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| My gear indicator has problems with first to third gear. The indicator is always off by one. I told my dealer about it. I guess Polaristar( extended warrenty company) will not pay for the diagnostic, just the repair. My dealer isn't happy charging me for the diagnostic. They called Victory and nobody denies that there have been some problems with the indicator. Is it safe to assume that it is either the bolt or the switch that is causing the problem? I was satisfied that my dealer is not happy with how I'm getting treated since I have the extended warrenty( bought the 5 year). |
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So Cal | I noticed when my indicator screws up it shifts funny also. Im convinced the bolt is my problem. Ive asked 2 dealers to replace the bolt with no takers. I have the primary gasket ordered and will change it myself next oil change. |
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| I didn't think of that! Sometimes the tranny drops into gear easily, sometimes it chunks really hard, and I mean hard. Going from nuetral to first is the biggest jolt. First to second gets a little better 2nd to third a little better, 4 and up slips in easy. I'll have to see if they're related. Did your dealers have the same problem? Mine called Victory after the warranty company didn't want to pay labor. Neither wants to pay the labor put recognize the problem. |
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So Cal | My dealers refused to listen to me. They want the bike longer than I care to leave it. I suspected the shift drum and then DWhite confirmed my suspisions. Its easier for me to pull the cover and replace the bolt myself at oil change time I have a grade 8 bolt sitting on the table. Service manual or parts manual gives the size cant remember which?
Edited by cjnoho 2009-07-27 9:42 PM
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Buffalo Grove,Ill | Which Bolt are you referring to ? |
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So Cal | The bolt is on the shift drum. Left side inside the primary cover. thats how the indicator switch gets its ground. |
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So Cal | I think its 15 & 16 drivetrain parts manual |
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So Cal | I think its 15 & 16 drivetrain parts manual |
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TUCSON, AZ | I have had the same problems with the shift indicator. The bolt being discussed is a slightly longer shoulder bolt. My dealer replaced it and the problem went away for a while. I had the opportunity to talk with one of Victory engineers in person and was to to have the "radio" reflashed. After having that done it helped but not a full cure. I suspect, but not proven, it may be the switch it self. Will continue to persue a cure. |
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So Cal | My primary is comming off sat. The manual states on pg. 19.17 that the ground path for the swich is through the starwheel and the detent roller. Hard to tell from pictures how the shift mechanism works. once I get in there Im sure it will be easier to figure out. It worked great for about five months when it was new. 5th & 6th still work great. I'll be playing close attention to the bolt that hold the star wheel and the detent roller on. Manual says to use blue loctite. Hard to make a ground connection through loctite. Maybe a small star type lockwasher?
Maybe even a wavewasher on the detent lever to increase the surface area for the ground. We'll see sat. |
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San Antonio, TX United States | Do make sure you have the proper bolt ordered from Victory. You will have wasted all of your time and effort no matter what you do if you put the same bolt back in that you took out. That is the whole issue. Tech support is aware of this. I have corrected one such Vision in the last year with your issue. I wish i was at work and could look the part number up for you and pass it on right now. |
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So Cal | Im looking at this as an exploritory experience on sat. Im convinced its one of two bolts. Victory doesnt give sizes for either. Im thinking on the detent roller and lever, of using a star type lock washer to make sure its properly grounded. To take up the extra space made by this washer, installing a wavespring washer. It will provide extra contact area to the lever, hopefully improving the ground path. The biggest problem is what size? I have a good hardware store near by. I'll pick up an assortment of diffrent size washers etc.. hopefully I will luck out. Im also going to look at the bolt that holds the starwheel to the sift drum and suface contact between the two. Whether I fix it sat. or not. I will have all the info on thread sizes, hole sizes, etc... and will be able to come up with a more informed solution to this problem. If it has to come apart again, It will. I have been dealing with gound problems on GM cars since digital fuel injection came out in 1980. Engineers make things work on paper. Technicians find a way to make it all work in the real world. Its the only thing that doesnt work properly on my Vision. I am looking at this as a personal challenge. I have worked on dual overhead cam, four valves per cylinder, variable valve timing, sequential port fuel injected motors (and that was just last month) with no problem. I will find a practical solution to this gear indicator problem.
Edited by cjnoho 2009-08-06 11:52 PM
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So Cal | Now you all know why I drink! |
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San Antonio, TX United States | I understand. I did the same thing for a heavy equipment manufacturer for 14 years. We were the field service people that made the things that salesman said it would do become reality and help the engineers realize their fantasy as well. I was just noting that the material that the bolt is made of and the coating that is used on the bolt has a specific. The previous materials resistance value would change over time due to heat and age. The newer bolt remedied this issue. And yes it is the bolt that retains the star wheel. This is the only one that needs to be changed. The contact area in regards to the ground was not the issue. I think the supplier that Polaris purchased the system from was just to narrow on their values which in turn made the system too sensitive. This is a motorcycle, not a vehicle for space/time travel. Though some may disagree on that last comment. lol. Good luck on your exploratory surgery.
Edited by dwhite28 2009-08-07 7:34 AM
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New Bohemia, VA | dwhite28 - 2009-08-06 10:22 PM ...I wish i was at work and could look the part number up for you and pass it on right now. you should be at work now, what's the part #. I think I need to change mine as it is been doing the dance since the last oil change. I'm due another change in a few days with 49,500 miles on the clock. I'm celebrating the 50K by changing the oil.... |
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So Cal | I had a productive morning. I changed my oil and while it was empty, took the primary off. I learned a lot! First, overcoming the force of the gen. magnets requires some real effort. The bolt that holds the starwheel to the shiftdrum is 6mmx20. Same bolt that holds the primary cover on, only shorter. I could only find new ones in the black, cheaper metal. It must be allen head (socket head for you youngsters) . There is room for a hex head bolt but you wont be able to get a socket ont it to tighten it, the clutch basket is in the way. I didnt re-install with blue loctite. I installed a 6mm star washer on the original bolt. torqued to 85 IN.! lb.s I plan to hunt down a high quality seel or stainless bot for backup. BOY OH BOY what a diffrence! It actually reads "1" when Im in first gear! something it hasnt done in over a year! It may flash a wrong number while shifting, now and then, once the shift is completed, it settles down to the right gear. I couldnt be happier! Now, let's see how long it lasts. I'll have my backup bolt just in case. |
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So Cal | Ive never seen the #1 on my dash this many times in the last year as I have today. Four months ago one lady said " look it has a compass" (it was in Neutral) . Couldnt tell her it was a gear indicator, because at that time, it really wasnt. |
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Brighton, TN | CjSoaringEaglenoho - many moons have passed over since our last meeting. We must seek guidance more often. To the Teepee I go.
(Inhale) wait, wait for it, now slowly (exhale). Yes I'm starting to see clearer now.
Oh, great CjSoaringEaglenoho, I have a question. My MemoryMaker 1 will show 3 when shifting to 2, but then settle back to 2. It almost will always show 1, but just kinda fluctuate around, normally settling into correct gear. Does this new bolt fix this type of problem? I like you have primarily this one complaint that I haven't looked into or pursued further. Merely engaging for enlightenment.
CLOSE THE DOOR (sorry FLAP), STILL CONVERSING WITH THE CjSoaringEaglenoho.
Hey, look a Horse Fly, cute, but he's talking to me. Why is he talking to me? I forget the rest, (sip) AHHHH!! Sometimes Dr. Pepper just Taste GUD! |
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So Cal | 2 seems to be the most sensitive while shifting but settles down immediately after shift. 1,3,4,5,6 all read correctly right away.
There is no fluctuation (fluc-u-white guys too) when not shifting. So far there is no ALMOST always with 1, its 1 EVERY time.
2 position has an odd resistence 825 ohms. I dont think the bolt is the problem but the blue loctite they use. Blue loctite will act as an isulator. Blue is also used for light duty applications. Removing the loctite and installing a lock washer improves the ground path between the shiftdrum and the starwheel and does the same job as the blue as far as keeping things tight. I use blue on things where a washer wont fit. There is plenty of room for a washer here. I dont think the bolt they use is the problem I think its the loctite and the lack of a washer to promote a good ground.
I used the original bolt just added a star type lockwasher. No loctite.
Allen head bolts in that size I could only find in three materials. Steel grade which are black.
Stainless which I think would work best but couldnt find in time. And the one victory uses but with a chrome head.
I plan on giving the connector a shot of WD 40 for GP. Oxidation between two terminals can create a resistence change also.
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| My 09 has developed the same indicator problem at the same 2400 mile reading. I have brought it in once for the 2500 miles service and asked them to solve the problem. They did not clear it up. It is back into the shop for that and another problem.
I suggest that you read these great blogs and note the potential problem of switchor the bolt to your dealer. Cleaning the contact points does not seem to work. Just want to save you some time |
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| Ok so does anyone have the replacement bolt part number? Question 2; Does this have anything to do with the really clunky shift to first gear? |
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