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New Bohemia, VA | RhodeTrip - 2012-11-23 2:44 PM Engineers have designed racked front ends, bigger front tires, lowering kits and yes, approved 2up riding all of which have an adverse effect on handling; so they aren't perfect either. Lets face it folks we ride for many reasons but for most of us it brings a sense of peace and a feeling of freedom; if we wanted to play it safe we would have bought a bubble to live in. Ride your own way and most importantly, ride within the limits of your equipment and skills. Jim Will this point ever get across... +1 |
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Orlando, FL | Monkeyman - 2012-11-23 12:11 PM
ATTENTION MAX! I've changed my mind. I now agree with everything you've said. Oh. And, grow up.
Thank goodness. Cause for a while I thought you might actually back up all the ridiculous claims you have made, and you have made quite a few. As for growing up........NEVER!!!
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | Since when did Darth Vader ever care about bureaucracy? |
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, WI | Monkeyman - 2012-11-20 3:01 AM Better in some conditions. Proven fact. Yes. 
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Buford, GA United States | Can we take a break and now have a civil discussion about what motor oil to use??? |
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| While I totally agree that CTs have their constructive use on the back of some street motorcycles, and are no doubt safe enough, the idea that a CT out brakes, out accelerates, or out handles an MT is total crap. If any of that were even remotely true, you would see CT on the AMA road racing circuit. These guys would do anything to gain an advantage on the track, yet not a single one uses a CT. The reason? They do not handle "better", brake "better", or accelerate "better". The additional unsprung weight may give the illusion of better traction, but physics says otherwise. |
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| Turk: You are way off base on the braking, don't know about the exceleration. Never excelerated hard anuff to brake the rear tire loose. But I sure have braked hard anuff to lock up the rear tire with the MT on (many times)! Now with the CT I get much quicker stops with out any rear tie lockup! The prof is in the pudding (should I say stopping distance)!!! |
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New Bohemia, VA | If you were locking up your rear tire "many times", the tire weren't the problem. In 130,000 miles of riding I've locked up the rear tire, I don't ride like an angel...I need them though... |
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| Guess you don't make quick stops, can't go through those yellow lites in KY |
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New Bohemia, VA | Made plenty of quick stops, just don't lock it up. First skill I learned on independent brakes. Locked it up once on that bike and saved my A from going over a stopped car, but had little choice, and did it in a straight line too. |
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Jasper, MO | Turk - 2012-11-24 8:16 AM
While I totally agree that CTs have their constructive use on the back of some street motorcycles, and are no doubt safe enough, the idea that a CT out brakes, out accelerates, or out handles an MT is total crap. If any of that were even remotely true, you would see CT on the AMA road racing circuit. These guys would do anything to gain an advantage on the track, yet not a single one uses a CT. The reason? They do not handle "better", brake "better", or accelerate "better". The additional unsprung weight may give the illusion of better traction, but physics says otherwise.
I've never had a CT on a street bike, but they are commonly used on drag bikes for their superior traction over a MT. It stands to reason that applying the forces in the other direction (braking) would also be better from the CT. I have no idea how the handling compares in the corners between a CT and a MT, since the only corners I made on my drag bike were at the end of the track and onto the return road at a slow speed.
I can and have broken the rear tire loose on the street on my Vision and even on the drag strip when the track had not been prepped.
The bikes run on the AMA road racing circuit use very soft and very sticky tires that wouldn't last over 2000 miles on a street bike. Apples and Oranges comparison.
I've not tried it on a street bike myself, but lot's of Goldwing and Valkyrie riders have been using them for years. I'm open minded about it.
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, WI | If my rides lasted less than an hour and I rode on a closed course I would run AMA slicks. My rides last a little longer than that. This is one of my co-workers brother. Playing with his BMW S1000RR on track days at Road America. We do have somethings in common. We both ride motorcycles. I think he's crazy and he thinks I'm crazy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C34QpKrgwz0 . |
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Central Wisconsin | Rollin' - 2012-11-24 6:19 PM...I think he's crazy and he thinks I'm crazy. WOW! Johnny is CRAZY fast, was fun to watch ;-) |
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | If I took my tipovers off and put a MT back on, could I do that? That was a blast to watch!
The lastest disposable tech toy to hit the market is the 'In car HD DVR'. Kinda like a GoPro, but only $25 and motion activated. You permanently mount them to your vehicle, put in a 32gig SD card, and it continually loops all your drive time. Got one coming this month, now I just need a track, and a MT, probably better brakes, a lighter weight frame, full leather suit might come in handy, I guess a bigger set of balls might do the trick also.
I'm starting to think the CT isn't what's holding me back. |
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huntington In. | I don't normaly get into this kind of discussion, but seems to me that common sence should tell me that due to the larger contact patch , that straight lineacceleration and braking would be better. I would think the weakness in a ct would show up in corning, inparticular at lean in. |
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