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Pittsburgh, PA | I store my bikes in a garage attached to my house but it is unheated. Yesterday I washed all the salt off of my 4 wheeled vehicles and decided to start up the bikes which I try do to once a month during the winter. I have done this practice forever. During this year I purchase a new car for the wife and another wood working table mounted tool. So my garage is fuller then most and I had to park the vision in a different spot with the exhaust pipes pointed at one of the walls. I let it run for a minute or two and then goosed her a few times before shutting her down.
I noticed a bunch of oily looking liquid on the wall and wiped it down. It seemed to be wet soot. Is it normal to pick up that much condensation in the exhaust that it would pick up the soot and push it out? I have had my bike to 2 different shops in the past regarding the amount of soot on my gatalin gun tips. Both shops told me the bike is fine and that all visions have that soot to them. The hammer had very little moisture to it compared to the vision. I have an 2009 tour model with 13000 miles on it. This might have happened and went undetected as the bike was parked with nothing behind the pipes and I usually take them out and ride them but it started to pour just as I was rinsing of the last car.
I would appreciate any thoughts. Next nice day that I have a chance I plan on taking it out for a run to get her up to full operating temps. |
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Central Illinois | My exhaust will do that in the middle of summer when I am running daily. The bike runs quite rich when you first fire it up. |
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Jasper, MO | It's normal. I would suggest running the bike long enough to get the pipes hot enough to dry out the condensation. Running it for a just a couple of minutes, especially in cold weather, puts moisture into the mufflers which don't get "blown dry" until they heat up. This can cause your mufflers to rust out from the inside.
Running the bike for just a minute or two also puts moisture into the crankcase/oil.
I do the same as you, except I run the bike a little longer, until the engine is warm enough I can't keep my bare hand on the cylinders comfortably. Warm it up enough to "dry out".
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Visionary
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| the amount of condensation you sprayed on the walls is the same amount you just put in the motor by running it that short of period. Its not good practice to run bike in winter if your not going for a fifty mile ride. Now you have condensation in motor you will need new oil in spring.
I have had some thirty bikes over the years and maybe a hundred rider friends and no one starts there bike in the winter. There is no benefit to doing it.
You don't start your lawn more or out board motor or your street rod in winter and they run just fine. So why start the bike.
My garage was at zero a couple Mondays back. Have never had any problems with my bikes, |
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Cruiser
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Pittsburgh, PA | OK thanks for the replies. It was my intention to ride them as I normally do but the skies opened up just as I started it up. I never noticed that spray before and that is why I questioned it. For the record, I always to an oil change in mid to late February so that I when I start riding I am good to go.
Can anyone explain why the Vision runs so rich and the hammer does not? That bike has the same power plant but it's exhaust is not as sooty? I do not usually pay attention to other bikes but you I never noticed soot deposit on other Vics, just the Vision. Why is that? |
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Glendale, AZ United States | I don't see any issue there either. I have the stock exhaust and will notice some soot buildup in the pipes when give the honey a bath. As noted, she will run rich, especially during a cold start. I guess it must have been too cold to take the bike out, but if you didn't notice anything funky when on the bike I wouldn't worry about it. Battery tender and leave it be. |
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Visionary
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| soot on the tips is from getting on it. Soot does not mean the bike is rich. What do you get for mileage??
soot is exhaust that has coated the inside of the muffler and when you shut the bike off you get the condensation. So at start up the condensation gets pushed out.
You get the same thing on you car look at the car in front of you leave a stop light |
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Glendale, AZ United States | johnnyvision - 2014-01-16 5:21 PM
soot on the tips is from getting on it. Soot does not mean the bike is rich. What do you get for mileage??
soot is exhaust that has coated the inside of the muffler and when you shut the bike off you get the condensation. So at start up the condensation gets pushed out.
You get the same thing on you car look at the car in front of you leave a stop light
I know I'm a lil heavy-handed in town especially with an average highway cruise speed of 80 plus. I average about 33-34 gallon. I'm not sure what anybody else is getting. I'm also not sure what would account for the occasional backfire, which is something we all seem to experience from time to time while riding with the bike at operating temp if she's not a little rich. |
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Visionary
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| yup I would say 33 to 34 is rich. I changed mufflers and add a Lloydz timing wheel and am at 42 to 45 mpg |
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Glendale, AZ United States | johnnyvision - 2014-01-17 6:21 PM
yup I would say 33 to 34 is rich. I changed mufflers and add a Lloydz timing wheel and am at 42 to 45 mpg
I'm not sure why the significant difference in gas mileage and fuel injection to boot. I also noticed a significant difference in mpg when rolling over 80mph on the highway on the long trips. It seems to me like when you are rolling over 3000rpm consistently there goes the gas mileage. I'm riding out to Arizona Victory in Tucson on Wednesday for new rubber and will talk with Mike Shultz. |
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| johnnyvision - 2014-01-17 8:21 PM yup I would say 33 to 34 is rich. I changed mufflers and add a Lloydz timing wheel and am at 42 to 45 mpg And what kinda muffler did you change to? How many degrees did you set your timing up? |
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