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Tampa, Fl United States | handyhiker - 2011-03-06 2:56 PM
Turk - 2011-03-06 3:26 AM
Yup, darksiding is the best thing you can do for a motorcycle, I mean, just look at all the road racers that have gone dark side when racing. Clearly it is superior to a motorcycle tire or they wouldn't all be running car tires!
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Just curious as to how much experiance you have with a car tire on a motorcycle? As far as I know, all of us that run a Darkside tire NEVER said they were beter for road racing. However I would dare say that most drag race bikes run them. I also know for a fact that the fastest Vision at the salt flats runs a car tire. JMHO
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| Nozzledog - 2011-04-10 11:09 AM
There are other videos on youtube that show darksiders scraping pegs in the corners, but the video quality is very poor.
I did notice that the same run took 9 seconds longer with CT.
My question, why not run a CT on the front also? If your argument holds for the back, why wouldn't it hold for the front? I know there is one guy on this forum that does, but everyone else says no way. How come? Finding one that would fit would be a challenge, and besides the benefits are lost on the front. The wear on the rear tire is much greater due to the weight distribution favoring the rear. |
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Moravia, IA | Nozzledog - 2011-04-10 11:09 AM
There are other videos on youtube that show darksiders scraping pegs in the corners, but the video quality is very poor.
I did notice that the same run took 9 seconds longer with CT.
My question, why not run a CT on the front also? If your argument holds for the back, why wouldn't it hold for the front? I know there is one guy on this forum that does, but everyone else says no way. How come?
Well its just in a parking lot....me practicing tight left turns. Just messing around but here is a link. Running a 185/55-16 Bridgestone.
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| Went up to pick up sarvbill's tire he was giving away (thank you very much), and found that a CT is so versatile that it can even be used as a back rest.
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| Anyone have an alternative to the Bridgestone Potenza G 019 the 185/55/16. I can not find anyone that has them in stock.
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Fargo, ND |
I ordered one from Tire Rack and they are expecting them shortly...
per my invoice -
185/55R-16 Bridgestone Potenza G 019 Grid Estimated 05/07/11 $93.00
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| Yeah the web site does show the same date. I was going to try them out, but I need a tire now, I have a big piece of rubber missing from my tire. I guess, I go ahead and order one and put it on for the next tire change, unless someone has any suggestions.
Thanks John for your help.
Flatsix - 2011-04-18 4:53 PM
I ordered one from Tire Rack and they are expecting them shortly...
per my invoice -
185/55R-16 Bridgestone Potenza G 019 Grid Estimated 05/07/11 $93.00
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Moravia, IA | The General Altimax is also a great DS tire....generally even better regarded then the Potenza. Can you find it? |
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Cabot Arkansas | lonestarrider - 2011-04-18 4:41 PM
Anyone have an alternative to the Bridgestone Potenza G 019 the 185/55/16. I can not find anyone that has them in stock.
Try Sears ,they carry them down here in L.A. (lower Arkansas)  |
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Quad Cities, IL | Has anyone else seen the May issue of MCN (Motorcycle Consumer News)? Coincidentally, the "Motorcyle Justice" article is about darksiding. The question basically asks about how an insurance company could/would act on a claim if the bike was running on the darkside.
In short, the legal answer is, and I quote from the article, "It is prima facie negligence to run car tires on a motorcycle, period." Basically this means that the motorcycle rider is negligent without any further proof required. But then the question to be resolved in a lawsuit (or insurance claim) is "was the negligence the direct cause of the injury". There is much more to the answer in the MCN article that I thought many would be interested in reading.
For me, this would also be a major factor in my decision to run a darkside or MC tire.
Thought it was pertinent FOOD FOR THOUGHT on the subject. Me, I just replaced both tires with MC tires...so I have a while to ponder the whole thing before I make any further decisions on the subject. I would be curious of how any of your insurance companies responded to an injury/accident claim while running on the darkside. |
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New Bohemia, Va | I hate to poke here, but I still have found no earthly reason to run a car tire on a motorcycle except to be cheap. |
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If that's the only reason you can find Cap'n...go with it! Make it yours!
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Moravia, IA | HLUSN8 - 2011-04-19 8:10 PM
Has anyone else seen the May issue of MCN (Motorcycle Consumer News)? Coincidentally, the "Motorcyle Justice" article is about darksiding. The question basically asks about how an insurance company could/would act on a claim if the bike was running on the darkside.
In short, the legal answer is, and I quote from the article, "It is prima facie negligence to run car tires on a motorcycle, period." Basically this means that the motorcycle rider is negligent without any further proof required. But then the question to be resolved in a lawsuit (or insurance claim) is "was the negligence the direct cause of the injury". There is much more to the answer in the MCN article that I thought many would be interested in reading.
For me, this would also be a major factor in my decision to run a darkside or MC tire.
Thought it was pertinent FOOD FOR THOUGHT on the subject. Me, I just replaced both tires with MC tires...so I have a while to ponder the whole thing before I make any further decisions on the subject. I would be curious of how any of your insurance companies responded to an injury/accident claim while running on the darkside.
Odd....I asked my insurance company and they said as long as it was a DOT legal tire for use on the road then it didnt matter.
Cap'n Nemo - 2011-04-19 8:14 PM
I hate to poke here, but I still have found no earthly reason to run a car tire on a motorcycle except to be cheap.
That and load handling is the only reason I do it. The Bridgestone is rated at 1201lbs and the Dunlop E3 is rated at 992lbs. 2 up and pulling a trailer Im either very close or I am overloading the stock tire.
That extra 200lbs gives me some piece of mind. I also was very, very skeptical on the handling compromise so I had an E3 at the shop when we put the car tire on. After mounting it the mechanic test rode it.....everyone was really surprised.� He noticed no difference in handling. Ive also noticed no perceivable difference - Im not Valintino Rossi though.�� I dont think its something everyone should/will do....but Im enjoying not having to buy tires every 8-10K miles....so far I have 22K on the Bridgestone and its easily got half tread left. Ive been practicing low speed tight turns in a parking lot and have found the car tires doesnt hold me back any at all. My skill, however, is....but Im working on it... lol
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New Mexico | Nozzledog - 2011-03-08 10:33 PM
I'm not commenting one way or another. . . my mind is still open
I've watched this video over and over, and it appears to me the Darkside has less rubber on the road during a hard turn, and the rubber that is making contact does not have tread up the sidewall the way a motorcycle tire does.
My boss told me today a friend this last weekend in Colorado had recently installed a car tire on his Harley and caused him to go down. Now granted, I don't know the model of bike or tire, or the experience level of the rider, and maybe tire was new. But still... Has anyone heard of an accident caused by a darkside?
I'm at 12k miles, and really trying to decide. I am cheap, but also am intrigued by the professed traction and smoothness of a darkside.
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New Bohemia, Va | all I know is, I'm open to the idea, but keep coming up no everytime, and the only one I'm discussing it with is me.
But two experienced riders that I hold in high regards laugh at the notion. One says, "I wouldn't want to be riding it when it blows" citing two incidents he was familar by other riders. The other just says "Cheap B*stards!" |
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Moravia, IA | Cap'n Nemo - 2011-04-19 9:09 PM
all I know is, I'm open to the idea, but keep coming up no everytime, and the only one I'm discussing it with is me.
But two experienced riders that I hold in high regards laugh at the notion. One says, "I wouldn't want to be riding it when it blows" citing two incidents he was familar by other riders. The other just says "Cheap B*stards!"
I dont know the circumstances of the blowouts....but any tire not properly inflate or taken care of can blow. There are literally thousands upon thousand of Goldwing riders running car tires....I havent heard of any "car tire specific" failures. A failed tire....like I said....car tire or motorcycle tire.....your run it low or hit something in the road and damage it....well its going to potentially fail.
For the record I have lots of other motorcycles....and they all run motorcycle specific tires. So Im not a motorcycle tire hater....nor will I put a car tire on ANY motorcycle. It has its place....
Boots - 2011-04-19 9:02 PM
I've watched this video over and over, and it appears to me the Darkside has less rubber on the road during a hard turn, and the rubber that is making contact does not have tread up the sidewall the way a motorcycle tire does.
My boss told me today a friend this last weekend in Colorado had recently installed a car tire on his Harley and caused him to go down. Now granted, I don't know the model of bike or tire, or the experience level of the rider, and maybe tire was new. But still... Has anyone heard of an accident caused by a darkside?
I'm at 12k miles, and really trying to decide. I am cheap, but also am intrigued by the professed traction and smoothness of a darkside.
Well the tire is shaped so much different its hard to really tell nor do I know how you would figure out the contact patch.
As for traction. I "feel" (again, no way to measure this really) that I have MORE traction.
My house sets on a sharp corner. In 5 years of motorcycling and riding this corner I know this thing like the back of my hand. I can take my sport bike and break the rear tire loose and drift the rear around this corner.
On my Vision with the E3 I could as well....
With the car tire....I cant get it done. I get it leaned over a bit.....crack open the throttle and it hooks up....lightens the front end and its done.
To me that means I have *more* grip. Again, cant measure it or give scientific reasons....its just "seat of the pants".
Even better is the wet traction. In the rain the car tire gives me a phenomenal amount of grip compared to the E3.
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| Boots - 2011-04-19 9:02 PM
Nozzledog - 2011-03-08 10:33 PM
I'm not commenting one way or another. . . my mind is still open
I've watched this video over and over, and it appears to me the Darkside has less rubber on the road during a hard turn, and the rubber that is making contact does not have tread up the sidewall the way a motorcycle tire does.
My boss told me today a friend this last weekend in Colorado had recently installed a car tire on his Harley and caused him to go down. Now granted, I don't know the model of bike or tire, or the experience level of the rider, and maybe tire was new. But still... Has anyone heard of an accident caused by a darkside?
I'm at 12k miles, and really trying to decide. I am cheap, but also am intrigued by the professed traction and smoothness of a darkside.
IDK. Looks to me like the contact patch each tire makes to the road is about the same except the CT has a lot more going straight. The right CT has tread that carries up the side a bit and more contact going straight could hepl braking and accel on slick conditions. Great video's. I've seen the one of the CT before but not a comparison between the two. Awsome!
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garland u t | i just put a car tire on vic vis .i like the wait limit on the car tie 1200lb and the bike tire is 800lb so car tire is safer when loaded for long trips and dam it handels so go that in corner you tend to push a little |
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Moravia, IA | fredh - 2011-04-19 10:35 PM
i just put a car tire on vic vis .i like the wait limit on the car tie 1200lb and the bike tire is 800lb so car tire is safer when loaded for long trips and dam it handels so go that in corner you tend to push a little
I also thought it handles almost as good.
....almost being the keyword.
The Vision and my Goldwing both handled superb with fresh E3s.....but after 3 or 4K it started going downhill fast.
No matter what I could NOT keep an E3 from cupping.....I religiously checked tire pressures.....I always had cupping, happened on both bikes (and to another Goldwing rider friend of mine as well).
The car tire isnt AS crisp as a fresh E3......but its a damn sight better then one with 4K on it.
Alternatively on my Goldwing I went to Kenda Cruz - a cheap tire that I would never have ran but someone recommended it to me. I tried it out and had none of the cupping issues I had with the E3. The Goldwing still has a MC tire on it. Recently its moved on to a new home since I never rode it much after getting the Vision. |
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