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Gettysburg, 2008 Tour Premium | Oh the kill swith on the BMW was sort of self cleaning and could be made right again by working back and forth a bunch when bike turned off. |
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| Just went to the dealer in Lansing and they claim there's nothing wrong. When i was getting off the freeway and pulled the clutch in to shift to 5th it stalled once again. This is a really frustrating issue for me and it should be for all of us, one of these times someone is going to get killed and Victory will have to answer for it then. Is it just the 2008's? The dealer in Lansing says they have had only one other complaint and that it was one of the early run 2008's. One other thing that blew me away was that i have a tip on the pipe "blueing" and they said they would need to keep the bike for at least a week. FOR A TIP, ARE YOU KIDDING ME? It's june. order a new one then call me when it comes in. The guy's quick fix was to give me Gattlin' Gun tips for there cost. Anyway if anyone has any luck or more info on the stalling that would be great. THANKS... |
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New Bohemia, VA | mgoblue, Your frustration is my frustration. I'm days away of pulling the bike into the hanger and taking off the exhaust when I do the belt and tires. I'm going to replace all the gaskets and check around the intake as well. The symptoms are very relevant to a leak in the intake (vacuum) or exhaust, yet all the 'perts say it is entirely electronic with the mapping of the EFI and O2 sensors causing a sudden lean mixture that kills the bike, or something like that.
I say that may be true with some bikes, and might be with mine, but I want to eliminate the leaks before going anywhere else. Yes, I have found leaks and when addressed dramatically improves the bikes performance and nearly eliminates the pop or stall issue. If mine is both, then I would want to make sure all other conditions are right before addressing the electronic gizmo's.
You might ask why doin't I take it to my dealer? Well, I have about 3 maybe 4 times about this very issue, however, they swore they never got it to do it for them. But NOW, they are telling me ALL '08's do it including the other models and polaris has no fix for it. Hmmmmmmm. Anyway, I'm enjoying learning about the Freedom engine and hope to be smart as some of the others on this machine.
Once I'm off the runway and in full flight, the bike is a mean machine, it is just at the touch and go's and at landing or take off do I have to watch for the stall or pop. |
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Edmonton Alberta, Canada | A quick update on the gasoline, 10 days and 5 tanks of of non- SHELL gas, only popped once or twice, and not one stall while down shifting! Gatlin tips got polished up last weekend and are still clean and no black soot! For myself this was an easy fix! |
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New Bohemia, VA | Thanks norcan for your input. I don't use shell in mine, mostly run sunoco or at the local mom and pop store. But I've never really could tell the difference in how the bike runs on different fuel, however the seafoam gives it a kick. But as KevinX says, it's high, well, not his exact words, on the alcohol. |
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So Cal | Occasionally I get a pop when upshifting only on light accell. Never on hard accell. Always from the right pipe. I cant help thinking there is a vacuum effect on the crossover pipe to the left exhaust. The gasses on their way to the left pipe are sucked back to the right when the throttle is suddenly released and, pop. |
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New Bohemia, VA | cjnoho - 2009-06-07 12:27 PM
Occasionally I get a pop when upshifting only on light accell. Never on hard accell. Always from the right pipe. I cant help thinking there is a vacuum effect on the crossover pipe to the left exhaust. The gasses on their way to the left pipe are sucked back to the right when the throttle is suddenly released and, pop.
CJ I follow you on this, but the question would be if all models of the '08s do as my dealer claims, what would cause it the other models without crossovers? I'm just throwing out thought as I'm trying to pinpoint the real problem, because if it is the electrogizmos then why won't Victory give us a new one? |
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seattle, wa | My bike pops out the exhuast as I upshift as well. It also has died on me a few times. It does it alot less now that the temps have gone up, in the winter time it is terrible, which leads me to believe it's a injection problem, maybe they have to run these bikes lean for some reason. I went to the dealer and he shrugged it off saying that they all do this. I also commented on the noise of the valve train, he said Victory engines are known to be louder than most. There has to be an answer.It's 2009 and they can't make a bike that doesn't backfire? We all know how much these bikes cost and they aren't cheap. No other brand has this type of problem that I know of. It will be interesting to see if there are any changes to the 2010s. |
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20 miles west of Chicago. | Exhaust tips bluing? That much heat all the way to the end of the pipe. I'd suspect a way lean mixture. |
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LaPorte,Tx. | mgoblue - 2009-06-07 4:10 AM
Just went to the dealer in Lansing and they claim there's nothing wrong. When i was getting off the freeway and pulled the clutch in to shift to 5th it stalled once again. This is a really frustrating issue for me and it should be for all of us, one of these times someone is going to get killed and Victory will have to answer for it then. Is it just the 2008's? The dealer in Lansing says they have had only one other complaint and that it was one of the early run 2008's. One other thing that blew me away was that i have a tip on the pipe "blueing" and they said they would need to keep the bike for at least a week. FOR A TIP, ARE YOU KIDDING ME? It's june. order a new one then call me when it comes in. The guy's quick fix was to give me Gattlin' Gun tips for there cost. Anyway if anyone has any luck or more info on the stalling that would be great. THANKS...
mgoblue, on the bluing of the tip, I'm pretty sure your talking about a discoloration of the chrome where the muffler tip meets up to the heat shield. This has been an issue in the past as there is a small amount of exhaust leakage at that seam. It is worse if you have the Stage 1 Level 1, as the opening of the muffler is actually larger than the stock tip opening. The Gatlin Tips do eliminate the discoloration as it is not fitted into the opening of the muffler. If they put on a new stock tip, then have them seal the area around the muffler opening with a high temp sealer.
I can't help you with the stalling as my '08 does not stall. Every once in awhile it will pop on a shift or decel. I did have more popping until I found an exhaust leak on the cross over, tightened the clamp and that pretty much cure the issue. One discussion last year was on riding habits and stalling. Folks that were used to "blipping" the throttle between shifts suffered more from stalls. It has to do with the quick roll off of the throttle and the motor going very lean. Anyway good luck in getting you problems solved. |
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| The blueing on the tip is on the right side only. I have the Big Honkers on mine and they are the second set. The first set, the tabs on the mufflers themselves the one on the left side broke because there was only 3 small tack welds on the bracket that the tips screw onto. Yeah that was nice to see my tip in my mirror bouncing down the road. Anyway about the stalling issue all you guys sound alot more, how sould i say technically advanced than i am. I mean i can change the oil and the general stuff but the finding of air leaks and such, you all sound more like techs with expierance. This is agreat site to have so many theories and expierenced fellow riders out there. My big thing is, man this bike comes off warrenty in sept. and i'm nowwhere near getting this issue resolved with Victory. Just found out that the dealer in Grand Rapids is about to go under also. I live within 15-20 minutes off Lake Michigan so my next closet dealers are Plymoth Ind. which i havn't even been to and Lansing. Thanks to all for the input and if anyone out there get's anywhere with Victory and stalling PLEASE post. |
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Ann Arbor, MI | mgoblue,
I'm the "one other person" that had Full Throttle in Lansing work on my stalling issue. They were clueless and it was a posting on here that led me to having them reflash mine (again). They had supposedly flashed it before but when I confronted them on the issue it turned out that they didn't have the correct software, program, or something, I forget now. When I installed the gatlin tips on mine I found they had broken one of the bolts when installing the stage 1. The broken bolt allowed leakage causing blueing of that tip. I have not been happy with the work performed there and will be trying the dealer in Belleville next time. |
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Gettysburg, 2008 Tour Premium | Fot those of you that are resealing the exhaust I would like to pass on a tip. On my last bike (H-D Ultra) I installed a set of Fuel Moto Jackpot mufflers that allowed minimal flow to the left muffler forcing the bike to act more like a 2-1. On decel the it was next to imposible to seal the muffler to crossover. Tried high temp silicone and they recomended copper seal-a-gasket. The Copper was better but not perfect. Harleys run clamps called Torka Clamps and they tighten down real tight but are disposable in that they recomend only using once. I was in the garage one day trying to find a solution to the backfiring when I had an idea. What I thought of is this: exhaust pieces are slip fit, one piece fits inside another. They have to be made so they not only fit once but for future R & R's so they have to allow for corosion, rust etc. What standard clamps do is try and squeeze one pipe small enough to seal against another over the entire width of the clamp. Now follow me on this....a good seal has to only be as wide as it needs to be to form a consistant good seal...1/32 inch should work to prevent leakage. What I did was take a used Torka clamp and moved it half off the muffler tip so half of it was now over the smaller diameter header pipe and tightened it down. It took less torque to secure a good fit and no more backfiring. I have not closely looked at the exhaust on the Vic's and this may be not even aplicable but it looks like they use similar clamps at least on some of the joints.
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| these are all great ideas. my problem is why doesn't Vic and there so called network of dealers take care of these STUPID problems. my issue with Vic is that i'm not having major mechanical issue's, just the stupid small one's that they pretend don't happen. are there engineers and tech's not able to resolve these issue's or is Vic just in for the sale??? |
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| G,day guys
I have bought an 08' Tour and have also found it stalling on decel' approaching lights, etc...there is only about 10 on the road in Australia at the moment so the dealers here are few and far between and we are all on a learning curve, thanks mgoblue, varyder, visiontex, norcam and all the others for all the info on what you have all been doing to rectify this issue. I have run it on nothing but 95+ percent octane since buying it and have changed providers from BP and Caltex all with the same result...still cutting out on decel' when gearing down approaching lights etc.....not all the time, but just enough to keep it interesting....I bought a Victory because Harley's have a crap rep' down under for reliability and was hoping this would be an American bike with a difference!!!! My local dealer is one of only about 6 - 8 in Australia, so other than him the next dealer is 1200klm's away, lucky he's a good operator and keen to work these things out.
Thanks to you yanks for finally building a bike for blokes over 6'2". I look forward to hearing on a solution to stop the cutting out but pretty confident that if you are having it over there and I'm having it over here, fuel mix quality etc won't be the issue. The ingnition switch or some electrical short would be my guess. I am able to pull the clutch in and start it immediately once it's cut out.
Until we are all able to sort it, will just learn to work with it as part of the character of the breed, if we have any break throughs down under will let you know...
Keep on riding...
Swampy.
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