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| kevinx - 2013-02-25 3:09 PM rdbudd - 2013-02-25 12:09 PM lennyb - 2013-02-25 8:09 AM Rollin' - 2013-02-23 12:13 AM >"We asked Victory engineer James Holroyd to comment on some of the changes in 2011. Regarding reliability, James says ?This important improvement was made possible by the new transmission and its neutral-finder. Previous oil change intervals were dictated by oil breakdown making neutral harder to find at higher mileages. The neutral finder eliminates this problem, and allows you to get the full use out of your oil.? Seems to validate earlier post that the dealer had told a member that the engine will tell you when the oil needs to be changed. So, if I can still find neutral the engine is fine with going to 5,000 between changes, but is there a risk to adding wear to the tranny? The logic does follow, does it not? The Victory oil is admittedly (finally, by a Victory factory engineer) worn out by 2500 miles (which I have been saying for a dozen years), but the new neutral finder lets you run it another 2500 miles. That does not encourage me. Personally, I switched to an oil that has always gone 5000 miles in my older bike without a neutral finder, years ago. I'm convinced, by personal experience, that the oil was the major factor ( the early transmission design is a minor factor and can be compensated for) with the problems with the early bike's (1999 and 2000) transmission failures, and the reason for the 2500 mile change intervals prior to the addition of the neutral finders. Ronnie He does not admit or even state that the Vic oil is "worn out" Only that part of the additive package can degrade, and that they felt it better to change it. He states HIGHER MILES, but does not give a figure. Many have had their Vic oil independently tested; as far out a 7500 miles, and that I know of. The oil passes with flying colors every time. Don't care who's oil you run; in a no synchro Vic trans. Shift quality falls off around 3K. When moving to a full synth oil. You may move that point out 500 miles, but as also proven by many; you may shorten your clutch life We've been 'round and 'round this thorny bush several times  Technical explanations aside, the simple fact is that the transmissions become harder to shift as the miles accumulate on the Victory (and some others) oil, and they do not on synthetic oil, and neutral becomes harder to find as the miles accumulate on the Victory oil, and does not on the synthetic oil. I don't care if it is the additive package or the base oil that is getting worn out, the result is the same--poor performance and increased wear. The specific "higher mileages" aren't spelled out in that particular statement, but we all know that the statement was made in relation to the announcement of the change from 2500 mile oil change intervals to 5000 mile oil changes. Before the addition of the neutral finder, "higher mileage" was 2500 miles. As has been proven by so many, running a specialty oil designed for Harley Davidson and European clutch materials can cause the clutch to slip in a Victory. That is ONE specific oil out of several synthetics that are offered, even by the same company. You can't condemn ALL synthetic oils because SOME people used the wrong one for the application. The 20W-50 MCV sold by Amsoil is specifically targeted to Harley and European bikes if you read the applications sheet. Admittedly, their "applications guide" is FUBARed and has misled several people. The actual applications sheets tell a different story. I have never had any clutch slippage when running synthetic oil in either of my Victory bikes, but I also am smart enough to read the applications sheets and use the right oil for the application, and I have drag raced the bikes and pulled wheelies with them, but I have never used the 20W-50MCV (Harley) in my Victory either. I use the 20W-50ARO or the 10W-40AMO. It is an important distinction. Just for the record books, I chose 5000 miles (double the factory 2500 mile recommendation) for oil changes arbitrarily. I have gone as much as 6790 miles on an oil change using the Amsoil 10W-40AMO and the transmission was still shifting as good as it does on new oil at that point. With Victory oil in the crankcase, shift quality starts dropping off markedly after about 2000 miles on the oil. That's real world experience, not lab tests. Victory should have just put better quality oil in their bottles instead of adding doodads to the transmission to help one "get the full use out of the oil" IMHO. What will the excuse be if the owners of the bikes with the "new and improved transmissions" with the neutral finder if they start to have transmission troubles, since they will be running oil that was only good for 2500 miles before, but are now going 5000 miles on that same oil? Will it be 1999 and 2000 all over again? I sure hope not. Ronnie Edited by rdbudd 2013-02-26 12:02 PM | |||
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