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varyder
Posted 2012-02-28 4:48 AM (#108803)
Subject: Clutch and gaskets


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA

Yes! thanks for the input Kevin in the other thread, definitely a reassurance this bike is VaRyder proof.

A question was posed in another thread on high-mileage Vics and clutches. It was also pointed out by KevinX the bullet-proofness of these engines - his comments:

A high mileage Vic is not a high mileage engine. The bottom end, and trans have more in common with the design of a Subaru; then they do with any other motorcycle. Above that is a NikASil plated cyl, that shows virtually no wear at 100k. Properly maintained, and not overly beat on. There is no reason these engines could not easily make 200k. Syd is approaching 150,000 on a 92 that has not so much as had the primary off. I rode it for a week when it had 125 on the clock, and it ran, no it purred as good as new. So if I was Varyder. I would lay it over, pop in a complete clutch assy, and put on the next 100k
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So my response to that for the time is that I'm returning to MaVic oil, but I've got to pick up one more quart so I may be riding to Chesapeake the weekend. But the clutch slippage is ever so slight, if I'm really noticing it at all. I'm currently running a full-syn and have been most of the life of the bike and the umpteen oil-changes with zero issues that I know of.  It just started very recently and I'm due a 5,000 oil change today! My suspicion is that I'll go the other 200,000 miles if I stay to Vic oil here on. What I have found is the motor runs much quieter than the earlier days, a problem I had when reaching on or around 2,000 miles on the Vic oil.  I'm hoping to go at least 3,000 miles on the Vic without all the noise now.

I guess my real question would be, there is zero leakage today, would it make sense to throw a torque wrench on anything to ensure things remain tight to keep leaks from forming because of deteriorating gaskets?

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glighto11
Posted 2012-02-28 10:08 AM (#108811 - in reply to #108803)
Subject: Re: Clutch and gaskets


Iron Butt

Posts: 741
Central New York
Interesting post, worth following to see where it goes.

But I am not clear on your rational for switching from an oil type that has served you well for 100k to an oil that dissatisfied you in the beginning.

I would first inquire whether or not 100% Vic oil usage has ever carried an engine over the 100k mark.
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varyder
Posted 2012-02-28 11:14 AM (#108814 - in reply to #108803)
Subject: Re: Clutch and gaskets


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA
I'm going off the theory that a semi dino-oil is "stickier" than a full-syn. I've never noticed any slippage previously so I never gave it a thought to switch. However, feeling the faint slippage, perhaps my imagination, I'm inclined to put the dino-syn to the test. My dislike for the Vic oil was what was preceived longevity, at 2,000 miles the motor would make ticking and tacking noises and the shifting became noticably notchy. At 2,500 to 3,000 miles the motor was making plenty of noise to the point it was relief to change the oil. The full syn never did that with my motor, even up to and exceeding 5,000 miles. Now at the point of wanting to put more life to the clutch, and to see if I can now feel a tighter clutch. The bottom line maybe that I'm knocking at the door to just replace it and be done.

And yes, I believe there are die-hard, never used anything but, Vic oil users in excess of 100,000 miles.
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handyhiker
Posted 2012-02-28 1:39 PM (#108822 - in reply to #108803)
Subject: Re: Clutch and gaskets


Cruiser

Posts: 258
Akron, Ohio
Might want to try a different synthetic or a blend of your current oil and Victory.
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Arkainzeye
Posted 2012-02-28 2:02 PM (#108823 - in reply to #108811)
Subject: Re: Clutch and gaskets


Visionary

Posts: 3773
Pittsburgh, PA
glighto11 - 2012-02-28 10:08 AM

Interesting post, worth following to see where it goes.

But I am not clear on your rational for switching from an oil type that has served you well for 100k to an oil that dissatisfied you in the beginning.

I would first inquire whether or not 100% Vic oil usage has ever carried an engine over the 100k mark.


+1
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varyder
Posted 2012-03-17 7:23 PM (#110303 - in reply to #108823)
Subject: Re: Clutch and gaskets


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA

Arkainzeye - 2012-02-28 3:02 PM glighto11 - 2012-02-28 10:08 AM Interesting post, worth following to see where it goes. But I am not clear on your rational for switching from an oil type that has served you well for 100k to an oil that dissatisfied you in the beginning. I would first inquire whether or not 100% Vic oil usage has ever carried an engine over the 100k mark. +1

Yes, I know of one Victory motor that has over 125,000 miles on 100% Vic Oil.  No clutch problems at all.

I'm going to live with it, but the Vic rattle is back, subtle, but and indicator that it will let me know when 2,000 miles comes along. All is good.

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pollolittle
Posted 2012-03-17 8:48 PM (#110308 - in reply to #108803)
Subject: Re: Clutch and gaskets


Visionary

Posts: 2027
Brighton, TN
I wonder if your clutch handle is releasing all the way. Mine is not so I'm breaking the master cylinder open to check the spring and clean it up.
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varyder
Posted 2012-03-17 8:53 PM (#110309 - in reply to #108803)
Subject: Re: Clutch and gaskets


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA
I just changed my fluid today, and it seems okay, I'll have ride it out a week and see what it does, that may have been it. Before changing the fluid, at the slightest movement the clutch would begin to release. Now, that doesn't do that, so that might be it.
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pollolittle
Posted 2012-03-17 9:06 PM (#110312 - in reply to #108803)
Subject: Re: Clutch and gaskets


Visionary

Posts: 2027
Brighton, TN
Similar, my clutch handle was releasing right off the grip when warm. And over 1/2 inch or more of play at themselves of the handle. Seems I was getting a lot of grinding trying to shift everynow and then.
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varyder
Posted 2012-03-18 8:50 PM (#110386 - in reply to #110312)
Subject: Re: Clutch and gaskets


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA

pollolittle - 2012-03-17 10:06 PM Similar, my clutch handle was releasing right off the grip when warm. And over 1/2 inch or more of play at themselves of the handle. Seems I was getting a lot of grinding trying to shift everynow and then.

Yes Chickenator, it seemed to have been it. The clutch is acting much, much better, and it doesn't release now off the handle.  It was well past due to change the fluid.  It's too easy to change not to do it more often.

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johnnyvision
Posted 2012-03-19 5:51 PM (#110451 - in reply to #108803)
Subject: Re: Clutch and gaskets


Visionary

Posts: 4278
Even the manual tells you to lube the lever and if you wash it a lot or riding in the rain you need to lube it.

I wounder if your going from synthetic to regular oil how long does it take to drain the synthetic out
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pollolittle
Posted 2012-03-19 7:25 PM (#110458 - in reply to #108803)
Subject: Re: Clutch and gaskets


Visionary

Posts: 2027
Brighton, TN
I've bled the fluid thru a couple of times, getting clean fluid out but not getting any improvement, feeling technically challenged.
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