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| metalguy - 2008-08-02 10:34 AM
hmmm...I have followed this idea with great interest! A waterjet could be used to cut the panels without distortion, but just where to cut is what I want to know!! ----Metalguy
Or...... You could use a nibbler, they cut with minimal distortion.
http://www.irvansmith.com/scart/nibbler-manual-p-960.html |
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Cruiser
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Santa Maria CA | Tom Doc here, I have a oil temp dipstick, you could use it to check what temp the oil is. I am using amsoil right and it runs about 210 to 220 when it is hot out, like today ride. Got your email. I was riding with the touring ELKS of Santa Maria today. Was that you at lake Chuma lake dam today? As i was leaving the dam a vision was coming in. I don't see many vision on the cebtral coast. |
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| Doc, no not me i spent the day with Judy church/lunch/ plants ...then messed around with the swoosh cowlings on my bike. i penceled in where i plan to precision cut them probably 2 inches from bottom to conture up toward the swoosh..nike ? i am so happy that it was cool as a cucumber, road 2 hrs. out toward cuama 105 temp it was really nice to have that air on my ankle and calf. my road king never bothers me with heat so believe me when i say this vision was ..was hot . so it may not look as good when im done but o well. tom |
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Iron Butt
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| Tom, Do you think the cowling mod is just cooling your leg more by adding some more air flow, or is it cooling down the engine? Victory sells a temp oil dipstcik for @ 50 bucks. I have been using it and the most I have seen mine go up is 250 degrees. It mostly stays between 200 and 220.
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VA | When I first heard this idea, I thought they were talking about cutting the metal behind the front wheel. Now I see it's the "swoosh" near the leg. I can see how this might improve air flow, but has anyone removed anything behind the front wheel to see if they could force more air past the cylinders? Something to help scoop air and blow it past the cylinders and exhaust? Just curious. |
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Iron Butt
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| If you look at the left side of the bike, there is at least 4 inches between the swoosh and the cylinder head. This allows air to pass down the left side of the cylinder head. On the right side, the swoosh actually blocks the cylinder head, thus not allowing air to pass down the side of the right side of the cylinder head.
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | I wonder if a big funnel in the front to force more air through will help? Personnally, I think the right side swoosh could be trimmed back but the left allows maximum air to go through the oil cooler, I think. I'm no engineer, and don't play one on T.V., but I have slept in a Holiday Inn Express a time or two. I think there needs someone to look into how the air flow will change in the bigger picture and not just for creature comfort. I would rather put up with a few degrees of heat then have a burnt up motor. Though it may seem to be an insignificant change it could have a big impact. I guess someone with one of those tempature gun thingies could do some research for the rest of us. Maybe I'm trusting the design engineers to have developed the right mix with a small compromise to the rider in the heat arena. |
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San Antonio, TX | I do not understand why they would block the air flow to the right side of the front cylinder or the left edge of the oil cooler with the inner fairings. I think that both inner fairings could be cut back to allow better air flow around the engine and oil cooler. I am thinking about removing about an inch and a half from both sides of the inner fairings that are blocking the air flow to these areas.
All one has to do to see the issue is look at the front of the Vision at the ground level past the front tire.
Edited by radioteacher 2008-08-04 10:49 AM
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| i will be riding thru the desert today 3 hrs w/o either swoosh cowling on, i will report back this pm but over the weekend i went 2 hrs with the right swoosh off 100+ it was great the air went right thru and over my ankle and calf it kept the heat from building up down there,i dont worry about the engine running hotter due to removal , because my road kind has no faring and runs fine for years... tom |
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New Bohemia, VA | tom - 2008-08-04 10:57 AM i will be riding thru the desert today 3 hrs w/o either swoosh cowling on, i will report back this pm but over the weekend i went 2 hrs with the right swoosh off 100+ it was great the air went right thru and over my ankle and calf it kept the heat from building up down there,i dont worry about the engine running hotter due to removal , because my road kind has no faring and runs fine for years... tom From a laymans standpoint, or village idiot in my case it seems simple enough. I just wonder if the faring is just a cover over the fuel tank, frame and wiring and they had to naturally put a hole in it to get some air over the motor or if there is some engineering to maximize the airflow as well. If not, then it opens up for even more customizing without compromise. My curosity has me going here as to whether design has function, or is it merely design. |
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Puddle Jumper
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Gilbert, AZ | I think all the ideas here for getting more air on your legs is great for the warm months, but what are you going to do this winter when it gets cold and all that cold air is blowing across your legs? Just thinking ahead here.... |
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| whiskey...i dont know? ive riden harleys for 39 years w.o any faring rain snow sun. not worried. tom |
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Visionary
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San Antonio, TX | With heated seats and grips or just the correct riding gear, cold weather riding will not be much of an issue in South Texas. We do have four seasons down here.
Fall, Spring, Summer and August.
I like the Vision as it is but I do see room for improvement in terms of airflow on both sides of the engine. I will modify both of my original inner fairings where they block the airflow to the right side of the front jug and the left side of the oil cooler.
It is difficult to make a motorcycle that works the same in the cold Fairbanks and the heat San Antonio. The Vision sure get the job done for me. I ride it almost every day to work. |
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Cruiser
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| are there louvres which could be put in the swooshes and then blocked off in the winter. we only have 3 seasons here. winter, almost winter and summer weekend. |
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Tourer
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northwest florida | anyone use Baker airwings? |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | When I was looking at the swooshes a little while ago I was wondering if, instead of knocking off an inch or two, why not cut a design along the edge with that fancy cutter thing. That will allow more air to flow through and make the bike truly unique.
Edited by varyder 2008-08-05 2:26 PM
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Cruiser
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| when i rode with both sides removed the left side was no change. i might only cut the right side or cut in a vent or luver |
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Cruiser
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Leander,Texas | Oil filter does reduce a little heat but heat issue is there still...sorry guy i put it on and it does some reduction but not 30 degrees for sure. |
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rhode island | lower wind deflectors, try them you'll love them heat won't be an issue.
and you can put the sawzall away.
cutting up the vision is like bad plastic surgery on a beautiful woman. |
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Iron Butt
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| sandman - 2008-08-11 12:16 PM lower wind deflectors, try them you'll love them heat won't be an issue. and you can put the sawzall away. cutting up the vision is like bad plastic surgery on a beautiful woman. True, but the plastic wind deflectors look like a BAD BOOB JOB. 
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rhode island | LOL you can alway's remove these boobs, a little harder undoing a bad hack job. 
Edited by sandman 2008-08-11 8:29 PM
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too hot to handle
