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aztucson
Posted 2011-04-16 1:41 PM (#84124)
Subject: Hello-Pardon my absence


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 16
I lurked here last year and asked a few questions.

Ended up doing nothing but looking at a new bike again.

I probably will go with another Ultra or move over to the Vision.

My question is do the Vic dealers generally do fair by an HD trade in or is it a waste of time. Have others here had decent trade in from there Vic dealer.

I am aware that the trade in is usually substantially less than the potential sale price on my own.
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Man314
Posted 2011-04-16 3:06 PM (#84132 - in reply to #84124)
Subject: Re: Hello-Pardon my absence


Tourer

Posts: 575
Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles"
Test ride the Vision and I'm sure you'll agree with 95% of the people who do ride it that it is one sweet bike.

Victory dealer is like any other dealer . . . they want to pay as little as possible on a trade in. I'd sell your bike on your own and then make your best deal on your new bike.
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#57
Posted 2011-04-16 4:15 PM (#84133 - in reply to #84124)
Subject: Re: Hello-Pardon my absence


Tourer

Posts: 415
Mt dealer takes them in, but he checks with a used dealer he is close to before he does. Usually just ships them out to him.
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johnnyvision
Posted 2011-04-16 4:20 PM (#84134 - in reply to #84124)
Subject: Re: Hello-Pardon my absence


Visionary

Posts: 4278
Traded in my new I mean new street glide on a vision and was over whelmed by the good deal. Its not like there going to be stuck with it for maybe two weeks and it will be sold. I don't know if you saw these 5 videos but it help sell me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGkFPUeNUqc
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Lotzafun
Posted 2011-04-16 5:14 PM (#84136 - in reply to #84124)
Subject: Re: Hello-Pardon my absence


Iron Butt

Posts: 935
Rockford, IL
My local Victory dealer always has about a half dozen used Harleys on the sales floor. That tells me that he must be pretty fair on trade-in deals.

This is one of those individual dealer things. They are all in business for themselves, not Victory.
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aztucson
Posted 2011-04-16 5:20 PM (#84137 - in reply to #84124)
Subject: RE: Hello-Pardon my absence


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 16
Thanks, appreciate it. I will see what he says.
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Nozzledog
Posted 2011-04-16 9:54 PM (#84143 - in reply to #84124)
Subject: Re: Hello-Pardon my absence


Visionary

Posts: 1229
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
I found out what trade-in was on my Harley, then offered it up to my best friend who drools over Harley's for the same price. We're both happy, but I got the better deal, I got the Vision, he didn't.
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Cap'n Nemo
Posted 2011-04-16 10:17 PM (#84144 - in reply to #84124)
Subject: Re: Hello-Pardon my absence


Visionary

Posts: 1359
New Bohemia, Va
if you can swing it, sell your harley open, and then take the cash and put it on your Vision, I believe you'll get the better deal.
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VaParadox
Posted 2011-04-17 8:49 AM (#84163 - in reply to #84124)
Subject: Re: Hello-Pardon my absence


Iron Butt

Posts: 1158
Richmond, Virginia
I think we all suffer from the same mental illness. We walk into a dealership holding our own bike so high that we expect to get a rediculous trade in value, yet at the same time we expect the dealer to drop to his knees and beg us to take his new bike. The reality is (speaking as a high end product retailer,
that customers walking in have no clue what costs are involved that we have to look at. So let me do some helpful education for those interested.
Built into the price of that new bike in the showroom.
1. The actual price the dealer paid for that unit.
2. The shipping of the bike from the manufacturer to the dealership. ( consider what it costs you to ship a box that you can carry, then multiply it by say
several more hundred pounds).
3. The monthly cost of the showroom so that YOU have the luxury of looking at that bike in an environment that is heated, cooled, dry, lighted. etc.
4. So what if you have some questions? oh wait, OF COURSE YOU DO, Now pay that salesman enough salary that he can pay for his home, car,
family, children, etc etc. Its Not self serve in that bike shop.
5. Who uncrates that bike from Polaris? Well now you have to pay a shop technician to put the bike together, clean it, inspect it, and make it ready for
you to TEST RIDE, and ultimately purchase. But it doesnt stop there, now we have to keep him employed to fix all your booboo's and add all
those accessories that you will most certainly want. Thats salary #2.
6. Dont forget to add in what the dealer has to pay for all those accessories you take for granted that are sitting on the shelves and racks just hoping that
maybe you will buy some of them. But even if you dont, he still MUST have them and pay for them "just in case" you want them.
7. Insurance..... yep he has to carry it on the building, his employees, his merchandise, and YOU should you want to ride one of his bikes.... yeah, thats
not gonna be cheap either is it?

Welcome to the world of the retailer. Its not like Target where they get a case of dresses from Bangladesh that they paid 50 cents each, and now
sell them to you for 50.00.

As a good friend to the guys that owned my dealership, I witnessed assholes walking in with their Harley who thought that their bike was still worth
90% of what they paid for it 7 years ago, yet at the same time the attitude they walked in with was "look at all these bikes, this guy has a ton of them
and im sure he needs to blow them out to get rid of them. He would love having my awesome HD on his showroom floor to sell because I KNOW that
my used bike will sell in like 2 hours on his showroom floor......because afterall , it IS a HD. I'll offer him 5,000 less on this brand new Vision cause he has 3 of them and I know he will wanna get rid of it. HELLO NUTJOB 5000.00 WAS MORE THEN HIS PROFIT MARGIN.

Nemo was right, sell your bike on your own, you will get a better price and you wont upset either yourself or the Victory dealer that you will now have to
form a great relationship with. Insulting your new dealership by disrespecting him and not recognizing his $$ efforts to stay open wont get anyone anywhere. He isnt getting bikes for free therefore, neither should you expect to get one that way either.

(No, this wasnt a slam against anyone here or HD's, it was merely an example based on the contents of this really important posting topic).
John Q Public is spoiled in this country when they shop. They take for granted the LUXURY of showrooms and all that is contained within.
Outside of this country you could be buying your motorcycle that is inside a tent on a street lined with other tents all selling stuff from live
fish, to hand made pocket books. To walk into a luxury store and act as though they just "pulled those high prices out of their ass" is
unfortunately a common behavior in American shoppers. Trust me when I tell you, it is not our goal to over charge you, but we do have
a higher investment in the product then you do as the buyer of it. If you want something for nothing, seek out a store that looks like
a bargain warehouse filled with folding tables full of piles of stuff that you have to sift through to see if there is something for nothing there.
But when you come to look at a LUXURY product, act as though you understand what is involved. Im sure most of us on here do this
but lets face it, there are several who dont. Visions are not cheap, come prepared.



Edited by VaParadox 2011-04-17 8:49 AM
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5th Gear
Posted 2011-04-17 9:03 AM (#84167 - in reply to #84124)
Subject: Re: Hello-Pardon my absence


New user

Posts: 1
My local dealer will not take trade-ins period. The best he will do is consignment. Not sure what to make of that.
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aztucson
Posted 2011-04-17 10:16 AM (#84169 - in reply to #84124)
Subject: RE: Hello-Pardon my absence


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 16
Thanks to you all.

Va Patradox, I guess you are venting as I know it must be tough to own a business. But I think all of that is known by most of us.

I do not expect my bike to go for a ridiculous price but do want what is fair for me. I agree many people expect to get more than there stuff of any type is worth, not me, I am a realist.

5th gear, I was wondering about that and should call and find out.

I will likely do a trial run on cl this week and go from there. If anyone is wondering I will likely ask 13K. If a dealer came in at the 12k range I would likely take it depending on the price on the new bike.

I thank every one again and consider the thread finished on my end.


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Cap'n Nemo
Posted 2011-04-17 12:39 PM (#84178 - in reply to #84163)
Subject: Re: Hello-Pardon my absence


Visionary

Posts: 1359
New Bohemia, Va
How'd I get dragged into your rant is beyond me, but I think that it is not joe q. publiks fault that anyone overdoes their overhead. I can buy out of a tent, or a gold studded building as long as I'm paying the same price for the product at it's worth to me. When it comes to motorcycles, it is not generally considered a need, but rather a want. I knew what I wanted, I accepted the fair price and the dealer treated me decent.

Unfortunatley, there is not a Victory dealer on every corner. I may want, but can't buy, so don't try to make the customer feel like a dirt bag because he didn't buy or is trying to save a buck, he won't be back when he can buy, at least not at your place.

I was buying a new car for the wife some years ago and went to the dealer in our town, sadly the salesperson snubbed us for whatever reason, but it wasn't because of any atittude I had, they just forgot us it seemed, so we went to a neighboring town and bought. The salesman was more than courteous and accomidating even though I was doing my best to get off cheap. He stopped me at the rock bottom and we were both satisfied, I knew he had a little more wiggle room, but it also meant I would have probably not left that day with a car, I had to compromise also. We built a relationship that day and kept it until we moved further away. Our last new car purchase was four years ago, but I still get phone calls and birthday cards from our salesman and the dealership, why, because they want the relationship that will build more sales and service income.

The dealer doesn't have to whine about keeping lights on and all that stuff, but if they build the right relationship with everyone that walks through the doors, that dealership will do very well in my opinion, because I have seen it. Sure, hard times strikes and there is shifts in the market, personal situations and the such, but I know people who know people.

So perhaps you did get a lot of things off your chest, and you needed too. The education may be well taken by some, but no one asked the dealer to get into that line of work or make their showroom a certain way that creates overhead. Business is work, and it is better if you have a passion for it. If the desire to survive outweighs the desire to serve then it is most likely you will not survive, or survive with troubles. As the old saying goes, "find work that is your passion and you'll never have to work again". I wonder if some places close up because they just lost their passion for it.
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