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Dale, Indiana | IndyVision,
Was in Indy today with truck.
Heading down 37 towards home I must have seen 50 bikes per mile in the Bloomington area. Everybody but me must have been out riding today.
Had some guy on Victory bike pass me real slow and he spotted my 'Vision Pilot' and 'Vision Rider' stickers .... he gave me the 'thumbs up' as he speed off!
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| golfer - 2008-05-29 3:48 PM
It was very tough for me to wait for one since I was very unhappy on my Harley. I have had a Vegas, Kingpin, HD custom, 2 HD Ultras, and now the Vision, all since 2004. My problem was that I do alot of miles, and most of them are 2-up. I really had to get a dresser, or it was just not working out with the gf...I bought the Ultras to get me by until the Vision was ready, meaning, the bugs worked out. But I really found the Harley to be boring, and it was killing me. I swore I would not buy a first year model, although, my Kingpin was an 04' and was perfect. I found a great deal on the Vision, and decided to take the risk. If I could go back in time, I would not have bought it. I would have suffered another season on the Harley and waited until all of the 08' Vision buyers did the testing and fixing for Victory. I did not count on so many problems! Don't get me wrong, I love the bike. But to buy a new bike and have over $20,000 invested, and in the first 3 weeks of owning it have the following problems, SHEESH!!!
crooked windscreen
windscreen shakes like crazy
crooked bags
gouged seat
rubbed off paint
cheap paint in general
broken plastic
ignition recall
stereo recall
hole rubbing into a hose
exhaust leak near the end of the muffler
IPOD problems
stereo problems
no fm reception
no weather band reception
chrome problems on the trunk rack
tremendous heat from the engine on the legs
tranny whine
jerky throttle response
surging while cruise control is set (bad)
bags do not open or close right
IPOD compartment does not pop open right
checking/putting air in the rear tire is ridiculous
Luggage for the bike does not fit in the bike
These are only problems on my bike, there are other people having other problems I don't have such as:
stalling out
backfiring
cb problems
volume control changing stations
exhaust leaks other than at the tip like mine
There are more problems as well, I can't think of them offhand. But for the flagship touring bike of a company as large as Polaris, these issues are way too many, and the remedy for most of them is far from acceptable. I am sure at least 2/3 of thses problems will not be on the 09's...What bugs me, is that it is a certainty Polaris will not help resolve all the problems we are having. Just the same as the 99' trannies, some will get help, other will not. A matter of who you know and who you blow type od deal....I don't really have that much of a bad taste over all the problems, I have a bad tatste over the lack of the willingness of Polaris to correct them. 20 + years with polaris and nothing has changed. I just keep putting up with it because they make the best overall product, most of the time.
If I could go back, I would wait. If they were being discontinued, I would get the 08' either way. It is a fantastic bike all in all. Such a shame Polaris saves a penny, but forgoes making a dollar by doing it.
Rats, gotta add yet another problem to the list which has developed since last night...Tuner is not working on the stereo. You push up, it goes up and down, you push down, it goes up and down. Just back and forth between stations. 
I guess I shouldn't complain though, that is only the 25th problem I have had in my first month of ownership...  |
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Brighton, TN | Golfer - I have been watching and waiting before responding to any of your posts. I agree and disagree with some of your posts like most on here probably do. As if you needed an introduction to who I am or the calamities that seem to happen upon me, I'll just say go back and take a read through this forum, you will find me. I have owned a lot of four wheeled vehicles and this is only my second bike. Out of every single one of the four wheeled vehicles there has always been some kind of Recall or Technical Service Bulletin on how to fix something normally not under warranty or it could be covered, but for me not normally. I have paid from $600 to $55,000 for vehicles and yet to have one that would not be without a problem. Brand new $55,000 3/4 ton Yukon XL designed with luxury and ability to tow. Vehicle wouldn't tow over 35 without scaring you half to death. No one from GMC Dealer to Trailer Dealers to Independent so called experts were able to make the vehicle tow anything without a whole lot of pucker factor. Took a little doing but I got GMC to buy it back without a lawsuit (might have been lucky or a good dealer, not sure). So, my question to you, would be, I paid double and then some for that machine what you paid for your bike. Should I have just thrown the towel in or should I have continued to find a dealer to work with me. I found a Dealer out of Decatur, Texas, James Wood Dealership, who gives you that down home feel and takes care of issues. Awesome, I now live over 8 hours from that dealership and wouldn't hesitate a moment to drive the distance and buy another one.
I understand a lot of the problems, most of which should and probably will be handled by either your current or future dealer. I haven't heard or remember if any of these problems have been really addressed by your dealer. Most of the stuff you list are pretty straight forward repairs. Crooked windshield, replace the mechanism and / or the windshield. Yes, it should have been caught by the dealer, but in my experience you have to go find a Good One that will LOVE you Like the GOLFER you are. A little sugar when you show up, a good handshake and maybe a Dr. Pepper in the other. Tall B or Big D, or small T, you listenin' Dr. Pepper keeps me comin' back (little side bar).
Last bit of tangled emotions (cause I'm in touch with my girly side). I have had my fair share of Recalls and issues, I don't think there will ever be a perfect machine made. There is always someone somewhere, who will think it should have been different. I understand and know firsthand the frustration associated with something that feels subpar. I feel like I got a good price for my bike, could of been less Tall B. But compared to the other bikes in this price range it seems like I got a better deal. Even with problems of sheetrock and Commander in Chief of Home Base. I can shine my bike up and can make it look dang near brand new as with most of my vehicles.
I'm done. Enjoy, ride on, check pulse, make sure it works, twist throttle for some effect and ride whatcha got or go get something else. Either way they will all have something to bitch about, I guarantee it (Quote from the Men's Warehouse commercial). Let me/us know if you need another reputable dealer who can help you out.
Calling out any dealers willing to help a brother or a sister out. I need some help, but more related to Dr Pepper and feathery chickens. I digress.
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Dale, Indiana | I guess many of us haven't adapted to the New Age of man where just because one made an effort it's ok, and it's considered being enlightened to remain calm and cool while being screwed.
I like many came form an age where they did it right, and in the case of a new type of rollout such as the Victory Vision the manufacture didn't act like they didn't hear you and they worked with you to fix every issue.
For something that cost in the mid $20,000 range once you add a few extras, folks just feel like they should not have to beg to have an issue addressed. We all expect problems, and ALL of us would NEVER give up our Vision!
Most of us would only get our Vision taken away from us ‘by prying our Vision from our cold dead hands'.
I admire those who can take it in the butt and like it; I also understand the frustration of those who have had their share of issues. However, like I said; many of us come form a different age where service meant service, and manufactures, dealers, and the people on the assembly line took pride in making an issue and non-issue.
Taking shots at those who expect more then silence from the people they dished out about $25,000 too only impresses the pacifist of today's world and makes them cheerleaders for those who don't take pride in what the build.
This is not my first horseshow.
I've had other new rollouts and I have had some that had issues. I also have had manufactures stick their fingers in their ears and I had manufactures take much interest.
Because of the passion and position I have in my industry I receive many tech devices to try, test, and debug because I am a gadget junky.
Victory's silence is interesting to say the least. However, as long as there is warranty, parts (as slow as they show up), updates, and improvements I won't dump them. I understand in today's sue happy world you just can't admit to bugs and problems, you just fix them while trying to remain under the radar of lawyers.
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| It feel bad for you having all the problems you have discribed above, but we are big boys and we should know that there will be problems with any mechine this complicated. 1. We should test drive the vehicle and look for imprefections before we buy. Listen to the radio,try the cruise control and if hatches don't open and close ask the dealer about these problems. 2. Checkout the dealer!!!!! this is the most important part for your happiness in the future. A good dealer will make your Vision more enjoyable. If you can't find a good one to do business with, maybe you should not buy a Vision. Remember, before they get your money, they are all friendly. So do your homework and check them out. 3. Last but not least remember, these are motorcycle people and there all a little nuts. I would like to end by saying that my bike and dealer are wonderful and know that I have bragged I expect the bike to brake down and my dealer to close. Bruce |
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Brighton, TN | I come from the similar age where a hand shake meant your word was good. But since the creation of automobiles there has never been a make or model without problems, no matter the amount of prep work or QA. I bet during your generation where the line workers took pride that you will remember, the old saying " Don't buy a car made on Monday or Friday!" That comment was very prevalent through the 60's and 70's. I bet if you lined up a car built on Monday and one on Wednesday during the 60's or 70's YOU could tell the difference. In addition I know for a fact a lot of assembly lines were designed by engineers and ran by non-engineers and there was no communication between the two. When the machine quit working or making parts out of spec, they would continue to run the equipment and run parts out of spec, even though the engineers said it was up to spec. AHHH! Quality! Pride! This is something that runs the span of time.
I don't see "just an effort", the engineering prowess that went into this bike and all the new pieces and out of the box norm thinking. There is no other bike like it on the road, I'm not talking about just the fancy bodywork, but look under the skin and a lot is NEW not old school mentality, or that is the way we have always done it. To go out on a limb and use some of the modern, new, technologies and materials is a JUMP or LEAP into the more modern era with advances in engineering and materials. Kudos to the Victory Teams.
As for being calm, show me where in your lifetime it pays off in the long run for you or the person you are venting expressively too, to get off your rocker and get uncalmed. Sure the loud and squeaky wheel gets greased and gets what he wants, happens a lot. So does, being patient and being squeaky.
I have seen the same post about the same things over and over from the same guy, I too have grown tired of the tirade. How about you go to the dealer or good dealer and then see what they say. If no love, see who you can get in contact with at another dealer or pursue up through the dealers Regional Rep. Normally, they can be scheduled to talk with you, you just have to schedule it. Still no love ask for help here if you are so inclined. I have seen a lot of people offering help to either post their fixes or put you in touch with someone that can.
Do you know for a fact that the people built it don't have pride in their work or the engineers. Could it be that there were circumstances beyond their control and deadlines to meet. You can only test so long before you have to take a chance and produce what you have at the moment. Then put out recalls and TSB's to fix stuff after the fact. It happens and always has.
If Victory stop supporting or putting out fixes then there may be a problem. But at the moment, I see people getting help for their toys. Then again you could be driving around in a horse drawn buggy, but then it too would have recalls and something to bitch about.
Ride it, repair it, ride it some more, repair or maintenance it! Ride it some more till your done! Then sell it to someone who will enjoy a new toy.
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New Bohemia, VA | pollolittle - 2008-06-04 11:31 AM I come from the similar age where a hand shake meant your word was good. But since the creation of automobiles there has never been a make or model without problems, no matter the amount of prep work or QA. I bet during your generation where the line workers took pride that you will remember, the old saying " Don't buy a car made on Monday or Friday!" That comment was very prevalent through the 60's and 70's. I bet if you lined up a car built on Monday and one on Wednesday during the 60's or 70's YOU could tell the difference. In addition I know for a fact a lot of assembly lines were designed by engineers and ran by non-engineers and there was no communication between the two. When the machine quit working or making parts out of spec, they would continue to run the equipment and run parts out of spec, even though the engineers said it was up to spec. AHHH! Quality! Pride! This is something that runs the span of time. I don't see "just an effort", the engineering prowess that went into this bike and all the new pieces and out of the box norm thinking. There is no other bike like it on the road, I'm not talking about just the fancy bodywork, but look under the skin and a lot is NEW not old school mentality, or that is the way we have always done it. To go out on a limb and use some of the modern, new, technologies and materials is a JUMP or LEAP into the more modern era with advances in engineering and materials. Kudos to the Victory Teams. As for being calm, show me where in your lifetime it pays off in the long run for you or the person you are venting expressively too, to get off your rocker and get uncalmed. Sure the loud and squeaky wheel gets greased and gets what he wants, happens a lot. So does, being patient and being squeaky. I have seen the same post about the same things over and over from the same guy, I too have grown tired of the tirade. How about you go to the dealer or good dealer and then see what they say. If no love, see who you can get in contact with at another dealer or pursue up through the dealers Regional Rep. Normally, they can be scheduled to talk with you, you just have to schedule it. Still no love ask for help here if you are so inclined. I have seen a lot of people offering help to either post their fixes or put you in touch with someone that can. Do you know for a fact that the people built it don't have pride in their work or the engineers. Could it be that there were circumstances beyond their control and deadlines to meet. You can only test so long before you have to take a chance and produce what you have at the moment. Then put out recalls and TSB's to fix stuff after the fact. It happens and always has. If Victory stop supporting or putting out fixes then there may be a problem. But at the moment, I see people getting help for their toys. Then again you could be driving around in a horse drawn buggy, but then it too would have recalls and something to bitch about. Ride it, repair it, ride it some more, repair or maintenance it! Ride it some more till your done! Then sell it to someone who will enjoy a new toy. I'm done! Pollolittle out! Okay, who got Pollolittle's login and password? Whoever it is, I agree with what you said using his monicker. |
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Dale, Indiana | This all reminds of when I rode back in the 80's. We Honda guys would ride by Harley guys who were repairing their bikes on the side of the road as they made fun of our Jap Bikes.
It seemed to insult them if we asked if they needed help.
That's part of the bike culture that I never understood. Many love working on bikes as much as they love riding them.
Heck, I see it here. Many had to take their Vision apart as soon as they got it home.
Back to the culture, I have noticed that many put much on power, performance, and style, but put little on reliability.
As for as an American made bike Victory is number from what I have read. The others need a box of tools to make road trips.
Reminds me of the millionaire furniture manufacturing company owner I know real well.
His wife bought him a brand new top of the line Harley. He rode it a little around town to show everybody how great a real bike is.
Then came Sturgis.
His employees loaded it and his friend's bikes on a trailer and they pulled it all the way to Sturgis for them with his Motor Coach.
He and his other rich buddies fly out on his plane.
When he got there it was gas, cleaned, and ready to ride.
2nd lap around Sturgis it threw a rod.
Loaded back up on trailer and he went and got drunk!
Hmm, sitting around drinking and relaxing couldn't be all bad.
But ‘I just wanna ride' the bike not work on it.
I am strange that way.
I used to love to sit around on weekends in the woods and drink, reason being I am selling my camper. Need to move more and drink less.
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New Bohemia, VA | Indiana RoadRunner - 2008-06-04 2:00 PM This all reminds of when I rode back in the 80’s. We Honda guys would ride by Harley guys who were repairing their bikes on the side of the road as they made fun of our Jap Bikes. It seemed to insult them if we asked if they needed help. That’s part of the bike culture that I never understood. Many love working on bikes as much as they love riding them. Heck, I see it here. Many had to take their Vision apart as soon as they got it home. Back to the culture, I have noticed that many put much on power, performance, and style, but put little on reliability. As for as an American made bike Victory is number from what I have read. The others need a box of tools to make road trips. Reminds me of the millionaire furniture manufacturing company owner I know real well. His wife bought him a brand new top of the line Harley. He rode it a little around town to show everybody how great a real bike is. Then came Sturgis. His employees loaded it and his friend’s bikes on a trailer and they pulled it all the way to Sturgis for them with his Motor Coach. He and his other rich buddies fly out on his plane. When he got there it was gas, cleaned, and ready to ride. 2nd lap around Sturgis it threw a rod. Loaded back up on trailer and he went and got drunk! Hmm, sitting around drinking and relaxing couldn’t be all bad. But ‘I just wanna ride’ the bike not work on it. I am strange that way. I used to love to sit around on weekends in the woods and drink, reason being I am selling my camper. Need to move more and drink less. Well, IRR, that is part of our culture, ride, ride ride. I take it that is why you are a truck driver. I have that same blood running through my veins, I can't sit still long and driving seems to sooth that restlessness. Others, it is show and no go, or just to ride ot have a war story to tell. I found it all part of the game when I was riding to see my son in Texas last September and my clutch was going out. Fortunately it was during the day and I got a hold of my mech back home when I was in Georgia. He said use DOT3 Brake fluid as a temporary fix of the DOT4. The fluid was old and all that stuff. It worked but if I rode for a long time, I had to "pump" the clutch to get it to disengage. I finally made to corpus christi, Tx some 900 miles later to get it fixed. I was pushing for my 1,500 Bun Burning and didn't want to fix it until I made the trek, which I did. The funny thing is that the papers still sit on my floor to send to IBA, but you know what, that certificate is not as important as knowing I did it, because I love to ride. I made my second "group" ride last Saturday, my first was last years Rolling Thunder. I'm not into group rides either because it is not a 200 mile trek to an unknown, it is a 65 mile trip around the block but for a cause. 75% of the time is sitting and talking about the ride and 25% is the ride. I like to ride, not talk about it, but the cause was good, and the fellowship was great. I'm more of what the wife and I did Memorial Day. What turned out to me a 10 mile ride to get breakfast ended in a 175 mile ride to Baltimore for soup. Then a 200 mile meandering on the way home. What a day of riding, perfect in every aspect and totally unplanned. I'm sure there were many out who only saddle up on the weekends, and that is fine. I don't understand it, but more power too them. I work with a few people that don't understand why I ride everday to work, rain or shine, and even in wintery conditions. I don't understand why they don't ride everyday, but they have an excuse when they don't. It might rain, I have to do something else, didn't have time (?), blah, blah, blah. Okay, I just let them be, and we talk about motorcycles when we can. So, while I'll agree with you, as I have been in the same situation in stopping to help a Harley rider who won't even speak to you, but I've also got help from a biker who rode a Harley when my little 350 broke down. So I say to you and the rest who really love to ride, ride on! |
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Dale, Indiana | varyder - 2008-06-04 4:00 PM
]Well, IRR, that is part of our culture, ride, ride ride.
I thought that was my point.
I want to ride! Not fix it, not wait on parts, not let it sit at a dealer wondering where my parts are.
As I said; some would rather work on the bike then ride it.
Some like polishing better then riding too. Never understood that either.
Oh well everything is getting out of context and the only way we'll fix that is JUST RIDE! (Later we'll have a few beers)
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Northwest of you | I am very sypathetic to your situation, Golfer. Some people are going to find problems where there are none and are "professional" complainers. I don't know you, but, I don't get that about you. Your issues seem legit. I am wondering if it has something to do with that particular bike? As I recall, you got a "flaming" deal on it and had to go pick it up....so the seller isn't the dealer that has to "fix" it. Do you think he knew something about that particular bike and was happy to unload it? I think too, on these forums, we are inclined to hear about "problems". People talk longer and louder when they are dissatisfied than when happy. I don't see anyone that is happy with there bike, going on and on about it, day after day. The problems you are having (and you seem to have them all) may be experienced by one or two owners (which seem to get resolved by dealers or Victory), but I haven't read anything like what you are experiencing on one bike...........any model........ever. I wish there was something I could do to help and yes, I am very happy it's not happening to me. From time to time you hear these "horror" stories about cars, trucks, motorcycles, whatever and there seems to be no explaination for the occurance, but, they do seem to be the anomoly. Anyway, I hope it all works out for you because I know riding is very important to you and that you enjoy it..........all the best... But, yes, I would do it again and probably will, soon..... |
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So Cal | Considering the 10 years Victory has been in production, their reliability is second to none. Who remembers, back in the early 80's when Honda started making automobiles? The front struts and fenders couldnt hold up to the harsh winters and salt used to clear the road. The struts were rotting away, allowing the front suspension to collapse. I remember seeing shiney new front fenders on otherwise, rust buckets. They learned, the hard way. 8 months now, and this bike has yet to fail me. The rest is just minor. |
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So Cal | pollolittle - 2008-06-04 8:31 AM
I come from the similar age where a hand shake meant your word was good. But since the creation of automobiles there has never been a make or model without problems, no matter the amount of prep work or QA. I bet during your generation where the line workers took pride that you will remember, the old saying " Don't buy a car made on Monday or Friday!" That comment was very prevalent through the 60's and 70's. I bet if you lined up a car built on Monday and one on Wednesday during the 60's or 70's YOU could tell the difference. In addition I know for a fact a lot of assembly lines were designed by engineers and ran by non-engineers and there was no communication between the two. When the machine quit working or making parts out of spec, they would continue to run the equipment and run parts out of spec, even though the engineers said it was up to spec. AHHH! Quality! Pride! This is something that runs the span of time.
I don't see "just an effort", the engineering prowess that went into this bike and all the new pieces and out of the box norm thinking. There is no other bike like it on the road, I'm not talking about just the fancy bodywork, but look under the skin and a lot is NEW not old school mentality, or that is the way we have always done it. To go out on a limb and use some of the modern, new, technologies and materials is a JUMP or LEAP into the more modern era with advances in engineering and materials. Kudos to the Victory Teams.
As for being calm, show me where in your lifetime it pays off in the long run for you or the person you are venting expressively too, to get off your rocker and get uncalmed. Sure the loud and squeaky wheel gets greased and gets what he wants, happens a lot. So does, being patient and being squeaky.
I have seen the same post about the same things over and over from the same guy, I too have grown tired of the tirade. How about you go to the dealer or good dealer and then see what they say. If no love, see who you can get in contact with at another dealer or pursue up through the dealers Regional Rep. Normally, they can be scheduled to talk with you, you just have to schedule it. Still no love ask for help here if you are so inclined. I have seen a lot of people offering help to either post their fixes or put you in touch with someone that can.
Do you know for a fact that the people built it don't have pride in their work or the engineers. Could it be that there were circumstances beyond their control and deadlines to meet. You can only test so long before you have to take a chance and produce what you have at the moment. Then put out recalls and TSB's to fix stuff after the fact. It happens and always has.
If Victory stop supporting or putting out fixes then there may be a problem. But at the moment, I see people getting help for their toys. Then again you could be driving around in a horse drawn buggy, but then it too would have recalls and something to bitch about.
Ride it, repair it, ride it some more, repair or maintenance it! Ride it some more till your done! Then sell it to someone who will enjoy a new toy.
I'm done! Pollolittle out!
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Brighton, TN | Is that who that was, they came in gave me a shot to bring me down from soaring with Soaring Eagle. I knew there was something I was supposed to Not do. Shot of reality, then I'm off my rocker talking all crazy like. Why is it everytime I reach over to my right I grab a hold of something the masses call a mouse, yet my wife and most women I know, screams like a little girl at almost the mere mention of a mouse. How did this product ever make it? Convincing women the world over it was Okay to touch it and not be scared. I have to meet this marketing genius. I have something I need to re-market to my wife. |
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| nowor2l8 - 2008-06-04 9:10 PM
I am very sypathetic to your situation, Golfer. Some people are going to find problems where there are none and are "professional" complainers. I don't know you, but, I don't get that about you. Your issues seem legit. I am wondering if it has something to do with that particular bike? As I recall, you got a "flaming" deal on it and had to go pick it up....so the seller isn't the dealer that has to "fix" it. Do you think he knew something about that particular bike and was happy to unload it? I think too, on these forums, we are inclined to hear about "problems". People talk longer and louder when they are dissatisfied than when happy. I don't see anyone that is happy with there bike, going on and on about it, day after day. The problems you are having (and you seem to have them all) may be experienced by one or two owners (which seem to get resolved by dealers or Victory), but I haven't read anything like what you are experiencing on one bike...........any model........ever. I wish there was something I could do to help and yes, I am very happy it's not happening to me. From time to time you hear these "horror" stories about cars, trucks, motorcycles, whatever and there seems to be no explaination for the occurance, but, they do seem to be the anomoly. Anyway, I hope it all works out for you because I know riding is very important to you and that you enjoy it..........all the best... But, yes, I would do it again and probably will, soon.....
Thanks for understanding, wish more people did...
I did in fact buy from a dealership. It is over 16 hours round trip to go there. The dealer has absolutely bent over backwards for me, with the exception of paying for all of this out of pocket. I have been involved with his attempts to get things corrected, and not unlike we as customers, he has been given a run around from Victory as well. I have found that some people, and some dealers get whatever they want, and some don't get shit. Both dealerships near me stopped selling Vics because A) they could not sell them, B) they felt Victory sucked balls when it came to service and support. I did in fact get a smoking deal. And it for that reason alone, I do not expect the dealership to eat the costs associated with the numerous problems my bike is having. I have discovered that if I voice my dissatisfaction enough publicly in these forums, I will get matters resolved. My snowmobile was no exception, Polaris as well....I not only voice my problems to get them remedied by Victory, but also to alert others. Most here do not seem to appreciate the importance of both. Most here are happy they have no problems and think that since they have perfect bikes, I should shut the %$^& up...I always wondered why people have that mentality. Mine is fine, so you need to quit complaining even though yours isn't...Cracks me up.
By the way, last night my support cable for the trunk lid broke out of it's fitting, luckily nothing broke when it happened. Picture the panic and desparation of someone watching thier trunk lid go over backwards with a terrible crunching plastic noise...As a warning to others, this happened because the trunk rack is too heavy for the tiny wire support to handle the extra weight. And yes, i was always cautious in supporting the trunk lid until it rested with the wire extended. But I guess since it has not happened to anyone else, I should just shut my trap.... |
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Scottsdale AZ | pollolittle - 2008-06-04 9:31 AM
I come from the similar age where a hand shake meant your word was good. But since the creation of automobiles there has never been a make or model without problems, no matter the amount of prep work or QA. I bet during your generation where the line workers took pride that you will remember, the old saying " Don't buy a car made on Monday or Friday!" That comment was very prevalent through the 60's and 70's. I bet if you lined up a car built on Monday and one on Wednesday during the 60's or 70's YOU could tell the difference. In addition I know for a fact a lot of assembly lines were designed by engineers and ran by non-engineers and there was no communication between the two. When the machine quit working or making parts out of spec, they would continue to run the equipment and run parts out of spec, even though the engineers said it was up to spec. AHHH! Quality! Pride! This is something that runs the span of time.
I don't see "just an effort", the engineering prowess that went into this bike and all the new pieces and out of the box norm thinking. There is no other bike like it on the road, I'm not talking about just the fancy bodywork, but look under the skin and a lot is NEW not old school mentality, or that is the way we have always done it. To go out on a limb and use some of the modern, new, technologies and materials is a JUMP or LEAP into the more modern era with advances in engineering and materials. Kudos to the Victory Teams.
As for being calm, show me where in your lifetime it pays off in the long run for you or the person you are venting expressively too, to get off your rocker and get uncalmed. Sure the loud and squeaky wheel gets greased and gets what he wants, happens a lot. So does, being patient and being squeaky.
I have seen the same post about the same things over and over from the same guy, I too have grown tired of the tirade. How about you go to the dealer or good dealer and then see what they say. If no love, see who you can get in contact with at another dealer or pursue up through the dealers Regional Rep. Normally, they can be scheduled to talk with you, you just have to schedule it. Still no love ask for help here if you are so inclined. I have seen a lot of people offering help to either post their fixes or put you in touch with someone that can.
Do you know for a fact that the people built it don't have pride in their work or the engineers. Could it be that there were circumstances beyond their control and deadlines to meet. You can only test so long before you have to take a chance and produce what you have at the moment. Then put out recalls and TSB's to fix stuff after the fact. It happens and always has.
If Victory stop supporting or putting out fixes then there may be a problem. But at the moment, I see people getting help for their toys. Then again you could be driving around in a horse drawn buggy, but then it too would have recalls and something to bitch about.
Ride it, repair it, ride it some more, repair or maintenance it! Ride it some more till your done! Then sell it to someone who will enjoy a new toy.
I'm done! Pollolittle out!
My thoughts also pootie! Very eloquent for a clumsy guy like you!I had started a post of the same theme and then "chickened out", pecked out some of the same, and never hit submit. Whooo, "chickened out" and "pecked", sounds like ur runbin off with that Tenn chickin farm stuff.
Hope you are well, I see 9800 and goin strong!! Ride baby ride!! Another Dr. Pepper please! |
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Brighton, TN | Golfer - I was kinda dun till you responded. I have a few questions - please feel free to answer them. Small statement first - I don't think anywhere in this have I recommended you shut the #%$%^$%^ up. Basically, what I'm after, give some hints as to what has been done or not done. Where you are at in the process? What can we do as a collective whole to help you or anyone else out?
Basically, guy came on here because his bags didn't align right. One guy tore his apart after no satisfaction from dealer and figured it out. Then posted what he did to fix it. There are always ingenius folks who will tear something apart to help.
So, Your statement, "I have discovered that if I voice my dissatisfaction enough publicly in these forums, I will get matters resolved." Please explain, I don't have firsthand experience here.
"Most here do not seem to appreciate the importance of both. Most here are happy they have no problems and think that since they have perfect bikes, I should shut the %$^& up...I always wondered why people have that mentality. Mine is fine, so you need to quit complaining even though yours isn't...Cracks me up."
Have you been reading the entire thread! Once again, please explain - I and others have stated we understand but are looking for how it gets resolved or what we can do to help resolve it.
There is a lot of venting and complaining here and most of us are pretty light hearted about most of the situations that occur and more than often a lot of the fella's and gals give up hints or decent advice on how to fix problems.
I am pretty much done with my sensitive side for the moment. You are more than welcome to vent and rant and rave, just help me in understanding when you are done what you had to do to get your problems resolved or not. Here to help if need be.
I joined this board cause I was able to be half or 3/4 off my rocker and still keep some sanity in the process. So, I will go BACK to my Wily ways and search once again for Soaring Eagle or just put my cowboy boots on and run three time counterclockwise with barley in one hand and oats in the other, hops in my boots and see if I can make beer. Or I find corn mash and attempt shinin'!
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Brighton, TN | SITCJ - Maybe I rub off a little, just shower, you'll be fine. Yes, more Dr Pepper Please. Right at 9700, right behind you, ride faster or be scared. Either way get out of the way, too much sand blowin' on me and I hate it in my crevices. |
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| pollolittle - 2008-06-05 10:45 AM
Basically, what I'm after, give some hints as to what has been done or not done. Where you are at in the process? What can we do as a collective whole to help you or anyone else out?
So, Your statement, "I have discovered that if I voice my dissatisfaction enough publicly in these forums, I will get matters resolved." Please explain, I don't have firsthand experience here.
"Most here do not seem to appreciate the importance of both. Most here are happy they have no problems and think that since they have perfect bikes, I should shut the %$^& up...I always wondered why people have that mentality. Mine is fine, so you need to quit complaining even though yours isn't...Cracks me up."
Have you been reading the entire thread! Once again, please explain - I and others have stated we understand but are looking for how it gets resolved or what we can do to help resolve it.
What has been done is about half the problems are fixed, or I just don't care enough to work them out. Where I am in the process, is it appears Victory wants me to piss up a rope, "first they have heard of it" type of response...
If I voice my dissatisfaction....On my snowmobile, Polaris screwed the pooch so badly, I layed out a full assault on 2 different forums, and I mean really laid it out. I had already had numerous phone calls with Polaris with MANY different people. Nothing worked, so I went public. Let's just say that they do monitor these forums, and my snowmobile has been taken care of.
I have followed the thread, and many seem to just want to talk about how great the bike is, and it has no problems. Ra, ra, ra!!!!!
I guess I am just overwhelmed at how many problems I am having with the bike. It is seriously almost every time I ride it something new goes wrong. I guess I just expected alot better product due to my very positive experience with my Kingpin. I like to ride. I hardly even wash my bikes. I don't like dealing with all this crap. |
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Brighton, TN | Thanks, I concur with all the crap. I have my fair share of problems and have been out of riding a couple of times.
Okay, so if all the ranting and raving gets it taken care of, what do we have to do? Put a large post and keep it toward the top where most people can see it and keep it up there till the fix floats its way to you or how do you know when it has served its purpose?
I think I will just sit back and watch the tirade and please let me know how it fares out for you / us. Vent on / Assault full on? Go Golfer!
Is there anyone here that anonymously would like to pipe up, anonymously, that you are monitoring? Just curious?
You always wonder about these things. |
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So Cal | pollolittle - 2008-06-05 4:44 A Convincing women the world over it was Okay to touch it and not be scared.
Sounds like me in high school. |
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