at MrWizards BilletCreations and here is the link: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/profile.php?id=100001563987908 |
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| Guys, I have to eat a little crow here, I know I said that everything would be ready to ship by today, unfortunately there were some machine problems over the weekend and the first main base was only finished just before lunch today. I picked it up and took the following pictures.......... enjoy, and I will post again when things really are ready to ship! Rich
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| BTW, the pictures above are of my own set, I didn't want the flutes on the outside, I'm going smooth. |
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Allen Park, MI | Sweet.... |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Nice. Got pictures on a bike? Like to also see one with flutes. How much heat will these tips see? Thinking natural with clear coat and black center. How fine is the finish? |
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| Mark, funny should ask about the pictures of them on the bike, they are below! Sorry about the side shot, the best way I know of taking pictures for upload is to take them with my phone and send them to my email letting the phone resize the photos to a size that is able to be uploaded. The finish is extremely fine, for those wishing to get them chromed the prechroming polishing will go very quickly. If you want to get the center bullet done in black or any other color I would recommend getting them anodized rather than powder coated but that would be for durability of the finish rather than due to problems related to heat. Now that I've seen one on my Vision I've changed my mind and I'm going to get them done in chrome with the bullet done in black chrome.
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| BTW, while taking off the stock tip I noticed how badly my heat shields are out of place, are they adjustable or should I cut the stock straps and replace them with stainless steel hose clamps? |
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| here is the bad side shot:
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | What is your best guess on cost to chrome & black chrome bullet? Looks great! |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | How's sound? Any different? Does this design allow more / less / same volume of exhaust? |
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| The tips allow the same if not more flow than the stock tips, the only real difference is that the direction of the flow is diverted to go through the multiple openings. I started my Vision briefly in the garage (hey, I want to live to enjoy them!) and the sound did not sound any different from the stock tips. |
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| I should have the fluted one tomorrow and when I get one I'll take pictures of it and post it here as well |
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | Have you thought about asking the people on the post that have committed to buying how many want chrome/blk chrome and maybe doing a bulk chroming? I think that combo sounds great and want it too. |
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| Darrell, that is a good idea and I'll put up a new ordering thread (once I get the administrator's approval first) so that people can give me definite choices and I'll have choices posted. I just sent the first sample complete tip to one of the platers that I know do great work so as to get a quote on chrome, black chrome, and powder coating in limited quantities. Tomorrow I'm sending a second complete tip to an anodizing company in Indiana that I have used in the past for hard anodizing of my cutting tool bodies and with which I have been extremely satisfied. I expect to have prices early next week and then I'll leave it up to you guys to decide if you want the machined tip sets (which I'll be able to ship to you right away) or wait to get them from chroming and or anodizing. |
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Simi Valley, CA | I want chrome chrome! And I want it now....  |
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Memphis | Gee, you guys have only gotten 11,000 hits on this thread. I hope you can somehow unload the first 20 sets! |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | That 11,000 is most likely 30 of us checking a buzillion times each! |
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Salinas, Ca. | I think your exactly right, lol....  |
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East TN | I want CHROME TOO!!!!! But I can wait a while!!! Like tomorrow!! |
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | Is there anyway to extend them out a little so the main exhaust area is flush with the back of the bike and the center cone goes beyond? |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Can't wait to see how the fluted ones turned out. Now if we can only rig them up to shoot fire out the back when we blast off! |
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Memphis | I'm trying to figure out how to recess red LEDs into the flutes.  |
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Simi Valley, CA | SongFan - 2010-12-17 1:58 PM
I'm trying to figure out how to recess red LEDs into the flutes.?
Dude..... you do it and I am so there.... |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | How hot does the exhaust get back there? I have mine put away for the winter . . . anyone have a clue? |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | It CAN be done!Now does anyone have any "melt proof" wire and LEDs???<br />
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Ok . . . here we go with the real deal!
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REXBURG IDAHO | great look i would be in for a pair. |
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| Here are pictures I just took of a tip with the flutes mounted on my vision, the flutes are not quite as the original drawing looked like as it proved to be cost prohibitive in production time. If someone really has to have them with the cylindrical style flutes it can be had but will cost approximately $100 more per set:
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| I am ready to begin shipping these on Monday for those of you that want a bare machined finish so you can do your own thing with the final finish.
The price is $250.00 per complete set with all necessary components, minus a 20% Victory Preferred Discount for confirmed members of Victory Rider's and Victory Motorcycle Club boards meaning cost is $200.00 plus insured shipping via UPS
Please email contact and shipping information to:
MrWizardsBilletCreations@comcast.net
Once I receive an email I will contact you regarding shipping costs and arrange a payment method via either personal check (5 day wait on check clearance), money order, or instant payment through PayPal.
I currently will only be accepting orders through email. If you have any question you can call me at 815-953-7706 Monday through Friday between 7 am and 5 pm .
I thank you all for you encouragement and support during this long development process. |
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| Also, I delivered the first set today to Bluto (hey, he designed them!) and I have taken an order from a Northern Illinois Victory dealer.
All told I have a total of 22 sets produced, minus 1 set to Bluto and 1 set to the dealer leaving 20 sets available for purchase, 2 sets with smooth sides as shown in the first pictures and 18 sets with fluted sides. |
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| They are bad ass I hope to order a set in the VERY near future. They do bolt right up to the stock exhaust correct ? |
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Memphis | My order's placed. Chrome with black cones. HO HO HO! |
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NW Illinois | Can I guess what Dealer out of maybe Union Il
No longer Huntley
The fluted ones are awsome
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Memphis | He hasn't come out with chrome/anodizing prices yet. I just ordered to reserve a set for whenever they get all options available. |
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scotts valley, California | Michael, what are you the Lead Designer of. I really enjoy your humor and art work.
Everyone, please forgive me for side stepping the forum thread; it just looked like it needed the activity! (post #11,041 on this thread) |
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Memphis | Blue Sky Guy - 2010-12-18 5:19 PM Michael, what are you the Lead Designer of. I'm not Michael. That signature is props to the design/engineering team that produced the '08 Vision. Mike Song was the Lead Designer of the Vision (thus my handle here on the Forum). I'm Tom. Happens all the time. |
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scotts valley, California | Hi, Tom. Nice to meet you. Now that I understand, I guess we are all Song Fans. |
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Allen Park, MI | Blue Sky Guy - 2010-12-18 8:00 PM
Hi, Tom. Nice to meet you. Now that I understand, I guess we are all Song Fans.
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Tri Cities, WA | I have red led lights in my fluted exhaust tips since 08. They have worked well and not a problem to be had. Trick is shrink wrap the wire and electrical tape it up and then use some apoxy to help the leds stay in there for good. Mine are red. See attched pic.
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Memphis | Wow Chuck, Nice! |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | sgiacci - 2010-12-19 8:57 PM warp drive is supposed to be blue +1
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| For those of you who have ordered Chrome with Black Chrome Bullets here is a sample picture one of the chrome plating companies sent me as a view of their "black chrome". They call it Black Titanium as the process involves plating a layer of titanium nitride over a chromed part. This plating company (The Chrome Shop Inc., A Division of Berge Plating Works, Inc.) has informed that this version of black chrome plating ends up being much more durable than just plain chrome but it is also about double the cost, luckily the bullet is a simple part to polish and chrome and thus the cost should be to outrageous.
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Me likey |
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The Great Northwet | Travelin Man....ordered a set with flutes via email to your new website. Let me know the total and the money will be sent to paypal.....this is gonna make the bike look even better... |
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East TN | What new web site???? Link anyone??? Yes me likey too!!! E-mail sent with a purchase request!! |
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| Joe, no website yet, just email and as of 30 minutes ago (the last time I checked the email) I haven't received your order.
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Glad I got my set ordered !! I wonder what it would look like if I stripped all of my chrome off the bike and went to Black Titanium Chrome??? |
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | If you find out how much that costs, let me know. I've been thinking along the same lines. |
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The Great Northwet | Thanks for your work on this and your customer service. |
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| Mark, The Chrome Shop is only a few hours from me, perhaps after the new year I can take a couple of my factory accessory chrome parts off the bike and have them give me a quote on doing them in the Black Titanium and then let you know so you can shop around.
I am hoping to hear back from them before Christmas but I'm not counting on it because surprise, surprise, even with this bad economy all the custom chrome shops I have talked to are extremely busy trying to get parts our for people's Christmas presents.
BTW, the two other companies I am having quotes done by are Chrome Masters and Advanced Plating, both in Nashville, TN. |
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Northeast Ohio | Got them today, Travelin Man. They look AWESOME! They will be going off to the chrome shop this week. |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Do post pics ScoreBo! |
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Northeast Ohio | As soon I get them back I will.
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Richmond, Virginia | TravelinMan, please check your site email bud! |
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| Mac, just checked my email and there wasn't anything there yet from you, are you sure you sent it to mrwizardsbilletcreations@comcast.net? |
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| For those that have either received their orders or whose orders are in transit there are two important things that I forgot to put in the boxes with the tips; 1, instructions and 2, the screw to plug the extra hole.
The instructions are simple enough as the mounting is the same as the stock tips but it is the joining of the center bullet with the base that requires a little bit of instruction. You will find (2) 3/8"-16NC x 1 1.2" long studs in a plastic bag included, these are for joining the bullets with the bases and have blue Loctite thread locking tape already applied. Start by threading stud into the base by one or two threads then start threading the bullet onto the stud. You will find after a few turns that the bullet will turn harder as the thread locking tape starts to grab, it is at this point that you will want to use a rubber plumbing type of strap wrench to finish tightening the bullet until it makes contact with the base. I highly recommend installing the bullet prior to installing the base on the muffler as it is easier than you think to bend the factory mounting flange.
The screw that I forgot to include is a 6mm x 10 mm button head allen head screw, the purpose of this screw is simply to seal off the fourth hole in the tip base that is only used for those with either a Cross Country or a Cross Roads. The screw will have blue Loctite tape applied and needs to be installed from the inside of the base.
I apologize for this oversight and will correct it on Monday.
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Richmond, Virginia | Got your replys, thanks, I had one other question that i sent back, after that i am ready to order. This will be my xmas gift to me !
Thanks for such a cool product.
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The Great Northwet | No worries Rich...you're only running 2 or more businesses....not to mention dealing with all of us "new-parts-crazed" types! Thanks for taking care of us. |
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The Great Northwet | Just got mine Rich....fantastic workmanship on this product...Thanks. |
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Simi Valley, CA | Any word on the price of chrome?
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| Tim, still waiting from the two plating companies in Tennessee I have sent samples to respond, but yesterday I drove down to The Chrome Shop in Rock Island, Illinois (about 3 1/2 hours from my house) and spoke with the owner to get a true idea of what their version of black chrome looks like. Let me tell you here and now, it is the darkest and most shiny black chrome I have ever seen, not at all looking like smoked chrome it is truly black and the picture I posted earlier doesn't do it justice. I believe that those who want the black chrome for the center bullet, which happens to be just about everyone, will be extremely happy with the results. |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Yeah! |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Any updates on chrome pricing? |
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| Well, I yesterday heard from ChromeMasters in Nashville and they are recommending to NOT chrome the base due to the ports for the exhaust gases not getting a proper layer of chrome. I have heard a similar comment from Berge Plating (The Chrome Shop) but they also stated that both the copper and nickel would have no problem with proper application and the thinning of the chrome in the ports would not affect if the chrome would peal or not peal, Doug (The Chrome Shop) also stated that if the Black Titanium Nitrade coating was applied that would further protect the finish as it is an extremely durable finish. Both plating shops that have responded have said that the center bullet of course would not be any problem to plate in chrome, and Darrel at ChromeMasters (they DO NOT DO black chrome or titanium) suggested that perhaps the best and most durable finish for the base would be a fine polish to the aluminum followed by a clear anodizing which would still have shine to it but not as much as straight chrome, as with any polished part not being as shiny as a plated part. I have yet to hear back from Advanced Plating in Nashville but I have a feeling they might say the same thing, the difference being that Berge Plating has said they will stand behind their work no matter what and ChromeMasters said that they would not be able guarantee their work due to the design of the part. I think I will be calling Doug at Berge Plating today and shipping him the majority of the parts because 1) he guarantees his work on chrome plating the parts and 2) he offers the durable black titanium finish that most are asking for. Personally I am now considering doing the entire tip in black titanium as it would have a nice contrast to the chrome heat shields AND still be shiny. Of course since the center bullet is an easy item to plate you can always do the inverse and do the bullet in chrome but then you need to wipe it down after every ride.
And the saga continues............
On a good note though, I was told by both plating outfits that if the design would be a normal tip with a large opening then there would be no problem in plating them, of course I responded that the Vision is no normal motorcycle........... but I understand the science behind the problems with plating the openings in the tip as designed and if you want to find out what that is please feel free to call me at 815-953-7706 and I'll explain it. |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | So it sounds as if they are concerned in not getting a totally even layer of chrome deep into the internal vents/chambers and that there is no real possibility of peeling it also sounds like the black titanium will only help the situation.
If this is the case, I'm good with 100% black titanium. How much will total units be shipped to Spirit Lake, IA. I'll drive by the Victory plant with them and let them drool. Who knows, maybe they will add them as a factory option! |
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| Solid black tips may look good. Rinehart has been using them for quite some time.
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Simi Valley, CA | I want mine chromed.... hummmmmmm |
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Northeast Ohio | Travelin Man - 2010-12-23 9:25 PM
For those that have either received their orders or whose orders are in transit there are two important things that I forgot to put in the boxes with the tips; 1, instructions and 2, the screw to plug the extra hole.
The instructions are simple enough as the mounting is the same as the stock tips but it is the joining of the center bullet with the base that requires a little bit of instruction. You will find (2) 3/8"-16NC x 1 1.2" long studs in a plastic bag included, these are for joining the bullets with the bases and have blue Loctite thread locking tape already applied. Start by threading stud into the base by one or two threads then start threading the bullet onto the stud. You will find after a few turns that the bullet will turn harder as the thread locking tape starts to grab, it is at this point that you will want to use a rubber plumbing type of strap wrench to finish tightening the bullet until it makes contact with the base. I highly recommend installing the bullet prior to installing the base on the muffler as it is easier than you think to bend the factory mounting flange.
The screw that I forgot to include is a 6mm x 10 mm button head allen head screw, the purpose of this screw is simply to seal off the fourth hole in the tip base that is only used for those with either a Cross Country or a Cross Roads. The screw will have blue Loctite tape applied and needs to be installed from the inside of the base.
I apologize for this oversight and will correct it on Monday.
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Mr. Wizard
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Simi Valley, CA | ScoreBo - 2010-12-23 1:23 PM
As soon I get them back I will.
Get yours chromed yet? |
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| John, I'll ship you your two screws tomorrow, it completely slipped my mind!
I have prices back from ChromMasters in Nashville, TN. They are the outfit that won't consider chrome plating the tip base but will do the center bullet for $15.00 each, so a total of $30.00 per set of center bullets plus shipping for straight chrome. Doug at The Chrome Shop called me today and said he will have prices tomorrow for both the base and bullet done in chrome or black titanium. I still haven't heard a peep from Advanced Plating in Nashville, so I shot them off another email today. Figuring that prices should be somewhat similar from each company and the fact that Doug at The Chrome Shop told me that black titanium costs about double what straight chrome does I would figure that the bullets done in black titanium will run about $60.00 per set. Knowing that, now I am guessing, only guessing, that the bases will probably cost around $70.00 a set to chrome and about $140.00 a set in black titanium. All this means that a full set of tips with bullets should be around $200.00 for that finish, meaning a set at machined tips at $250.00 minus the board discount of $50.00 (20%) plus the cost of plating and black titanium ends up with a total cost of around $400.00 for black titanium and $300 for straight chrome, plus shipping charges. |
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| rikrok - 2011-01-07 1:55 PM Solid black tips may look good. Rinehart has been using them for quite some time. Funny that you show the Rinehart picture, I just got a set of those tips from a buddy and am planning on coming up with a design to replace the stock Rinehart tips with something custom. I have confirmed that I will be having a booth at Northern Illinois Biker Jam this June which is held at Kegal's Harley-Davidson in Rockford, IL. I have high hope for this show because this year the regional HOG rally is being held in Rockford on that same weekend and Kegal's is expecting over 10,000 people to be flowing through it's grounds the entire weekend. Although I've always stated that I want to keep this new business smaller, I have a gut feeling that demand for semi custom, small batch production parts is going to force me into growing it faster than I wanted to.
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East TN | Can you post pictures of the chrome base and black titanium centers???? When will you get into prodcution on the chrome??? Not that I'm inpatient or anything....I just want them YESTERDAY!! (j/k) |
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Northeast Ohio | Cometman - 2011-01-10 2:04 PM
ScoreBo - 2010-12-23 1:23 PM
As soon I get them back I will.
Get yours chromed yet?
Christmas break and pet health issues kept me away from him. I hope to get them out later this week or early next week. I am not in a hurry as the snow has me down and out. |
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New Orleans, La, | Thumbs up on the design and the skills of the machinist,but I have one concern you may be able to resolve. Since the terminal opening of an exhaust influences the actual sound of said exhaust can we possibly get a sound byte of these tips? I am very interested in a purchase dependent on the sound. Thanx. |
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| Al, I'll try to get a video with sound done up this weekend.
Another update on chrome and black chrome. I talked to the owner of Advanced Plating in Nashville, TN today to discuss my concern about them not responding to quote request with a supplied sample. Well, the end result is definitely going to make some people happy here because his prices for chrome and black chrome are even lower than those quoted by ChromeMaster and The Chrome Shop. I told me that the base will cost $20 each to chrome and $30 for black chrome, the center bullet will be $8 for chrome and $12 for black chrome, meaning an entire set will cost only $84 to get done in black chrome, or $64 for a complete set with the base done in chrome and the bullet in black chrome. This makes the total cost for a set of tips $250 minus board discount of $50 (20%) plus either $64 or $84 for finishing meaning total cost of either $264 or $284 plus actual shipping costs. This is more in line with what I first thought of when I started this project, I wanted to offer a tip that would meet or beat the price Victory sells the Gatlin tips for. |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | SOOOOO, these guys will or will not guarantee the quality of plain chrome? Cosmetic issues or peeling issues? Is the black chrome the same deep dark chrome that you mentioned before? What is their turnaround time? I assume they will want to process a batch of these at the same time. Getting closer and I'm getting excited! |
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Simi Valley, CA | Get a set chromed and post a photo! My check will be in the mail! |
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| Mark, I'm sorry, I knew I forgot to mention something, Steve, the owner of Advanced Plating told me he didn't understand why ChromeMaster wouldn't guarantee their work but he stated unequivocally that he stands behind the work he does and specifically mentioned the peeling issue with regards to this.
His version is called Nickel Black and he went into depth about the process, from what he told me after the strike of copper, then buffing, then a strike of nickel, then buffing, then a strike of chrome, buff and rinse, then a strike of the black nickel which leads to what he sent me a photo of which is truly jet black in color.
I sent Steve at Advanced Plating an additional complete tip so that he can do a complete set in chrome base/black chrome bullet so that I can make a comparison of the work from Doug at The Chrome Shop. Once I have a complete set from both plating companies I am going to take pictures of them side by side, post the pictures and let you guys see for yourselves. |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | AWESOME!! How you commin' on that afterburner kit?? J/K!! Seriously, thanks for all the hard work you are putting into this!! |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Damn, over 15,000 hits and 8 pages to this post . . . we are some high maintenance folks! |
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Pittsburgh, PA | I do not on any tips and I'm still not sure which set I want to spent the money on. I would like to see a set of chrome with the black centers. I have been watching this string but have not posted until now. I thank you for al the hours you have put into this project. Still waiting for the final photos and/or video. Very nice work. |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | See what they would charge to black chrome the exhaust heat shields to match the tips. |
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Simi Valley, CA | I can't wait to see them chromed! Thanks for your hard work on these!! |
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| Mark, for something like that you will have to talk to them yourself.
Ask for Steve, he is the owner:
Advanced Plating
1425 Cowan Court
Nashville, TN 37207-5628
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Thx for info! |
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The Great Northwet | V92SC - 2011-01-11 1:08 PM
Thumbs up on the design and the skills of the machinist,but I have one concern you may be able to resolve. Since the terminal opening of an exhaust influences the actual sound of said exhaust can we possibly get a sound byte of these tips? I am very interested in a purchase dependent on the sound. Thanx.
I don't have a way to do the sound justice on a recording. Just took Viki III out for a quick ride and am very impressed with the sound. It's deeper but not throatier...so more bass in the sound. I noticed no difference what so ever in power or popping. I'm running S1L1 mufflers, Lloydz cams, controller, and intake plate. |
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| Gayle, thanks for the input, any pictures you could post would be greatly appreciated!
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The Great Northwet | Haven't done anything with the finish yet....here's a couple of pics
Can't seem to get the pics to take so here's a link to the pics on the VMC
http://forums.thevmc.com/bb/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=100984&posts...
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| Gayle, thanks for the pictures! Here they are for everyone here to see!
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| Gayle, by the way, are those the stock muffler heat shields remounted with hose clamps? My heat shield have seemed to move on the stock mufflers and I would like to take them off and repositions them. |
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New Bohemia, Va | Sorry to butt in, but yes those look to be hose clamps. I recently replaced my mufflers and had to cut the old straps off and replace with the hose clamps. Works very nice by the way. Also, I understand the later models came out with the clamps verses the straps, but I don't know personally.
By the way, that is a cool looking exhaust tip. Great job T-Man!
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Simi Valley, CA | Looks great |
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| Here's a peek at the one set I got back from The Chrome Shop in Rock Island, IL. I'm impressed with the quality of the chrome where I told them it matters, I also told them that the inside fin area and the backside didn't matter so they didn't get polished or chromed, only copper and then nickel to seal the aluminum. I should have one set back from Advanced Plating in Nashville, TN on Friday and that set is done in what they call Jet Black Nickel.
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Allen Park, MI | Very nice.... |
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Simi Valley, CA | Wow..... time to order them Thanks |
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East TN | OMG!!! Those is AWESOME!!!! I need to place my order NOW!!!! |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Kinda cool how the bullet reflects the lines of the inside fins. Can't wait to see black chrome. |
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| Here is a look at the first set of Jet Black Nickel tips. I cleaned them off prior to taking the pictures but I the windex left streaks due to them being cold from just being brought in from the UPS truck.
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Sturbridge, Mass | Travelin Man - 2011-01-20 7:41 AM
Here's a peek at the one set I got back from The Chrome Shop in Rock Island, IL. I'm impressed with the quality of the chrome where I told them it matters, I also told them that the inside fin area and the backside didn't matter so they didn't get polished or chromed, only copper and then nickel to seal the aluminum. I should have one set back from Advanced Plating in Nashville, TN on Friday and that set is done in what they call Jet Black Nickel.
Can you take a picture of these looking into straight into them ?
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Now I'm torn. They are almost soooo dark that you loose some of the cool detail in the machining. From the picture they almost look high gloss painted vs being chromed. Do you get alot more of the reflection/"chominess" in person vs. the digital image? Might be too much contrast to the silver chromed muffler shields.
Now chrome with black chrome bullet may be the ticket. Anyway you can screw off the chrome bullet on your bike and replace it with black and snap a pic? |
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Memphis | I ordered the black ones sight unseen and Travelin Man has shipped me the set shown above. When I get them I'll document the install, show one side mounted compared the the Gatling Tip on the other side, and try to record any sound differences between the two. I have S1/L1 exhaust. I know we are excited about this project and Travelin Man and Bluto have done a great job getting it done. You can tell T-Man is pumped-up when he is taking pictures right out of the box and they haven't even reached room temperature yet! Stand by for news. |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | You are sooo right Songfan! I am stoked and these guys have done an outstanding job bringing these to life and in putting up with us impatient end users! Now has anyone figured out if they can use these bad boys with the Thrush exhaust mod??
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| Mark, two things; first, while the color of the jet black nickel is black, it also has different hues when in different light. I took me a few different tries with different lighting and backgrounds to get the black to really come out. Second, to use these with the thrush exhaust mod you would have to fabricate an adapter that would replicate the mounting bracket on either the Vision exhaust or the Cross bikes exhaust and if it would be me doing it I would definitely replicate the bracket from the Cross bikes as that bracket provides a full 180 degrees of support for the tip. Anyone good at fabricating sheet metal ought to have an easy time of it, and time is simply what it will take. |
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Simi Valley, CA | Are they in yet? Are they in yet? Are they in yet? |
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| Tim, I only received the first two sets I sent out to check on quality of plating. Now that I have seen the quality and am satisfied I sent out the majority of the tips out for plating and in general the turn around time will be between 3 to 4 weeks to get them back then process and box them for shipping out to all of you that have been patiently waiting. Here is the breakdown of how I am having the first production run plated.
15 sets of bases, 12 sets plated in straight chrome, 3 sets plated in jet black nickel
20 sets of center bullets, 15 sets plated in jet black nickel, 5 sets plated in straight chrome
I have also begun machining a prototype tip of a different style that will be primarily for the owners of Cross bikes but will also fit the Vision. I'll post a picture when I get that prototype set done with the machining. |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Interchangeable tips. Nice! I have decided I want normal chrome base with black chime bullet. Thanks |
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Memphis | The UPS guy showed up with the black tips 5 minutes before I walked out the door to come to work tonight. They were shrink-wrapped to cardboard backing and the box was loaded with styro-peanuts. Everything looks flawless. I took out one base and one cone and set them on the kitchen table in the sunlight. They are exactly how I envisioned. The photo shown above is too black. Those look almost painted. There is a lot more detail in the machining apparent when you see the real thing. The actual color is a gunmetal super dark silver/black. Like T-Man explained in the post above, they look different in different lighting. They don't look anodized, you can tell that they put a real thin layer of black over chrome. It will be impossible to get the nuances of different hues in a photo. I won't get to mess with these until tomorrow morning so if anyone has any requests on what they'd like to see before I get them installed, reply here tonight. Woo Hoo! Thanks T-Man! |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Would love to see a variety of pics in different lighting. The pics above scared me off as I thought they were too dark. My concern is if there is too much contrast from muffler heat shields to tips. I want it to look like an integrated unit I love the concept of the black chrome. Maybe I need to see them in real life to appreciate |
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Memphis | Hey Mark, I thought the same thing about them looking too black in the photo above. I just had faith that the real thing would look like I hoped. If you have ever seen black chrome in person, it is stunning. I have a Midnight Cherry bike and thought that the all-black tips would stand out too much but when I looked at my bike, there is lots of black. The trunk edges/speaker grills, seat, backrests, floorboards and grips. One of the cool effects lost in the black photo compared to the chrome photos is the reflection on the chrome bullets. The turbine fins look very cool reflected on the chrome bullets and disappear in the black photo above. In real life sunlight, the black ones show that reflection. I picked the all-black tips because that one feature will break my bike out of the pack from a long way off (plus I won't be as anal about soot). Any color/finish combination of these tips will be awesome. |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | I'm convinced. All black chrome for me. T-Man and SongFan, thanks for describing . . . pictures cant do these justice |
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seattle, wa | They look great.
Put them on a blacked out exhaust and it would look incredible.
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Photoshopped version with black chrome:
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Memphis | I literally posted those pics and ran out the door to come to work. I have a couple of short videos with the bike running and a Gatling Tip on the left side and turbine on the right. The exhaust definitely sounds more "focused" coming out of the turbine. Has a little more "brraapp" to it when goosing the throttle. It doesn't sound restricted at all, just different. With both tubines on you can definitely feel more flow coming from the right side because they more focused. You can feel that difference with other exhaust tips but not as much. You guys that love the wide open deep tone of the Thrush mufflers may lose a little of that with these tips. I'm not saying you won't like it, it will just be slightly different. I'm being pretty nitpickey but just trying to play devil's advocate so there are no surprises. I'll post the videos when I get home tonight. I love these things. Made me sick to get fingerprints on them. Everything bolted up perfectly. The pure chrome ones will match the chrome exhaust shields better but I went this route for the same reason I bought the Vision. To be different. The photos show every little speck of dust from the microfiber towel I used. I couldn't even see that stuff when I took the picture. Hopefully you guys can get a better feel for how "chromey" they look compared to the black pictures. 
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seattle, wa | Thanks Man314.
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| Hey Tommy, thanks for the review and posting the pictures!
One thing though, the button head screw that fills the fourth hole needs to be installed from the INSIDE of the exhaust tip otherwise it will keep your chrome muffler heat shield out from contacting the tip.
They look fantastic on your bike, I can't wait go get the rest of the production run back from plating so I can fill the orders I have. I have begun a batch of extra bullets so that I will be able to satisfy demand for the different combinations of bases and bullets. |
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Memphis | Hey Richard, I knew you'd catch that photo. I was just pre-tapping the holes with my other bolts and decided to throw the buttonhead on there to show the 4th hole. They are on the inside. I was in such a hurry to get something posted that I didn't notice the screw in that pic until too late. I really like the sound of the exhaust at freeway speeds. It's really subtle (and might just be my imagination because I like the tips so much) compared to the Gatlin Tips but it just sounds more "focused". Really hard to describe. It's like sitting next to two engines of the same exact size but one has higher compression pistons. The higher compression motor has more of a pop to it while the stock compression is mellower. These tips add a little bite to the exhaust note and are not quite as mellow. You can definitely feel the focused exhaust gasses coming out stronger compared to the Gatlins. Thanks again for giving me the first shot. I wouldn't change a thing! |
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Memphis | TUNED! That's the word I've been hunting for. Stock exhaust sounds restrictive. The other exhaust mods/tips sound open and throaty, the turbines make them sound tuned. Not restrictive but also not the wide open, rolling bass that a lot of guys are looking for. |
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Memphis | Shot with a Canon digital point-and-shoot. Nothing fancy, just for comparison. The real exhaust sounds a lot deeper of course. |
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LaPorte,Tx. | I'll bet they sound sweet at 5000 rpm. |
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| Tommy, they look fantastic on your bike and thanks for posting the video for the sound comparison!
If you don't mind and it's not too much trouble could you email me the full size pictures you took so that I can use them on my forthcoming website and brochures?
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Simi Valley, CA | Great video.... thanks! Damn I can't wait! |
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Memphis | My artsy shot: 
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New Bohemia, Va | Sounds great! Not trying to be critical, but the left sounds different even with the same tips on both sides, I'm just saying. With that, I've got my penny jar back in business as I would like to have those tips. |
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Memphis | NautilusRyder, You are correct about the two sides sounding different with the same tips. If I had video'd the exhaust with both Turbines installed you would have noticed that the left Turbine would have more pop to it than the left Gatlin. Tip for tip, the Turbines have more pop. |
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Simi Valley, CA | Stop already! I need these on the Enterprise now! |
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Meadow, Texas | Cometman,
Just went to your site and saw the "Enterprise" - WOW, what a head-turner. Great looking bike all around.
If anyone hasn't seen this, they should click on your website. You have done it right.
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Memphis | Cometman - Stop already! I need these on the Enterprise now! HA! I knew I was torturing you guys that are waiting but I also know you want every morsel of info you can get on these things. VisionTex - I'll bet they sound sweet at 5000 rpm. They do not suck. My birthday is in May and I'm going to blow out the candles with the exhaust from the Vision. (I got the idea from the Victory Anniversary video where they blew the cake away with the sweeper exhaust.) These Turbine tips really focus the exhaust gases and I'm guessing I could blow out candles from about 10 feet away. I might have to put together a demo just for fun. I e-mailed T-Man and told him I went riding for about 5 hours yesterday and never turned on the radio. Except for the rev-extender, I think I'm finally done with upgrades on my bike. Whew! |
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Simi Valley, CA | LarryinMD - 2011-01-30 3:17 AM
Cometman,
Just went to your site and saw the "Enterprise" - WOW, what a head-turner. Great looking bike all around.
If anyone hasn't seen this, they should click on your website. You have done it right.
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| Right now my marketing strategy is simply to use the internet and then during the summer I will be traveling on weekends to regional motorcycle events where they have vendors and having a booth at those events. I am not keeping strictly to either exhaust tips, motorcycles in general or even Victorys in particular but rather I will slowly build up a product line of many different parts for all kinds of different applications. I will have a website up and running by spring and will be displaying products such as exhaust tips for different exhaust systems (V&H, Rinehart, and others), shift levers for muscle car transmissions and jockey shift lever systems for custom motorcycles, as well as any other custom made billet components I am asked to make. I am right now having my other company's attorney looking into incorporation and my cpa is looking into possible stimulus act small business grants so that I can purchase more equipment and machines and possibly put a few people to work in my area (what the stimulus was created for in the first place!).
DIDN'T I ORIGINALLY SAY I WANTED TO KEEP THIS SMALL???? Oh well! |
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East TN | When can we order a set of CHROME tips??? I am going through withdrawals here!!!!! |
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| When can we order a set of chrome tips?
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Brighton, TN | Surely the Travelin' Man is compensating the write up and picture take'er above. I'm just thinkin' out loud through my fingers. I too would love a set, but I think there may be a set of gatlin tips on the cheap, local. May have to keep my ears and eyes on the lookout.
Songfan, now just put some oscillating red and yellow LED's in the exhaust tip and wa la afterburners. Or if you really looking for the old school look, drop and igniter in the exhaust tip and light up the exhaust gases.
OOOHHHHH, AAAHHHHHHH!!!
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Memphis | Hey Po, T-Man owes me nothing. It was an honor to get the first black ones. There is a set of Gatlins aged with a fine patina that may be available. Of course, your version of cheap and my version are probably different. |
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New Orleans, La, | Songfan; great pics, great video, thanx but you are so wrong for doing that. Now I'm trying to figure how to rob Peter to pay T'Man. |
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Memphis | Glad you guys are enjoying the pics and video. Here are some nice pointers courtesy of The Chrome Shop in Rock Island, Il: Care Guide for your new chrome plated parts:
Chrome Use a good non-abrasive chrome polish. Keep your parts clean, deterioration begins with dirty parts.
Black Chrome With a soft cloth or tissue use a non-abrasive liquid wax or use oil such as baby oil or WD-40.
Gold It is recommended that gold plated parts be coated with a clear powder coating to protect their finish. However, if you do not wish to coat your parts we suggest cleaning your parts with a soft tissue and Windex. Do not rub excessively, gold is very delicate and excessive cleaning can cause discoloration.
Powder Coated Parts Clean with mild soap and water. Do not use abrasives, cleaners or polishes since they can dull the gloss finish.
Care of you polished only parts Polish your polished only parts often, using a polish such as Semichrome or Wenol. |
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Brighton, TN | I know he don't owe you anything, I'm just thinking out loud with my fingers again, with his next fancy doo dad, shiny object, you might be inclined again to take the plunge, all in the sake of testing, that's all. Your probably right, my version of lightly used, finely patina'ed, tips, might be more expensive than i thought. I always liked those, just couldn't figure out how to get it in the penny pig. Now that these have come along, I might have to squeeze the pig. |
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| Brian, funny you should mention the "next fancy doodad"! A couple of years ago when I first bought my Vision I realized that with the odd shaped handlebars would make adding something as simple as a cup holder a real challenge! My solution was to purchase the Victory Ram Ball handlebar clamp adapter, modify it so that it would replicate the Kruzer Caddy mount AND still look good when no cup holder was needed. The victory accessory part can be found at: http://www.purepolaris.com/en-us/Victory/Pages/Detail.aspx?ItemID=2... Oh, and by the way, the threaded holes are 3/8-16NC so that is the thread size you need to order for the RAM ball that mounts on it, NOT the 10mm thread pitch that is found in the Victory accessory catalog. Here are a couple of pictures of what it looks like modified to my particular specs:
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| That part is $25 from Victory and I am seeing if I can get a bulk discount by buying 20 or 30 of them at once. I can modify it, remove the ugly powder coating and have it plated for a fair price (including the modified and polished SS screw) so that others with the same handlebars can have a good looking cup holder as well! |
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Sturbridge, Mass | pollolittle - 2011-02-01 9:09 AM
Songfan, now just put some oscillating red and yellow LED's in the exhaust tip and wa la afterburners. Or if you really looking for the old school look, drop and igniter in the exhaust tip and light up the exhaust gases.
OOOHHHHH, AAAHHHHHHH!!!
OK, somebody needs to figure out how to do this !!
Do we know when we will be able to order these ?
I am thinking the chrome ones will go best on the Ice Blue 09's ?
These look sharp !! |
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Allen Park, MI | Travelin Man - 2011-02-01 7:45 PM
That part is $25 from Victory and I am seeing if I can get a bulk discount by buying 20 or 30 of them at once. I can modify it, remove the ugly powder coating and have it plated for a fair price (including the modified and polished SS screw) so that others with the same handlebars can have a good looking cup holder as well!
Count me in.... |
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | How low does that make the cup sit? I noticed the Kruzer Caddy Vision Mount puts the pivot point above the bars. Does this make a difference?
Back on subject, have you come up with the longer muffler tip design yet? I would love to see one where the center bullet extends past the end and the exhaust ports are flush with the end. |
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| Darrell,
This mount replaces the stock lower clamp on either the clutch or front brake master cylinder. The way I have machined the mount the cup cannot swivel and is fixed in an upright manner. I'll post some pictures when I finally get back out to the garage and put it on my Vision, right now I'm still trying to get my house and my factory (11 miles away) dug out from over 24 inches of snow, you've probably heard about this snow problem on the news the past few days! |
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milwaukee wisconsin | those are very nice looking but look very restrictive also !! |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Well, I just sent a request for quote to Advanced Plating to see about getting some of my other components plated in the Nickel Black Chrome. I have a black bike and I think the Black Chrome would look awesome in mare quantities than just the exhaust tips. Damnit Travlin Man, look what you started. |
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Richmond, Virginia | Still waiting for a photo of a chrome set with black bullets. then i can make my decision |
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Simi Valley, CA | Waiting somewhat patiently..... Are they in yet? |
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| Guys, it's still going to be a week or two I suppose, perhaps someone here can use photoshop and combine the pictures I took of the chrome tips with the pictures Songfan posted of the black nickel tips? |
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| Jerry, believe me, they only look more restrictive, the volume they flow is still greater than the stock tips and the total area of the openings is greater than the muffler opening on any of the exhaust mufflers where you can still mount the stock or Gatlin tips. The resonance of the exhaust tone is changed somewhat but I feel it is more towards the performance end. |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Got a quote from Advanced Plating for black nickel a variety of parts. Think he thought I wanted to custom make them vs. just plate them! ~$5400 for all I wanted to do. Here is the breakdown:
Mr. Niccum,
The following prices are ballpark estimates for black nickel plating. Firm prices can only be given once we receive the parts for inspection.
Black nickel is not as durable as bright chrome and will scratch easier. On areas that get a lot of rubbing or need cleaning often it may be a good idea to have a automotive clear sprayed on.
r&l leg faring - apx $575.00 each
rh pulley cover - apx 185.00
R&L exhaust shield "b" apx - $255.00 each
rear trunk badge - apx $160.00
rear lock trim - apx $65.00
front v access panel - apx $875.00
instrument cluster bezel - apx $275.00
console cover - apx $275.00
primary cover - apx $335.00
lh exhaust shield (14 x 7 ) apx $145.00
lh&rh seat panel - apx $185.00
wheels - apx $650.00 each
Thank you
Tom Sullivan
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| Mark, I have spoke to and have been dealing with Steve Tracy, the owner of Advanced Plating. I asked him about the durability of the Black Nickel plating and he informed me that it was just as durable as any other nickel plating. While not as hard as chrome (he told me that chrome is actually a clear plating over polished nickel and the nickel is what is shiny, the chrome is what adds a bluish tint to the nickel and protects it) it is still much more durable than powder coating. When asked directly about the application of the center bullet in his opinion Steve stated that black nickel was the way to go as powder coating wouldn't stand up to the exhaust heat and regular chrome would require constant cleaning to maintain the look.
On another note, man why not just strip the bike and let them dip the whole thing, there aren't too many more, if any at all, parts that you want to get make black..... wait, you forgot about the rocker box covers and the gear and brake levers! LOL You just gotta love someone with a Vision of what they want! |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Yeah, I thought if I was going to have them quote, I might as well have them quote all possible pieces. I have no familiarity with chrome shop pricing, but these prices shocked me. Those of you with experience in chrome pricing, pls chime in on whether you think these prices are too high. I know they are budgetary, but it is scaring me off of even pursuing. If these prices are normal for industry I'll have to rethink my approach. Thoughts? |
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Fargo, ND | Travelin Man - 2011-02-09 5:19 PM Mark, (Snip) When asked directly about the application of the center bullet in his opinion Steve stated that black nickel was the way to go as powder coating wouldn't stand up to the exhaust heat and regular chrome would require constant cleaning to maintain the look. (Snip) Not true. As a powder coater, I can tell you powder coating will hold up everywhere except on the crossover or anything ahead of the mufflers (the actual head pipes). Even the heat shields can be done in standard powder. The tips never get hot enough to damage powder. I coated the entire muffler after the Atom Bomb conversion to prevent rusting where they were welded and the center of my Gatlin tips in flat black powder over 2 years and 16,000 miles ago, and they still look great. Plus, I don't have to clean them all the time. But I digress. Back to the discussion of your fine-looking custom tips.
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Basehor, Ks. | Travelin man-can you PLEASE inform as to cost and ordering procedures? I seem to have been unable to locate in posts. Thanks Allen(thenuz) |
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| I currently have all the tips out for plating, either in Jet Black Nickel or chrome. I should have them all back and ready to ship to customers in a couple of weeks.
There will be 3 choices available:
1) Base and center bullet in straight chrome: $260.00 with all discounts applied
2) Base and center bullet in jet black nickel: $290.00 with all discounts applied
3) Base in straight chrome and center bullet in jet black nickel (highly recommended choice): $270.00 with all discounts applied
All choices are plus shipping (6 pounds f.o.b. Richmond, IL)
Payment is either via PayPal via personal check (shipping on all personal checks is held until check clears, usually 3 to 5 business days).
My business email is mrwizardsbilletcreations@comcast.net and that is the address that PayPal payments are sent to.
My website should be up and running by the end of March and it's address is www.mrwizardsbilletcreations.com |
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Simi Valley, CA | Still waiting....... |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Still don't know how to pay you via PayPal and I would hope to have my tips in my hands before the end of March. I do have paypal account. I have switched back and forth in my head on finishes. I have finally decided on normal chrome with black chrome tips. If the black chrome were less expensive I would have done my shields to match . . . I'll save this money for my next set of tires. Pls advise how I can pay for my tips (including shipping costs) and what the newest estimated day of shipping is. I'm now trying to figure out best way of doing the Thrush mod with these tips. Thx!
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Richmond, Virginia | God i feel like a broken record......so this is my final pre-apology PHOTO of chrome with black bullet???????
Im sitting on a payment waiting to see......
thanks in advance for your not shaking your head thinking "crap not again" |
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| Mac, the big mistake was mine! When I got the first, and so far only, set of jet black nickel tips I should have taken the bullets from them and put them on the chrome bases that I also had on hand and take a few pictures of them. As of today I talked to both plating companies and they both said that they should be shipping me the bases and tips (in both chrome and black nickel) on Friday and on Monday, give it a couple of days for shipping back to me and for my inspection and packaging them up in the desired combinations and we are looking at shipping out all paid orders on Friday (hopefully.....).
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Simi Valley, CA | Travelin Man - 2011-02-23 7:45 PM
Mac, the big mistake was mine! When I got the first, and so far only, set of jet black nickel tips I should have taken the bullets from them and put them on the chrome bases that I also had on hand and take a few pictures of them. As of today I talked to both plating companies and they both said that they should be shipping me the bases and tips (in both chrome and black nickel) on Friday and on Monday, give it a couple of days for shipping back to me and for my inspection and packaging them up in the desired combinations and we are looking at shipping out all paid orders on Friday (hopefully.....).
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Any update on chrome bases getting in and sets getting shipped out? Bike is up on the lift waiting for me to install Atom Bombs and these new tips. Now if the damned snow would melt! |
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Sturbridge, Mass | For those who are masters at Photoshop, can anyone put a set of these an an 09 Ice Blue to see what they would look like ?
I don't think the all black would go, but maybe the chrome & black ?
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Richmond, Virginia | Ice Blue has to be Chrome Chrome Chrome....... no black unless of course you want them to just match the tires.... |
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Sturbridge, Mass | VaParadox - 2011-03-02 2:12 PM
Ice Blue has to be Chrome Chrome Chrome....... no black unless of course you want them to just match the tires....
Killjoy.......
I know, I know.....was hoping the pics would make it look better than the image in my head.
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Simi Valley, CA | Trying to stay out of this..... every time I see a post on this subject I think they are ready to ship.... |
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| Man314 - 2011-03-02 8:54 AM Any update on chrome bases getting in and sets getting shipped out? Bike is up on the lift waiting for me to install Atom Bombs and these new tips. Now if the damned snow would melt! I finally got fed up and called the plating company I sent the parts to that are getting chrome plated, they do very good work but the reports I have heard about their delays in processing are turning out to be true. That said they told me that they will definitely be shipping them to me on Friday, which means I will be calling them at noon on Friday to verify the shipping. Providing they are shipped I will be seeing them back here on Monday. I have already informed my employee that handles my regular company's shipping that in processing the exhaust tips will take priority over shipping of cutting tools on that day which means I can start shipping sets with chrome bases and or bullets on that day as I will have (13) sets of chrome bases and (5) sets of chrome bullets available then (the rest of the production run of bullets were finished in jet black nickel). The good news is that I have received back from plating ALL the parts that were shipped out for the jet black nickel finish and I have (5) complete sets of those tips available for immediate shipping (these are the same ones that SongFan posted pictures earlier in this thread). Attached are a couple of pictures I took with my phone today of a chrome base with the black bullet. Richard
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Thx for the update and for the pics of chrome/black chrome |
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East TN | This might be a STUPID question but I'm going to ask it anyway....If I get the chrome with the black nickel tips exhaust.....Is it possible for the black nickel part to fall off??? While riding/hitting bumps etc??? How does it attach???
P.S. I am still WAITING TOO!! I have been drooling (order request sent in) over these since before Christmas!!! |
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McHenry, IL | joe schmoe - 2011-03-03 6:34 AM
This might be a STUPID question but I'm going to ask it anyway....If I get the chrome with the black nickel tips exhaust.....Is it possible for the black nickel part to fall off??? While riding/hitting bumps etc??? How does it attach???
The bullett and the base are connected with a threaded stud and loctite. |
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Richmond, Virginia | Richard, Sent you a private message this morning. ME WANT ME WANT ME WANT !!! Im ready for you to process my order/payment etc and
ship them suckers to me ASAP
Then I too can do the happy dance !!!
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Simi Valley, CA | Sooo was shipping verified last Friday? |
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Richmond, Virginia | Ive sent him 3-4 messages and have no response from him. Im waiting with my order. Hope the guy is ok. |
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| I apologize, things have been getting a little crazy the past couple of months between talking to customers for my new business, dealing with customers from my existing business making cutting tools, photographers doing work for for both businesses and website design people who are working on new websites also for both businesses, that on top of trying to convince my one plating company that is doing the chrome parts that my customers (you guys) are screaming (okay, typing very hard) for finished parts. All that AND dealing with my parents failing health between my sister and myself we are the only ones able to help them. The good news is that after my almost constant pestering I got word from my one plating company that they shipped the chrome pieces today and I will see them tomorrow, and yes, I got a tracking number from them so I confirmed shipment. Tomorrow morning I will be sending out invoices via PayPal to all those that have placed orders and barring any other problems all orders should be shipped out tomorrow afternoon! YEAH!!!
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Good news. Hang in there! We appreciate all the hard work you've put not this |
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Richmond, Virginia | Ditto what Man314 said. While we do get excited all things Vision related, we understand a full plate. Just nice to know things are beginning to clear for you.
Imagine not having or seeing your Vision since Last October... and you will know what I am experiencing. Im hoping the bike will be completed and returned to my garage within the next week or so, running acting and sounding like it used to. This has truly been a test of my patience.
Excited and will await your paypal email !! WOO HOO !!!
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Simi Valley, CA | The problem is you teased us a year ago with that damn CAD drawing....
I understand your situation, family and work and us bothering the crap out of you.... just know that we are on your side and can't wait to strap these puppies on our bikes. Hope you make lots of money...
Have you sent my invoice yet??? LOL
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Simi Valley, CA | Invoice received.... Paypal payment made!
Thanks!
Tim
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| VaParadox - 2011-03-08 7:07 AM Ditto what Man314 said. While we do get excited all things Vision related, we understand a full plate. Just nice to know things are beginning to clear for you. Imagine not having or seeing your Vision since Last October... and you will know what I am experiencing. Im hoping the bike will be completed and returned to my garage within the next week or so, running acting and sounding like it used to. This has truly been a test of my patience. Excited and will await your paypal email !! WOO HOO !!! Mac Mac, I do know what it's like, in fact, about the same kind of timing. I had an accident with my Vision in early October of '09, though rideable I still dropped the bike off at my dealer to get repaired and then the snow and winter kicked in. I didn't get my Vision back into my garage until February of 2010 and then still had to wait another month for the snow to clear so that I could ride her. Your invoice as well as other went out today and for those that have already paid, I thank you and your tips are boxed up and waiting for the Big Brown truck known as UPS to pick them up. I hope all are pleased by what they receive and if you have ANY problems please do not hesitate to call me at 815-953-7706. Thank you again everyone for you encouragement and support in this project! I can't wait to show you pictures of what I am working on for the next project (many of you have asked for it, hint, hint!).
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Richmond, Virginia | portable air conditioning system IN CHROME????? shucks........ |
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| No, not air conditioning but something much more useful on a motorcycle designed for touring............................. |
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Memphis | In-flight refueling probe? |
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Simi Valley, CA | Photon torpedoes ? Wings? Retractable wheels? |
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| Tim, I have been a Trek fan ever since I was a kid and although I do not consider myself a Trekker or Trekkie, I am currently still going through withdrawals since Star Trek Enterprise went off the air. Living and dealing with Chicago are traffic really makes me like the idea of photon torpedoes but I think phasers or Klingon disruptors would be more efficient on a motorcycle.
Tom, I really like the idea of in flight refueling but what kind of tanker could keep up with a Vision? |
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New Bohemia, Va | Rollin' - 2011-03-11 10:43 PM
Exhaust tips are that important on a touring bike?
...we share the same thought... but they do look cool...you just need to be assimilated into the Vision young jedi... |
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St. Louis, MO United States | Just sent info for invoice
Thanks so much for your efforts. Look forward to what is next.
Drizzle, Drazzle, Drozzle, Drone, time for my exhaust tips to come home.
Mr. Wizard
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Richmond, Virginia | Rollin'
Posted 2011-03-11 11:43 PM (#81226 - in reply to #55748)
Subject: Re: Custom Exhaust tips Quote Reply Alert
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Location: Wisconsin Exhaust tips are that important on a touring bike?
Isnt that like asking a fashion model if the shoes are important? ROTFLMAO its all about the cool factor.... |
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Henlow, Bedfordshire, England | I've ordered a set for my 2011 Vision which had its first service yesterday. It also had the Stage 1 and they mentioned that the exhausts are different, the black end inserts are not removable unless cut off, it may have already been covered in this thread but its such a long thread I will ask the question. Has anyone experience of problems fitting end tips to a 2011? will they fit if the black inserts are cut off? My dealer says they should and they are willing to cut off and try but weld back if no good, thought it might be easier to find out if someone already knows the answer! |
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Richmond, Virginia | Not sure this helps but I recall and am counting on my set being an easy install as I remember hearing that these are machined to match the gatlin tips
for S1 an S2 pipes. Looking forward to receiving mine any day now. Will let everyone know how the install goes. |
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Memphis | uknessie, On your previous Vision ('08) the stock tips were a separate piece from the rest of the exhaust. They could be swapped out with the Gatling tips with just three bolts. Are the 2011's all one piece now? If so, you will have to custom rig something for the Wizard tips and they will mount farther back than on the two-piece units like mine. It sounds like you will have the stock flared tip with a turbine insert. Just make sure you get a good seal all the way around the turbine so that the exhaust doesn't leak there. I think it's all because the 2011's have a Stage 1/Level 1 exhaust stock from the factory so they didn't need to make it a two piece unit to upgrade later. Having said all that. I think yours will look very cool and very custom! p.s. - I just Googled pics of the 2011 Vision and they are still two piece. You will just swap out the ends of your stock tips as if you are going to add Gatlings. The Wizard tips will bolt up exactly like Gatling tips would. No need to cut out the black insert. That whole tip will come off with 3 bolts. Easy swap for you.
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Henlow, Bedfordshire, England | Thanks, Travellin Man has also confirmed along these lines so hopefully will be straight forward. The dealer said the chrome part is no problem but the black inserts were now one piece. End of the day I will get them to fit I'm sure. Interesting you said they come with stage 1 / level 1 exhaust, I paid for s1 l1 what is involved and how much should it have been? |
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Memphis | Hmmm, the two-piece chrome cover/heatshield is what threw me. It must be a one-piece muffler underneath a two-piece heatshield. Weird. With the quieter transmission on the 2011's, Victory was able to open up the exhaust and make it throatier from the factory. I've seen the rear opening and it is physically bigger than the earlier models. I was was under the impression it now sounded like S1/L1. Ask your dealer what all was involved with a S1/L1 upgrade. Did he have to change out the mufflers or just do a reflash? If he didn't have to physically swap out the mufflers you should have only had to pay for the reflash. If that is a one piece muffler all the way to the rear opening, you'll have to mod it. p.s. - Ask your dealer if he could put Gatling Tips on a 2011 with no modifications. If so, something is not right.
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Memphis | Here's another angle. When your dealer says the black insert is one piece, does he mean it is attached to the chrome heatshield (like it has always been) or permanently attached to the muffler? He may be under the impression that you are trying to salvage the small piece of heatshield that surrounds the black insert and are going to use it to surround the new tips. Explain that the whole piece (black insert and heatshield) will be replaced by the new tips. |
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, WI | VaParadox - 2011-03-12 12:36 PM
Rollin'
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Location: Wisconsin Exhaust tips are that important on a touring bike?
Isnt that like asking a fashion model if the shoes are important? ROTFLMAO its all about the cool factor....
You listed my post count because? You think post count equals experience? It's all about the cool factor?
You are a fashion model?
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Richmond, Virginia | no just consider that as an example of my non supreme cut and paste ability LOL |
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | Riverdawg was having the same problem with 2011 exhaust tips. It sounds like a sawzall will be needed.
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Henlow, Bedfordshire, England | Hi Song Fan, the black insert is part of the muffler and the 2011 doesnt come sounding like a stage 1, it needs different baffles so can only assume it is the exhaust itself that is the same. They normally stock a stage 1 kit but they told me they had to order for mine as the 2011 is different and no the gatling tips wont go on.
Nozzledog, thanks, thats exactly the problem, think the welds will have to come undone. It will be a while before i get them but will let you know what happens. |
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Memphis | Ok, now that we know the stock tip is tacked on, what about the three bolts use on the earlier models? Did the welds take their place? You will need those bolts (3 on each side) to mount the tips. If the bolts (and their adjoining holes) are gone I guess you have to tack weld the new tips (or Gatlin s) on a 2011? If the bolts and holes are still there it will be easy. The S1/L1 mufflers will have the holes regardless, I would think. Just trying to play devils advocate and cover all the bases on what to expect. I look forward to see how easy/hard this will be. |
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Henlow, Bedfordshire, England | I remember the dealer saying about this now, something about drilling the 3 holes and bolting in but I guess we will have to wait and see. By the way, they also found out there is only a level 1 option on 2011 and not l2 for some reason. |
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Camas Washington | I just had the vic fluted tips put on my 2011 VV. The black insert is spot welded to the the exhaust. You can cut the welds off and you get about an inch or so of pipe coming out of the exhaust. The tips will fit with the inch or so of pipe fitting flush against the inner design of the new tip. |
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Sturbridge, Ma | Hi Rick,
They look sweet! Is there anyway you can do a video clip for a sound bite? Idle and Reving?
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Simi Valley, CA | Mine are going to be delivered tomorrow... but I am in Colorado until Saturday night! GRRRR. Suppose to rain on Sunday too, so at least I will be able to get them on the Enterprise. Can't wait! |
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| Eric_MA - 2011-03-15 7:15 PM
Hi Rick,
They look sweet! Is there anyway you can do a video clip for a sound bite? Idle and Reving?
Thanks!
Yes, I will try to get to it tomorrow.. I do have the Atom Bombs though. No noticible difference in sound to me.
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Richmond, Virginia | Just received my chrome with black bullets today........ i almost got a speeding ticket driving home to get to the front porch for my box.
Will post some awesome shots of my tips tomorrow !! For any of you contemplating buying a set of these THEY ARE AWESOME, well made, heavy as lead, and finished like fine jewelry. Photos tomorrow |
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| Thanks guys, I'm looking forward to seeing pictures and video. One question I have for all who have received your shipments, were all pieces still intact and in place with the plastic skin packaging? Oh, and thanks to my nephew who is a real genius with graphic and web design here is the logo for Mr. Wizard's Billet Creations:
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Basehor, Ks. | Thanks Mr. Wizard, it was so good after I put them on I had to have a cigarette and I don't smoke. One thing I would mention though. If you have had the Atom Bomb mod done on your mufflers, you may have to do a little grinding on the muffler lip which supports the tip. The mufflers get real hot when he cuts out the old baffle and it warps the lip a little....And yes, everything was intact and stuck to the bottom of the box. |
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Lynnwood, WA | You guys that have already received your new exhaust tips, SUCK! OK, maybe not.... I'm out in WA State, and mine won't be here until Thursday. |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Mine are at home waiting on me . . . I'm in Idaho, but will be heading home tomorrow. Thur / Fri I'll be 1) Changing out to a new set of tires with Dyna Beads 2) Installing my Atom Bombs 3) Adding these awesome tips! Now let's hope the weather cooperates so I can take for a test ride. |
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East TN | I got my tips last night....I HAD to Install them as soon as I saw them!!! All I can say Mr. Wizard is they are SEXY!!!! AWESOME JOB all around....
I was out in the garage until 11:30 PM installing them and then of course wiping all the finger prints off of them!!! Best looking mod I have done yet!!
Thank you again for doing such and outstanding job on these tips!! (2 thumbs up) |
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East TN | OH YEAH!!! I'll post pictures this afternoon once the sun comes out!! |
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Richmond, Virginia | Here are some photos of my tips. Cant wait to install them this weekend. Chrome with black bullets
A W E S O M E !!
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Any help from the thousands of followers on this thread? http://www.vision-riders.com/bb/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=8347&pos... |
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Sturbridge, Mass | My tips arrived last night. I am totally blown away of how nice they look in person, can't wait to put them on.
There was also a very nice note and item in my package as well from Mr. Wizard. for anyone who may have concerns, rest easy. Mr Wizard is a class act.
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Sturbridge, Ma | Jeff,
When put them in, or need help putting them in let me know so I can take a look at how they look on the bike in person? I like the way they look....But I also love the gatlin tips! If it's easy enough I could keep them both and rotate them? LOL |
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Sturbridge, Mass | Eric_MA - 2011-04-07 7:55 AM
Jeff,
When put them in, or need help putting them in let me know so I can take a look at how they look on the bike in person? I like the way they look....But I also love the gatlin tips! If it's easy enough I could keep them both and rotate them? LOL
Gve me a shout, we can get togther this week- I have some time, plus you have room to work in your garage !!!
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Sturbridge, Ma | Sure, no problem! How's this Friday for 6pm? Let me know? |
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Henlow, Bedfordshire, England | Thanks again Songfan, Riverdawg & Nozzledog, got round to fitting my tips to my 2011 Vision and yes the tips are welded, takes a while to break the welds (when working without the correct tools like I did) but when this is done everything else is straight forward. 3 hole and bolts as normal, inserts fit well and now looks great. Thanks also MrWizard for the great service.
No idea why Victory spot weld these when they sell different tips, at least though its only the 2 welds each side and its clean enough when the ends come off.
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Springfield, TN | sgiacci - 2010-12-19 8:57 PM
warp drive is supposed to be blue
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| Any one have Mr. Wizards # I have been trying to get a hold of him to buy some tips but can't seem to get him any help would be great. |
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| I was waiting too, The last I head from him was another run of the tips would not be ready until Mid June and I sent him the info to invoice me when he needed the money but have not heard anything else.He is suppose to be working on another custom part for the Vision...... |
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Cedar, Michigan | Ordered mine today, can't wait to see these monsters. A work of art to say the least. |
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Cedar, Michigan | Installed tips, damn those are schweeeeet! Richard, you are the man. |
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Cedar, Michigan | Here are a few pics of the tips installed
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scotts valley, California | Has anyone done an extensive before and after gasoline consumption test? There was a slight (about 4 to 5%) improvement from Ness Honkers with NO tips to Ness Honkers with my home-made tips (over a 7000 mile test). I would expect a little MORE improvement with Travelin Man's tips as they are engineered and machined better than mine. |
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East Tennessee | Any new developements to these tips ? Any idea of the price ? |
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Pittsburgh, PA | first i would like to THANK songfan for sharing this thread with me when i asked about how to install my Gatlin tips with these NEW 2011 stock mufflers... but i also wanted to share something with everyone if i may.... so i cut OFF the stock 2011 tips. but i want t share what i thought of after one of them was cut off....
I cut off the one like the photos show above, where you remove the long chrome cover and cut the tip.. for me that was time consuming because of a lack of tools (all i had was a dremel) and it was hard to cut it due to a lack of space. So after i cut the one off, i got the idea of
instead of removing the chrome cover on the 2nd muffler AND cutting the tip off from the outside in.. why not stick the dremel INSIDE the tip and cut it from the inside out.... and IT WORKED and took about 10 mins if that!! i had to remove Nothing!! then once it fell off, i just bolted on the gatlin tip and all was done.. now i did have photos of what ive done.. or so i thought... here when i went to look at my photos they were all Black. i guess there wasnt enough light on my smart phone to capture an image.. so just picture a dremel with the disk cutting blade (the BIG ONE) and sticking it in there and cutting in a circular motion.. and thats it! done |
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San Antonio, TX | Arkainzeye - 2011-08-15 2:41 PM
So after i cut the one off, i got the idea of
instead of removing the chrome cover on the 2nd muffler AND cutting the tip off from the outside in.. why not stick the dremel INSIDE the tip and cut it from the inside out.... and IT WORKED and took about 10 mins if that!! i had to remove Nothing!! then once it fell off, i just bolted on the gatlin tip and all was done.. now i did have photos of what ive done.. or so i thought... here when i went to look at my photos they were all Black. i guess there wasnt enough light on my smart phone to capture an image.. so just picture a dremel with the disk cutting blade (the BIG ONE) and sticking it in there and cutting in a circular motion.. and thats it! done
To find the easiest way to do a job give it to the laziest guy!!!! Quite often I am that lazy guy.
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Edmond, OK 2012 Vision, 2012 Cross Country | Where can I get a set of these? |
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East TN | RobertDuval - 2011-08-15 6:24 PM Where can I get a set of these? Contact the Original poster (OP) they are simply the $H!T on a Vision!!! Love my set!!
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Northeast Ohio | Travelin Man is who sells them. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | radioteacher - 2011-08-15 4:51 PM
Arkainzeye - 2011-08-15 2:41 PM
So after i cut the one off, i got the idea of
instead of removing the chrome cover on the 2nd muffler AND cutting the tip off from the outside in.. why not stick the dremel INSIDE the tip and cut it from the inside out.... and IT WORKED and took about 10 mins if that!! i had to remove Nothing!! then once it fell off, i just bolted on the gatlin tip and all was done.. now i did have photos of what ive done.. or so i thought... here when i went to look at my photos they were all Black. i guess there wasnt enough light on my smart phone to capture an image.. so just picture a dremel with the disk cutting blade (the BIG ONE) and sticking it in there and cutting in a circular motion.. and thats it! done
To find the easiest way to do a job give it to the laziest guy!!!! Quite often I am that lazy guy.
Nice Work!!
AMEN! like i said when i did the first one. i thought man this sucks.... then i looked at the hole and looked at the size of the dremel disk and thought... I wonder... lol then i suck the dremel INSIDE the outlet of the exhaust and turned it on and in a few minutes it felll off! |
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Desert Hot Springs (Palm Springs area), CA | Arkainzeye - 2011-08-15 2:41 PM
instead of removing the chrome cover on the 2nd muffler AND cutting the tip off from the outside in.. why not stick the dremel INSIDE the tip and cut it from the inside out.... and IT WORKED and took about 10 mins if that!! i had to remove Nothing!! then once it fell off, i just bolted on the gatlin tip and all was done.. now i did have photos of what ive done.. or so i thought... here when i went to look at my photos they were all Black. i guess there wasnt enough light on my smart phone to capture an image.. so just picture a dremel with the disk cutting blade (the BIG ONE) and sticking it in there and cutting in a circular motion.. and thats it! done
Damn, that is such a cool idea! This is what I love about the internet and these info boards. The collective wisdom is just fantastic. Arkainzeye - thanks for thinking. |
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| Does anyone know if there still selling the turbine tips I finally got enough save up to buy a pair (yea me)I have tried writing traveling man and face book Mr. Wizard but have not received any feedback. |
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| I have been keeping track of all who have contacted me one way or another. I will be manufacturing more sets of exhaust tips but as of right now I do not know exactly when as the work load with my regular production product (cutting tools for engineered wood products, i.e. plywood, particle board, OSB, laminated veneer lumber) has more than tripled in the last 6 months not due to housing market turning around so much as many of my competitors have gone under. Hang in there and I will let everyone know the next time there is a run ready for sale. |
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Indianapolis, IN | Thanks for the update. Good to hear business is going well for you. Keep us posted. |
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| me too me too did I tell you me too. one of the post way back said you were working on something eles. ?????????????? |
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| 1/18 - I sent a PM to Travelin Man to let him know the thread was still alive and he has potential customers. |
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| Thanks guys! I'm still here and taking names, when I get around 15 more people interested I will see what I can do about pushing another run through although I can state it here that the choices on finish will be more limited, all the bases will be in chrome and you will have your choice of black nickel (I still have about 16 of those left from the first run), flat black anodizing (recommended), or chrome. |
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, FL | I am definitely in the market for a pair of the Jet Tips for Vic Vision 2011.
I am ready to buy if you have some in stock.
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seattle, wa | Ness now has similar tips for the Vision and Xbikes.
I think the ones from Travelin Man look better.
Travelin Man-You will probably pick up some business if Cyril allows you to post a link on his board how to purchase your tips.
http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2012/04/26/arlen-ness-deep-cut-muffler... |
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Cedar, Michigan | I've seen a pair of these Ness tips in person. No where near as nice as the ones I bought here. Ness stuff is sweet from 10 feet, put it in your hands and most of it is just a step above Krapyakyn, I mean Kuryakyn. |
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| Matt,
Ness isn't the only player in the exhaust tip game either, Big Joe over at Kewlmetal offers some unique tips too. Like I said when I first started making these jet tips, I'm not in it for the money otherwise I would be charging far more and my accountant told me that I only netted about $150 profit from the entire first run. That's less than $10 per set! I did it because I love to do things like this and because Will over at Cycleops flat out pissed me off with his "show quality chrome" excuses for his exorbitant prices on a trunk rack made out of aluminum flat stock. He is the real one charging custom prices for what is a simply machined part where if he is smart enough there is probably only 15-20 minutes machining time. |
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Cedar, Michigan | Travelin Man - 2012-04-26 7:30 PM
Matt,
Ness isn't the only player in the exhaust tip game either, Big Joe over at Kewlmetal offers some unique tips too. Like I said when I first started making these jet tips, I'm not in it for the money otherwise I would be charging far more and my accountant told me that I only netted about $150 profit from the entire first run. That's less than $10 per set! I did it because I love to do things like this and because Will over at Cycleops flat out pissed me off with his "show quality chrome" excuses for his exorbitant prices on a trunk rack made out of aluminum flat stock. He is the real one charging custom prices for what is a simply machined part where if he is smart enough there is probably only 15-20 minutes machining time.
I love the tips I purchased form you. More to the point, everyone who looks at my bike comments on the tips. You should come out with a trunk rack!
Will is a total idiot. He feels because he produces products made of metal that some how he is a magician. Never will I buy a CyclOps product. If you want to charge a high rate for a product fine, but $40+ for a couple spacers nuts? I think Will is perpetually high. |
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N. Miami, Florida | Travelin Man - 2012-04-26 7:30 PM
Matt,
Ness isn't the only player in the exhaust tip game either, Big Joe over at Kewlmetal offers some unique tips too. Like I said when I first started making these jet tips, I'm not in it for the money otherwise I would be charging far more and my accountant told me that I only netted about $150 profit from the entire first run. That's less than $10 per set! I did it because I love to do things like this and because Will over at Cycleops flat out pissed me off with his "show quality chrome" excuses for his exorbitant prices on a trunk rack made out of aluminum flat stock. He is the real one charging custom prices for what is a simply machined part where if he is smart enough there is probably only 15-20 minutes machining time.
You crack me up. You've never even seen one of my racks, nor the chrome finish my chromer gives, yet I piss you off. I always make it very clear that my chromer is expensive, but his finish is worth the extra cost and I will put it up against anyone else's. I guess you know better than the 100s of satisfied customers of mine who are overly happy with my products and willing to pay for top quality finish work. Considering in 6 years I have had only one chrome return, yes, only one, I think I'm doing better than most who tell me of 15-20% returns on their chrome goods for one reason or another. Quality costs, period. If you think I put the money into my pocket and not into the products you're sorely mistaken. |
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N. Miami, Florida | So I'm a total idiot? Do I know you? Have we met? You don't know squat about me or what I do, so your comment is ridiculous. Have you any experience in what's needed to be done or paid for to produce parts in the first place, let alone of the highest quality? Do you run a business and know there are expenses in doing so? As for $40 for spacers, why don't you elaborate and what you're talking about lest you yourself appear the idiot here. Obviously if they were something so outrageously priced then you could do better yourself and went ahead and made them yourself I assume. Guys like you make me laugh. Whine and whine yet have no basis for trying to trash someone they know nothing about. Priceless.
Mattchristiani - 2012-04-27 6:42 AM
Will is a total idiot. He feels because he produces products made of metal that some how he is a magician. Never will I buy a CyclOps product. If you want to charge a high rate for a product fine, but $40+ for a couple spacers nuts? I think Will is perpetually high. |
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| Easy, was that response really needed? Having been in business for many years, lashing out at a customer probably won't win you any customers. |
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N. Miami, Florida | I don't appreciate somebody who does not know me or my products who comes out and calls me an
idiot. secondly it should be very obvious but both of their posts that neither one of them are customers of mine. Those who are actually customers of mine but only know the level of quality I put into my products but also in the pride I take in giving customer service. Posts like theirs are ignorant and uncalled for in the manner they were given.
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Easy, was that response really needed? Having been in business for many years, lashing out at a customer probably won't win you any customers. |
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Cedar, Michigan | CycleOps USA - 2012-05-25 12:32 PM
I don't appreciate somebody who does not know me or my products who comes out and calls me an
idiot. secondly it should be very obvious but both of their posts that neither one of them are customers of mine. Those who are actually customers of mine but only know the level of quality I put into my products but also in the pride I take in giving customer service. Posts like theirs are ignorant and uncalled for in the manner they were given.
kris1956 - 2012-05-25 12:04 PM
Easy, was that response really needed? Having been in business for many years, lashing out at a customer probably won't win you any customers.
Boy you sure do know how to whine like a sissy girl. I'm originally from Tampa and yes we have met about a year ago or so. Though you might not like me to post the outcome of our meeting. Suffice to say, I have seen your products and yes the chrome looks good. SO???? Your response only solidifies the aforementioned. |
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| Will, the problem you have, and I have thoroughly went through your posts here and over at the VMC forum to come to this opinion, is that you think everyone NEEDS perfect chrome, the kind of finish people who put their bikes in shows all the time demand, and your only other lower cost option (at not too much of a savings at that I will say) is powdercoating. I understand fully why you have this view, I've seen your bike and it is definitely a show bike, granted a show bike that you do ride but I seriously doubt you put on the kind of miles most riders of touring bikes like the Vision do. You need to understand that for 99% of the touring riders out there we only want a rack that looks decent, maybe not perfect chrome but decent, and most importantly is functional. You are placing a rack you make for the Vision in the same frame of mind as a rack you make for the Jackpot, and the riders of those two bikes couldn't be more different in how they ride or what their needs are. Hey, do what you want, but when someone comes out with something that is more affordable yet looks good and gets the job done just be prepared.
If you would actually do the machining on the parts you are selling you would know what I am talking about when I estimate a machining time of only 15 to 20 minutes for your rack and in the Chicago area, the job shop capital of the United States, the going shop rate is $54 to $60 per hour for machining time. You talk about how you hand radius all the edges on your racks, well, perhaps final finishing before plating is needed but that radiusing can be done with a tool in the machining center. While the prices for 6061-T651 aluminum has gone up and down the past 4 or 5 years, there isn't more than $20 of 1/4" plate stock in your rack. I know this because I just purchased a dozen 12" x 24" x 1/2" thick 6061 plates to make fixturing (for my cutting tool business) for my new Epilog Fibermark Laser marking system that I just got in.
One last thing, ANYTHING you make I can guarantee that I can actually make it better and sell it for far less than what you can as I only need to break even doing it because of my primary business being where I make my real money at, I don't try to make it off of my fellow riders.
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N. Miami, Florida | Kris, these guys just don't get it, but it seems you do. Given the relatively small amount of Vics out there, it's actually quite a small market compared to H-D, not to mention many of the metric bike companies. And to go further, foreign manufacturers of parts have created an unrealistic expectation by many of what things cost to make here and still be able to cover overhead such as rent, liability insurance, utilities, advertising, gas, contractor labor, shipping supplies, and all the other incidental expenses one incurs running a legitimate business versus moonlighting for fun and making parts to sell at cost to friends.
Where these guys, especially TM, go offline is they want utility parts and I don't offer them. Although anything I make is highly functional for the task, they are also finished to show quality levels in most cases. Does this make the cost go up? Sure. But as a businessman is it not my decision as to what level of goods I offer? I have always been very clear about my business model being to make the best and charge according to the final costs. I've never backed down from this yet these guys want to throw stones at me for that decision. My customer base is very loyal for this very reason as they know what they're getting for their hard earned money and are happy to do business with me over and over because of it. The only thing these two guys do over and over is whine about my prices. They can't grasp I won't settle like they will, and for some reason this pisses them off. Oh well, not my worry. They talk like they know something, yet they have no clue whatsoever what it takes, or what I do, to put out what I do. Why is this? Because they settle, they don't strive for perfection. And that's fine, and they're right, there are those out there who don't care about the finish, or an imperfection, or poor chrome, and that's fine. Those just aren't the customers in my target base. Anyone can make cheaper goods, no doubt. That's just not my vision or business plan.
And TM, don't worry, I ride plenty, bling or no bling, rain or shine. And where did I ever post EVERYONE needs perfect chrome? If you dig through my posts you'll clearly see that is quite the opposite, and that very often I talk about my market being specifically those not willing to settle for the quality you may find acceptable. So if you want to quote or paraphrase me at least do it accurately and without your self created fantasy BS. You make a lot of assumptions and talk a lot of trash, yet you know so much less than you spew, and if no one else here sees through your chest pumping know well I do. You want to spend your time making parts as a hobby for no compensation, that's fine, go right ahead. Spend 50 hours a week doing it for nothing, again, fine by me. Hell, get into the business better still and do it full time. At least that way you'll realize how full of shit your posts on this have been when you have to actually cover expenses and find there's nothing left afterwards for a paycheck. You're the type who thinks putting out cheap parts to undercut others is a business plan for success. Go ahead, and I'll just sit here and watch you go bankrupt when the reality of running a cash flow intensive business bites you in the ass while you eat returns and warranty your failed parts. You watch everyone else in front of you, and that's where I'm different from you... I don't look back over my shoulder at guys like you as I leave them in the dust where they belong. You can have you oats that have already gone through the horse, while I'll gladly pay a little more for the fresh ones not yet eaten, it's that simple.
And Matt, whoever you are, post whatever you want and refresh my memory of why you didn't leave a lasting impression on me even more than your posts here. Sissy girl, huh? Now that's a good one. LOL!
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| <p>I refuse to be baited into further argument on this forum.</p><p>Will, good luck in your endeavors, I hope you reap the rewards you have worked so hard to attain. <br /></p>
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| Will, I realize the Victory market is small. I can appreciate the quality of your products but I still have to wonder about your market share. In other words is your mark up so much that it's costing you customers. As I said previously I understand the need for profit, I make a profit too but not at the expense of longevity.
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Henlow, Bedfordshire, England | I don't fully understand why anyone is baiting or rising to the bait here, you make a limited run product you charge what you want to charge. The customer will either buy or not buy it. As for the tips I have a set and they are fantastic, they are expensive but so was my Vision and I want to make it mine. I have spent at least a third of the cost of the bike on extras without trying but its my hobby. I don't smoke and don't have kids. My trade is in the shoe repair industry and we make some parts as one offs because of the low volume and if you looked at some of the prices we have to charge because of this you would laugh but we have no choice nor do our customers. Will, it seems everyone says your stuff is top notch, if ever I want anything from you it won't be the price that puts me off. |
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Phenix City AL. | I have a cycleops winged rack, and the lowers, I ride my vision every day, his products are great, well worth the money. I know will, great guy, its awsome to see a regular American making a company from his own two hands. KEEP up the great work will. For the OP, your tips are great. Sorry for the rant. |
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Phenix City AL. | I have a cycleops winged rack, and the lowers, I ride my vision every day, his products are great, well worth the money. I know will, great guy, its awsome to see a regular American making a company from his own two hands. KEEP up the great work will. For the OP, your tips are great. Sorry for the rant. |
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New Bohemia, VA | It's sad that one vendor has to cut down another vendor publicly thinking they are saving the world from the other guy. If your product is worth anything people will pay the price and the people will speak for you. I stand to question any vendor that has to defend themselves in this manner.
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Cedar, Michigan | varyder - 2012-05-26 9:51 AM
It's sad that one vendor has to cut down another vendor publicly thinking they are saving the world from the other guy. If your product is worth anything people will pay the price and the people will speak for you. I stand to question any vendor that has to defend themselves in this manner.
It's a new thing in this country called "freedom of speech". It's here to stay, so get used to it. |
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New Bohemia, VA | Mattchristiani - 2012-05-26 9:57 AM It's a new thing in this country called "freedom of speech". It's here to stay, so get used to it. Really now? Thanks for the lesson. |
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N. Miami, Florida | Kris, my margins are no different than anyone else in the industry. The difference is primarily in the cost of my prep of the parts to get ready for chroming, and then for sure the cost of the chromer I use. I don't use the big high volume houses like Browns that so many use because my parts aren't mass produced therefore I don't use mass production chrome facilities. I use a small local shop that does amazing work, but he's not cheap, but I, and my customers get what they pay for. To have virtually a zero return/complaint record on chrome in 5 years is all but unheard of in this industry. Instead of getting calls and emails complaining about things I get customers contact me voluntarily to voice their happiness and to say how above average the chrome is. That is priceless to me, knowing someone will take the time to come to me with their satisfaction.
VA, defending one's self from such slanderous misinformation is nothing to hold against a vendor, however when one vendor starts an attack in a public place like this out of nowhere with the sole purpose to discredit the others products and undermine them, this then I agree with you.
As the last thing I?ll say on this matter, I don't make excuses for my pricing, I explain it so those interested in my products understand the ?why? when someone who doesn?t want to pay our prices tries to make us look like we?re gouging when in fact we are only filling a niche. Now keep in mind, not only do I give all members here and elsewhere a 10% every day discount, but even further like right now with our 15% off Memorial Day Sale our racks are only $424.15, well below the crappy OEM Kuryakyn Taiwan racks that can't hold a candle to ours. Even at the normal 10% off, our racks are still a better value not to mention are made here in the USA by US workers.
I have said it many times before and I?ll say it once again? I don?t look to be known as the biggest Victory parts maker, I look only to be known as having the best finished parts that are unique and function as well as they look because my pride in what I bring to market is more important than filling my pockets.
I?m sure many here who have done business with me will chime in here with their perspective on this, so I?m done here and will leave it to them if they choose to add anything to this.
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| Will, as I said earlier,you're free to run your business any way your feel is right. Although I listen to people from time to time concerning my business, in the end it's my decision. I might not always agree with you but I'll surely defend you right to do as you please. You're the one paying the bills. |
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New Bohemia, VA | Will - my point is the initiation of an attack, so I think we agree. I've not bought anything from you, yet. If I hadn't already dropped a few dimes for two junky, yet functional, Victory trunk racks, I would have had the winged-V racks from CycleOps. It's just a thing of mine that if a vendor makes a product that speaks for itself, that vendor can remain silent when others try to undermine them with words when those who are part of the market-share say them. I've seen this time and time again with local mom and pop places and usually the nay-sayers eventually become the losers while those who are spoken ill of remain strong and silent. Sure we live in a land that worships freedom of speech, but sometimes the loudest and strongest thing said is nothing at all.
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Simi Valley, CA | I have bought products from both Travelin Man and Cycle Ops. Never have I felt like I was overpaying- if I did I would not have bought the items. Both offer excellant quality products, but I feel that Will offers one thing that is really lacking with a few of the vendors here, that is excellent customer service. His communication and responsiveness to questions is unmatched- in my experience.
I also feel lucky to be one of the few that have gotten those awesome jet tips, but there are more out there that are apparently ready to buy them. This thread is for THOSE exhaust tips, let's keep it that way.
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San Antonio, TX | Cometman - 2012-05-26 11:43 AM
I have bought products from both Travelin Man and Cycle Ops. Never have I felt like I was overpaying- if I did I would not have bought the items. Both offer excellant quality products, but I feel that Will offers one thing that is really lacking with a few of the vendors here, that is excellent customer service. His communication and responsiveness to questions is unmatched- in my experience.
I also feel lucky to be one of the few that have gotten those awesome jet tips, but there are more out there that are apparently ready to buy them. This thread is for THOSE exhaust tips, let's keep it that way.
Tim
Well said! Long live those that support the Victory brand with accessories!!
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| I make parts that I chose to distribute through an already existing seller. The first product I made was an extender for the kick stands on the early vision models. I received many "That's fugly ,I would never put that cr-p on my bike" comments. They are still selling and there have been over 200 produced in my shop. There will always be people willing to give you their advice and comments and they for the most part worth what you pay for them.....lol Sometimes the pride in your product you produce is all you need to continue. |
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seattle, wa | I would like to purchase a set from TravelinMan when they become available. |
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| I'm new to this forum and would like to know how contact and purchase items listed by other forum member especially the custom jet exhaust tips. I own a 2011 XR an these tip are just what I'm looking for. After 26years in the United States Air Force as a Jet mechanic these tip will be a little part of my Air Force history. |
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| Okay everyone, material is ordered for the second production run which will consist of 22 or 23 sets. I expect machining to begin by the 23rd or 24th of July and it should take about 4 working days to get all the machining done, then the bases will go off for chrome plating and the center bullets will be sent out for flat black hard coat anadizing (the same finish used on AR-15 rifles). I've been told that chrome plating will take between 4 to 5 weeks and anodizing 2 to 3 weeks. So, if all goes according to plan I should be able to start shipping by the second week in September, keep your fingers crossed because the last time the hold up was in the plating. As of today I have received messages from 12 people asking to be put on the list so that leaves 10 or 11 sets that haven't been spoken for. I'm still waiting for a quote on plating an anodizing but I'm hoping I can keep the price right around $350 per set .
For those of you who have sets from the first run last year it has come to my attention that there is a possibility of the center bullets coming loose and falling off as the loctite tape failed. Please check to make sure your bullets are still tight and if you find they have loosened then remove them and re-install using either red loctite or what I have found works great is the blue loctite that comes in a pen format that is like a paste, I put enough on the stud before install the stud so that it has a fillet of loctite where the stud goes into the bullet, then I add more loctite paste on the end of the stud before screwing the bullet into the base. |
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seattle, wa | Fingers crossed.
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| lwrat@cox.net - 2012-07-13 8:01 AM
I'm new to this forum and would like to know how contact and purchase items listed by other forum member especially the custom jet exhaust tips. I own a 2011 XR an these tip are just what I'm looking for. After 26years in the United States Air Force as a Jet mechanic these tip will be a little part of my Air Force history.
You can have my place in line and thank you for your service !!
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| I'mstill in line and ready as soon as they are available. Pleasekeepmeon the list.I'll take a set. |
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| Yes, they have the (4) mounting holes needed to mount to the Cross bikes stock mufflers, or and muffler that will accept the stock or big mount tips. |
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| I am interested a set. Please let me know how to purchase. |
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| It is like crickets around here...anyone? Anyone? |
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| I agree, the crickets have been loud lately!
*****NOW FOR AN IMPORTANT UPDATE*****
The second production run of the Jet or Turbine exhaust tips is underway!
The material was delivered last Friday before the holiday weekend and machining started today. I expect the machining work to be done by the end of next week and then they will packaged and shipped out for plating and anodizing. I am entirely at the mercy of the plating company which can take anywhere from 3 weeks to 3 months like the last time but their chrome finish is worth the wait. The center bullets will be hardcoat anodized in black this time as they get black from the exhaust soot anyway and the anodizing will prevent corrosion (yes, even aluminum will corrode), delivery time on the anodizing was quoted as 2 to 3 weeks but I'm not holding my breath.
I have about 13 sets now spoken for leaving 7 left, if you haven't sent me either a PM or an email (mrwizardsbilletcreations@comcast.net) then you need to do so very soon if you want a set.
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seattle, wa | Great news!
Thanks for the update. |
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| Standing by... |
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| hey travelin man any up date on the tips yet just wondering. you know how we all get with a new toy for the bike. |
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| Okay, here is the latest. The CNC machining (turning and milling) was delayed to a couple of emergency orders for tooling by L-P for their Newberry, MI and Golden, BC plants that needed to get done first. Sorry guys but my primary business of manufacturing cutting tools takes precedence as that is my livelihood and keep food on the table and gas in my Vision.
That said, the CNC machining was started this week and WILL be done either tomorrow afternoon or early Saturday. Either way the bases and bullets will be shipping out to chrome and anodizing on Monday. I will give another update once both plating companies give me a good delivery date. |
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| Without Vision, the people suffer. |
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| Any updates? |
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| an??????????????????????????????? any more updates sorry to be a pain.. |
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seattle, wa | Just in time for Xmas? |
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| I am hoping to hear back from the plating company tomorrow, I talked to them a week ago and they said the bases were still in polishing.
Have faith is all I can say and Christmas should be brighter due to the arrival of new chrome!
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Vancouver, BC Canada | Excited...my Christmas present to myself! |
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Vancouver, BC Canada | Hey, any update on the exhaust tips? Happy Holidays to all!!! |
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| I want a set in basic chrome. |
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| Okay everyone, here is the latest:
I recalled the production run from the chrome plater because they hadn't even started the polishing on the pieces, I got the shipment back a week before Christmas.
The day the shipment came in I was notified that a very dear and close family friend had passed suddenly in Boston. I flew out that night and that is where I was until the Sunday before Christmas. After coming back and getting into the office on Christmas Eve I had to take care of many things that occurred during my absence from the business even though I was in contact with the office by phone and email. This past weekend my 76 year old mother, who is my father's caregiver and who has been in fairly good health, fell and suffered multiple breaks in her left leg, shattered her kneecap and broke her hip, the kneecap is able to be surgically repaired but she is going to have hip replacement surgery either Wednesday or Thursday this week. So, needless to say things have been a bit busy/rough for me in my personal life the past few weeks, that is not an excuse, that is a simple statement of facts.
Okay, so here is the good news!
I have talked to Jon over at Witchdoctor Customs and he will be handling the final finishing and distribution of this production run and all future production. I am also sending him all the emails and private messages from people who wish to purchase these fantastic looking tips.
I have decided that Mr. Wizards Billet Creations will only be a design and prototyping house concentrating specifically on products for Victory motorcycles and will no longer be a manufacturer due to the time constraints being put upon me by my rapidly increasing (we've had the best 4th quarter in the past 6 years) primary business of manufacturing the best cutting tools in the engineered wood products industry.
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| I would like to publicly thank Richard for turning this project over to me and look forward to working with him in 2013.
Richard will continue to do prototyping and create some great innovative products that everyone will like. Witchdoctor's will take over all the manufacturing of the items from machining to packaging and see them through to a finished retail product. This agreement between "Mr Wizard" and Witchdoctor's shows the Victory community that vendors can work together for the betterment of the brand and still provide you, the customer, with top quality parts at an affordable price while maintaining the highest level of customer service available in the Victory aftermarket.
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR YOU?
My first goal is to get the tips out to everyone who wants a set. Once I receive them they will be sent off to polish and plating. If you have ever seen our chrome you know the quality is top notch and we even offer a 2 year warranty from flaking or pitting. And YES that is even on our exhaust tips!
My target date to have them ready is Feb 9th. As soon as they are ready I will post the prices and all the information on our website. I have a list of emails of people who already have inquired previously about getting a set. You will be contacted by me near the end of January as to give you first chance at getting a set. I do not know a cost yet until I can get my cost on chroming. I will do my best to keep the price the same as what Mr. Wizard was offering them at.
If you have any questions please email me at jwitchdoctor@aol.com and I'll do my best to provide you with an answer.
Thank You
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Simi Valley, CA | Great news Jon! I know a lot of riders out there that see mine on my bike and want them for theirs as well. In fact I just got an email from a guy in Australia that saw my bike on the internet and wants the exhaust tips for his Vision too! |
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Henlow, Bedfordshire, England | Richard, you have had a crap time by the sound of it and I hope your mum is ok, you have become the victim of such a great design and product as it definitely is - mine have always been admired.
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Cicero, Indiana | I will say Jon is top notch!after meeting him at lil sturgis this last year and shooting the BS with that weekend he knows his stuff and his stuff is top notch! |
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| Sorry for the rough patch. Glad business is picking up though. |
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| Just wanted to give everyone an update- GOOD NEWS!! I received the tips and have sent a batch to the chromer. I will also have some sets in black powder coat mid next week. I'll post up the costs as soon as I can. |
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| a few questions. can someone post a pic of the backside of the tips? do they mount with the existing 3 bolts? And how do i order these? Thank You |
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Henlow, Bedfordshire, England | Havent got a pic of one but they slide straight in and use the same 3 bolts |
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| Witchdoctors "Jet Style" exhaust tips for Vision and Cross Bikes.
Originally designed by "Mr Wizard" these tips are a sight to behold. A solid chunk of billet aluminum is machined into this master piece to resemble a jet engine. Two style are available, black with contrast cuts and triple show chrome so you can choose the style you like. They bolt on with the same bolts used to hold on your stock tips and work with all stock and Witchdoctors mufflers.
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Simi Valley, CA | These sure are pretty! Are they one piece? |
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| The bullet tip screws on. Other than that the big piece is all one piece. |
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| me me me me me I want. Do we orer here or through here or your web sight plus can we get the base in chrome and the tip in black I didn't see how you can pick it just shows the black one on your web sight. |
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New Orleans, La, | This question is for anyone that cares to answer. The qriginal black tips were they annodized, powder coated, or black chromed? Just asking. |
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| Jon, great job in the finishing, the contrast cut looks fantastic!
One thing though, I DID NOT design these tips, that honor goes to Bluto, also a member of the board here, I was only going to manufacture them and distribute them, due to my primary business picking up so much in the last 5 months that honor now goes to you and you look to have things well in hand!
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| Note, the only change I made on these was to blunt the point of the bullet a bit, I had heard back from a few people including a couple of my friends who had mistakenly bumped the tips with their shins that the bullets with just a little too pointy! LOL |
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Simi Valley, CA | I have holes in my jeans too. But I love the sharp look |
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| TIm, it wasn't so much the holes in the jeans that concerned me as the holes and scars in people's shins that made me nervous! |
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| Right now I only have the black on the website. Chrome should be hopefully end of next week. I was not going to offer them with different tips but if enough people want it that way I will make it an option. |
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Stockton, California | Jon,
I have a practical question. I like the chrome ones but I am wondering how dirty they get. Will all the fluted sections on the inside get black? I think it would be a pain to clean all the time. I have a white Vision and am not sure if the black ones will look as good but it seems like they would be much easier to keep clean. |
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Broken Arrow, OK | couple sprays of S100 total cycle cleaner. spray it right inside the tips then hose off. This or similar product is a must to keep these or gatlin tips looking good!
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Carlisle, PA | They look great! I'd love a set!!
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| Chrome will be on the website today!! |
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| hey Witchdoctor I've been looking for the chrome tips on your sight but haven't seen them I have to get them before we spend the money on something stupid like food. |
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| hey Witchdoctor I've been looking for the chrome tips on your sight but haven't seen them I have to get them before we spend the money on something stupid like food. |
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| I keep looking for the chrome tips . But no sign of them yet . |
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Theodore, AL United States | I gotta beat this old dead horse a little bit ... I just got my Vision a few weeks ago and stumbled across these tips. Are there any plans of producing these again? Chrome? I checked Witchdoctor's Site and there's nothing there. |
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Great Mills, MD | I also like them, but couldn't find them on the site either. |
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| Scott, get a hold of Jon at Witchdoctors and he should be able to set you up. I know he was planning another run if interest continues to be high enough. |
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| Thats true. If there is enough interest we will run another batch. |
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| Hello Witchdoctor,I would really appreciate a pair of chrome jet exhaust tips.England awaits,thanks |
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| <p>gatlin tips are so easy to clean wet or dry. I went to dollar sore and found LA Aw some degrease for a $1.00 this stuff is great. Better then great. Spray on rag wipe suit off exhaust tips. Spry on frame motor oil spots on garage flood oil and grease come right off. For a dollar it beats the other cleaner hands down</p><p><a href="http://www.lastotallyawesome.com/html/Products_Degreaser.html">http://www.lastotallyawesome.com/html/Products_Degreaser.html</a></p><p> </p>
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| Jet style exhaust tips chrome style.
I did not see these on your web site, are they available currently? Or, are there plans for more in the future?
Please let me know if possible at emai address: attenuated@aol.com
Thanks,
J J. Aka Attenuated
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| Attenuated - 2015-03-22 12:45 AM Jet style exhaust tips chrome style. I did not see these on your web site, are they available currently? Or, are there plans for more in the future? Please let me know if possible at emai address: attenuated@aol.com Thanks, J J. Aka Attenuated why didn't you start a new post or go do a search on the net. now were sapose to take time and write you instead of you coming back here and seeing what we have to say. |
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| I read through the old post and searched but I could not find the information.
Sorry for the confusion. I will try to start a new post.
J J. aka Attenuated |
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