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Cruiser
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Rhode Island | I am a member of 2 and was a member of the third but got tired of it quickly. This has been my favorite for the last 8 months or so; this has become my favorite because it stayed more focused about the bikes and less BS (hopefully posts like this won't pop up more often). The site that I dropped was run by a nice guy but a wanna be (rode for like a year then sold) who actually talks too much about stuff I'm not interested in. The other site has lots of information and I have met many great people throughout the north east because of it; I get aggrivated with all the drama sometimes.
This site is the most focussed on the bikes, information and riding; good job Jeff and thank you.
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, Va | Until folks get off of the internet forums and focus on the coalition of brand owners through a single enitity this will never move forward. At this point it doesn't matter if it is through theVMC, which has its beginnings from the start of Victory Motorcycles, or another association that needs to band together the largest segment of owners. The point is to do something that will work toward the being the voice to the manufacturer and to promote the brand and help strengthen a dealer network.
Since being a Victory owner for a little more than three years I've learned that while Victory owners think they are different, they are, we are, the same as every one else. We complain of the competition, but they must still being doing something right as evident of the strong following that keeps the brand alive. So instead of saying, they suck and we're better, why not band together and be better. That is where I lose it because all we want to talk about is the forums -- that was never my intent.
So the idea that I've conveyed in wanting to move us forward has died on the vine again, given credience to the cliche "we've tried that before and it didn't work." Okay, it works for everyone else, why not Victory!?
I've gone riding....
Edited by Cap'n Nemo 2011-03-31 8:48 AM
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Iron Butt
Posts: 965
New York State | I can't figure out what you are looking to accomplish Nemo people who bought Victory's are supporting the company.
Do you want Victory owners to own more than one ?
Do you want Victory owners actively seeking to hurt other motorcycle manufacturers or owners ?
Are Victory owners supposed to tatoo Victory across their foreheads ?
I bought a motorcycle to enjoy on the roads I did not want to join a cult ,
or I would have bought an HD or a Wing. |
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Visionary
Posts: 1359
New Bohemia, Va | As I said, I've gone riding on this one, for two reasons.
1) rabbit holes
2) forums rat nest
My purpose is to drive the grassroot effort from a single voice to the manufacturer for better support, stronger dealer network, and a positive promotion of the brand for the good of all. Nothing more, nothing less. |
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Iron Butt
Posts: 965
New York State | Polaris does not have a great track record for helping dealers in fact some say the opposite.They want the $$$ from customers but if you try to contact them you get a form letter response and little else. Less message boards means less public involvement IMHO. the fact that many belong to two or more means more exposure and more reasources.
One man can point out an error, a collection of people can make a difference.IMHO.
I think one voice is to easily ignored. Ask my pillion. |
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Tourer
Posts: 554
2 mi from Jim Beam n KY | Chris, I'm with ya.
Harley has the H.O.G. and Victory has .............nothing really. Victory needs a large factory sponsored Owners Group. The VRA doesn't cut it at all.
The VMC does more than any other group to promote Victory, with national, regional and local rides. The local VMC clubs seem fairly strong, although there's obviously room for growth. The regions need a little work. But I support the VMC and pay annual dues. I've been in part of the discussion for starting a local VMC chapter here.
The VMC is in the best position for the job, but the forums need a little bit of policing. I never know which thread has deteriorated into a cursing, flaming free for all. I don't want to read that kind of crap. I would imagine Corporate Victory wants no part of that either. This is one of the many reasons I'm so pro Vision-Riders. Ya'll disagree frequently, but it doesn't turn into a flame fest. You folks stay civil. I seriously hope Kevin can fix the few things that are holding the VMC back. He has my support, for what ever that's worth!
For reasons beyond me, I suspect Victory doesn't want, or think they need a H.O.G. I believe they are in error.
VR still needs long sleeve white t-shirts. |
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Iron Butt
Posts: 965
New York State | I really think the Dealerships need to band together and make Victory responsive. As consumers we only yea or nah with our purchase. It is the Dealership who is our only contact with Victory. |
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Visionary
Posts: 1359
New Bohemia, Va | wolf, I'm only an observer but I have come to learn that even though the dealer has to meet certain criteron and maintain it, Victory does not support them like Harley does their dealers. I find it really perplexing that Polaris dealers can shun Victory motorcycles and sell other brands right next to Polaris. This makes me look at the Victory dealers like they are selling Avon or Edible Arrangements, they live and die on their own efforts. That's not to say Victory doesn't assist some how but as far as dealerships being our voice, they are with us the owners nearly on the same plain.
But let us continue being a bunch of lone wolfs or little bands around the country and we'll be having the same problems and the same questions five years from now. It's been 12 years and so little has changed and the only real driving force of Victory making superior bikes is their bottomline. Now with that said they do listen to be able to build a better bike, but they know that is what drives the bottom line, so if they are doing fine what do they care if you don't have a local dealer or better support?
Edited by Cap'n Nemo 2011-04-07 10:35 AM
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Iron Butt
Posts: 965
New York State | My Dealer www.locomotionpowersports.com in Suffern NY sell Victory's Triumph's and Polaris off road vehicles. It is because of the Triumphs I found them, and My Vision. Not every rider is ready to jump on over 1000 cc's of machine and go.
By having Triumph's and servicing all makes of motorcycles
They expose the Brand to people who may have never even thought about owning a Victory.
plus the test rides are a big seller
Edited by Trekwolf164 2011-04-07 3:51 PM
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