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hgrail
Posted 2011-12-15 11:11 AM (#103433)
Subject: Has anyone converted their Vision clutch over to cable?


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 40

Has anyone converted their Vision clutch over to a cable actuated clutch?

 I've got a shoulder injury that is kicking my butt every time I ride - and I really need to lighten up that cluctch pull as much as I can.

 Step 2 would be an ez-clutch or something similar.

 If anyone can let me know what parts are compatable and would be really helpful.  I read somewhere the Barnett clutch cable had a smoother pull than stock - so that is on the shopping list as well.

 Thanks-

John

 

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johnnyvision
Posted 2011-12-15 11:48 AM (#103437 - in reply to #103433)
Subject: Re: Has anyone converted their Vision clutch over to cable?


Visionary

Posts: 4278
So tell us more about your shoulder hurting. Have you tried some kinda work out. I use to have bad middle of the shoulder pain that felt like a knife was being pushed in. I would get to the point where I could not move my head I hurt so bad. A personal trainer told me what to do and now I can ride for hours with no pain. I'm sure a Barnett would not be lighter to pull. Go to a dealer and pull a XC you'll find a cable pulls as hard as what you have now. Ez-clutch is a cheap price and maybe help your pull. Where do you live? Maybe some one close by might have a EZ- pull you could try.

Edited by john frey 2011-12-15 11:49 AM
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hgrail
Posted 2011-12-15 8:13 PM (#103477 - in reply to #103433)
Subject: Re: Has anyone converted their Vision clutch over to cable?


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 40
Hey John,
Its a problem with the scapula muscle under my shoulder blade. Seen the doc a bunch of times - all they ever did was shoot the joint up with cortizone. Have had much better luck using massage therapy, stretching and acupuncture - but still have to go easy on it for a while to come before it heals completely.

Unfortunately typing for work (have to do), playing saxophone (live to do) and riding the bike (want do do more of) all aggrivate it if I'm not careful . I'm taking whatever steps I need to do to help heal - and making the clutch pull easier is one of those steps.

Any tips are appreciated (primarily on the clutch for the here and now). Thanks,
John
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varyder
Posted 2011-12-15 8:17 PM (#103479 - in reply to #103433)
Subject: Re: Has anyone converted their Vision clutch over to cable?


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA
I think you can get the complete package for the Vision 8-Ball. You may have look into what it takes, and I might be wrong. I didn't look that close when I rode one a few years ago.
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dcramer
Posted 2011-12-15 11:55 PM (#103489 - in reply to #103433)
Subject: Re: Has anyone converted their Vision clutch over to cable?


Cruiser

Posts: 51
Edmonton AB, Canada
I had something similar with my right shoulder and was really worried it would bother my riding.
Physiotherapy exercises helped out.
The only pain I get riding the Vision is right between my shoulder blades from keeping my arms up.
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RedRider
Posted 2011-12-16 5:17 AM (#103500 - in reply to #103433)
Subject: Re: Has anyone converted their Vision clutch over to cable?


Visionary

Posts: 1350
I wonder if a twist clutch grip could be adapted to the Vision? Check out Exile Cycle. Russel puts them on his bikes.
Also look for companies that make clutch assemblies for handicap people. I have seen several different styles for people that have lost there left hands. You would be amazed what inventions you see at Sturgis.
I don't see a cable or EZ clutch making enough difference for you but what do I know. O.o
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hgrail
Posted 2011-12-16 9:19 AM (#103528 - in reply to #103433)
Subject: Re: Has anyone converted their Vision clutch over to cable?


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 40
The twist grip is a good idea - I may look into that. I didn't even know it existed. I would be a neat looking mod as well - which is always a plus of course.

I've been to Sturgis but usually tend to go when it is empty (I'm not a people person apparently).
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radioteacher
Posted 2011-12-16 10:10 AM (#103540 - in reply to #103433)
Subject: Re: Has anyone converted their Vision clutch over to cable?


Visionary

Posts: 3006
San Antonio, TX
Why can't someone who understands the Hydraulic Clutch on the Vision explain to why the pull is as heavy as it is.

Lets face it, if the Hydraulic brake lever on the right was replaced with a cable equivalent we would never be able to get any decent stopping power out of the front discs with just the power in our hands.

What makes the pull as hard as it is? Why can't parts be changed out to make it better with less pull weight?

Really, I have take a a HD CVO for a spin that has a Hydraulic clutch. It is fantastic! I wider lever with a shorter lighter pull. Holding it in at a light after a long ride is no issue. The release is very predictable.

Go to your local HD dealer and check it out.

For the life of me I do not know why Visions have such a long and heavy pull for a Hydraulic clutch.

Ride Safe



Edited by radioteacher 2011-12-16 10:11 AM
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johnnyvision
Posted 2011-12-16 11:22 AM (#103547 - in reply to #103433)
Subject: Re: Has anyone converted their Vision clutch over to cable?


Visionary

Posts: 4278
To get a litter pull on the clutch the metric bikes have the answer. Reason being is they use more clutch plates with a longer rod for the throw.
HD uses a lighter diaphragm clutch spring thats how they have a easier pull. At one time I tried to find out spring pull pressure cause HD uses the same style spring as we do. I was told we have way to much torque. I do think we could change but couldn't find any one willing to help me. If I had a new clutch spring I think I have a company that could help us out.
hgrail I don't know where you live but call Barnett and talk to a tech he just might help if you tell him of your shoulder problem.
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Lotzafun
Posted 2011-12-16 1:44 PM (#103560 - in reply to #103433)
Subject: Re: Has anyone converted their Vision clutch over to cable?


Iron Butt

Posts: 935
Rockford, IL
Wouldn't think it would to difficult to fit a Pingel electronic shift kit....... http://www.pingelonline.com/eshifter_universal.htm
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hgrail
Posted 2011-12-18 2:24 PM (#103647 - in reply to #103433)
Subject: Re: Has anyone converted their Vision clutch over to cable?


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 40
Neat idea - but kind of pricey. An electronic clutch would be interesting - but I wonder if something would be lost due to lack of feedback?

Once moving it's probl a non - issue.
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johnnyvision
Posted 2011-12-18 3:51 PM (#103649 - in reply to #103433)
Subject: Re: Has anyone converted their Vision clutch over to cable?


Visionary

Posts: 4278
If I'm right the bike shuts off for a split second with the pingel shifter
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victoryvisiontour
Posted 2011-12-18 6:56 PM (#103657 - in reply to #103433)
Subject: Re: Has anyone converted their Vision clutch over to cable?


Iron Butt

Posts: 763
Anderson, IN (48mi NE of downtown Indianapolis)
Will an auto-clutch help you? I have ridden bikes with them and they are so easy to ride. This place claims they will make one for any bike.
http://www.efmautoclutch.com/

Another option is softer spring force. I replaced springs in a bike with impossible clutch pull a few years ago. I used springs from the same motor, but smaller displacement. Worked great.

Another thing that helps is greasing the pivot. Completely clean then grease both the pivot and the plunger. It won't make a huge difference, but it does help a little bit.
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johnnyvision
Posted 2011-12-19 12:15 PM (#103674 - in reply to #103433)
Subject: Re: Has anyone converted their Vision clutch over to cable?


Visionary

Posts: 4278
EFM auto clutch looks pretty good. The price isn't bad for what your getting.
Only question would be how does it work in stop an go traffic. You know where your with eight of your buddy's and just creeping into a town full of bikes.
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okie vision
Posted 2011-12-21 1:33 PM (#103815 - in reply to #103433)
Subject: RE: Has anyone converted their Vision clutch over to cable?


Iron Butt

Posts: 752
Broken Arrow, OK
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Easy-Pull-clutch-Victory-Motorcycle-/140589...
40589951242&pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr


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MaddMAx2u
Posted 2011-12-27 5:30 AM (#104168 - in reply to #103433)
Subject: Re: Has anyone converted their Vision clutch over to cable?


Iron Butt

Posts: 880
Orlando, FL
After buying my 8 Ball I noticed that it had a cable, not a hydraulic clutch. I was VERY disappointed. I mentioned it to the dealer wrench, and he said that it really didn't matter as the hydraulic clutch Vic uses on the Vision only runs to the case and then is "cable" from there, rather than being a true hydraulic clutch all the way to the clutch plates. Therefore, he said there really is not gained benefit. It's all greek to me.
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victoryvisiontour
Posted 2011-12-27 8:57 AM (#104171 - in reply to #103433)
Subject: Re: Has anyone converted their Vision clutch over to cable?


Iron Butt

Posts: 763
Anderson, IN (48mi NE of downtown Indianapolis)
It does not make sense to me why the clutch is only partially hydraulic. One of the huge benefits of hydraulic is easier clutch pull. So why only half hydraulic which results in the same clutch pull as cable??? I was really surprised when I first saw that. I'm guessing it would cost too much to modify the motor so they just used a bolt-on master cylinder and left the existing motor as-is.
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johnnyvision
Posted 2011-12-27 12:02 PM (#104179 - in reply to #103433)
Subject: Re: Has anyone converted their Vision clutch over to cable?


Visionary

Posts: 4278
First off the motor has nothing to do with the clutch. The hydraulic clutch is maintenance free to speak of thats why they put it on the bikes. Good selling feature. (You still lube the pivot arm and lever) The hydraulic master cylinder line goes to a actuator that operates the the clutch pivot arm. Witch is on the out side of the primary instead of being on the in side. Inside outside would make no difference. The victory hydraulic clutch pulls about the same as the cable clutch. The Japaneses hydraulic clutch pulls 100 times easier cause they use more clutch plates same as harley try's to do. Victory dealers say you can't use a litter clutch spring cause of all the torque the 106 motor makes. I think you could use a litter spring for stock motors but you would have to find out the spring pressure and then go from there. I do think the victory cable clutch could be a littler easier if the cable was longer with bigger loops in stead of sharp bends.

Edited by john frey 2011-12-27 12:03 PM
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varyder
Posted 2011-12-27 12:12 PM (#104181 - in reply to #103433)
Subject: Re: Has anyone converted their Vision clutch over to cable?


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA
There was a trick folks tried to bring the lever in more by bending it, CAREFULLY! Hopefully though, Victory will copy the Indian that has an adjustable clutch lever that is like the brake lever adjuster. I think that would do the trick provided it didn't add to wear by not fully disengaging the clutch. I have a debilitating condition in my left hand but so far it does not hinder my clutch actuation except in extreme cold. I'm thinking of alternatives myself and hope that Victory will do that for me.
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