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fish51
Posted 2012-09-19 12:05 AM (#123915)
Subject: Muffler removal


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 42
Bella Vista, AR
Is removing the mufflers off the Vision always a big pain in the butt or did I just go about it all wrong? Do you always have to take loose the plate inside the fender? Is there a trick to getting the saddlebag lower trim panels off? This thing kicked my butt all afternoon for a muffler mod that yielded me very little.
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varyder
Posted 2012-09-19 3:16 AM (#123917 - in reply to #123915)
Subject: Re: Muffler removal


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA
Remove door, remove lower panel, no tricks.
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sarvbill
Posted 2012-09-19 6:09 AM (#123918 - in reply to #123915)
Subject: RE: Muffler removal


Cruiser

Posts: 135
Chesterfield, VA
No need to remove the saddlebag door.  Just open the door and remove the lower covers to gain access to the muffler mounts.
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varyder
Posted 2012-09-19 6:36 AM (#123919 - in reply to #123915)
Subject: Re: Muffler removal


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA
Bill, I won't disagree that it cannot be done, but putting them back on is more of a trick then if the doors are removed, unless you know of another trick that I don't. I've pulled mine off several times thinking this time I'll get the lowers off and back on again without pulling the doors, then I end up pulling the doors just to get the lowers back on. What's the trick?
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fish51
Posted 2012-09-19 12:36 PM (#123931 - in reply to #123915)
Subject: Re: Muffler removal


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 42
Bella Vista, AR
I thought of pulling the doors off, and probably will if I do it again. My biggest problem is the opposing mounts for the muffler. The two forwardmost mounts have to be moved towards the tire to come out, but the mount at the rear of the muffler prevents that from happening. I read about people changing pipes in an hour, and I just don't see it happening. I've got to be missing something.
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nailer
Posted 2012-09-19 1:54 PM (#123934 - in reply to #123931)
Subject: Re: Muffler removal


Tourer

Posts: 366
Albuquerque, NM
If you're talking about the two bolts that mount to the side lowers, you have to twist the muffler towards the tire to allow the muffler to move back once the input and output clamps have been loosened. A rubber mallet or a strap wrench should do the trick. Put some anti seize on the joints when reinstalling and it'll slide in and twist very easily.
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fish51
Posted 2012-09-19 3:21 PM (#123937 - in reply to #123915)
Subject: Re: Muffler removal


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 42
Bella Vista, AR
Are you able to turn it with the rearmost muffler bracket up against the fender bracket?
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varyder
Posted 2012-09-19 4:37 PM (#123941 - in reply to #123931)
Subject: Re: Muffler removal


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA
Given the ideal circumstances I can see changing them in an hour.  The harder part is realigning the doors if you pull them.  I end up pulling them because it is too much to try and fanagle the lower pieces back in with the doors on.  I use grease when I put them back together and that makes them twist and slip off easier when you have to remove them.
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atvtinker
Posted 2012-09-19 8:56 PM (#123950 - in reply to #123915)
Subject: Re: Muffler removal


Tourer

Posts: 466
Grand Cane, LA
There is actually a little technique you have to use to get the lower valance back under the door. You have to "twist the valance" ever so slightly to get it started under the door while it is open. Have done it several times and it works everytime. Just remember it only takes a little twist especially towards the rear of the valance.
A good strap wrench is really needed to get the mufflers to turn to get the bolts out of the holders and then slide the mufflers back off. I prefer to use a high temperature anti-seize at the joints when putting it back together. Makes it a lot easier getting it off the next time.


Edited by atvtinker 2012-09-19 8:59 PM
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sarvbill
Posted 2012-09-20 6:13 AM (#123970 - in reply to #123919)
Subject: Re: Muffler removal


Cruiser

Posts: 135
Chesterfield, VA

varyder - 2012-09-19 7:36 AM Bill, I won't disagree that it cannot be done, but putting them back on is more of a trick then if the doors are removed, unless you know of another trick that I don't. I've pulled mine off several times thinking this time I'll get the lowers off and back on again without pulling the doors, then I end up pulling the doors just to get the lowers back on. What's the trick?

Chris, when I installed my Honker mufflers I never even thought of removing the doors to get the lower valence off.  With the door open, you can access all the allen bolts along the top lip.  If I remember correctly, to actually remove and re-install the valence (line it back up) you have to adjust the valence while also adjusting how far the saddlebag doors are open.  Believe me, if I can do it, then it really isn't difficult.  I would be more concerned with getting the doors properly lined up again after removing them. 

 

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varyder
Posted 2012-09-20 6:48 AM (#123971 - in reply to #123970)
Subject: Re: Muffler removal


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA
sarvbill - 2012-09-20 7:13 AM

varyder - 2012-09-19 7:36 AM Bill, I won't disagree that it cannot be done, but putting them back on is more of a trick then if the doors are removed, unless you know of another trick that I don't. I've pulled mine off several times thinking this time I'll get the lowers off and back on again without pulling the doors, then I end up pulling the doors just to get the lowers back on. What's the trick?

Chris, when I installed my Honker mufflers I never even thought of removing the doors to get the lower valence off.  With the door open, you can access all the allen bolts along the top lip.  If I remember correctly, to actually remove and re-install the valence (line it back up) you have to adjust the valence while also adjusting how far the saddlebag doors are open.  Believe me, if I can do it, then it really isn't difficult.  I would be more concerned with getting the doors properly lined up again after removing them. 

Thanks Bill.  I know I'll be pulling them off again sometime, so I'll check it out.  I have put one back in without pulling the door, but it was stressing out to get it go.  I was tried and probably wasn't holding my mouth right.  After that episode I figured it was best to pull the door.  Thanks for feedback.  Time for another ride...hopefully in a few weeks.  I'm having a minor job/hours change...but I'll still be where I am now.

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JS5Owner
Posted 2012-09-22 3:38 PM (#124098 - in reply to #123915)
Subject: Re: Muffler removal


Cruiser

Posts: 231
Desert Hot Springs (Palm Springs area), CA

I was able to do both mufflers today in about 2 hours... I took my time and followed the shop manual. I didn't remove the doors, just the lower valance and the side covers right behind the engine. I did put my bike on the tip-overs and boy did that give me room to work. I did break the silly little "darts" that hold the side covers in the middle but my local ACE hardware has a good selection of auto-body hardware (in their assorted hardware bins) and actually had little push darts that fit and worked just as well. I put on mufflers that I took to a custom exhaust guy who cut them open, removed the baffles, then inserted a baffle the length of the pipe, then re-welded the pipes back together. The results are great! Wonderful growl when I get on it, and at 65+ I can still hear my stock stereo through my full face helmet. Total cost: $80 per pipe + $2 for the "darts" and about 2 hours time.



Edited by JS5Owner 2012-09-22 3:45 PM
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LA Victory Rider
Posted 2012-09-22 4:12 PM (#124101 - in reply to #123915)
Subject: Re: Muffler removal


Cruiser

Posts: 241
Monrovia, Ca
Jeff what do you really think?
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JS5Owner
Posted 2012-09-22 5:44 PM (#124103 - in reply to #124101)
Subject: Re: Muffler removal


Cruiser

Posts: 231
Desert Hot Springs (Palm Springs area), CA

LA Victory Rider - 2012-09-22 4:12 PM Jeff what do you really think?

Uhh, well, they are OK I guess...<grin>

 

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johnnyvision
Posted 2012-09-22 6:26 PM (#124104 - in reply to #123915)
Subject: Re: Muffler removal


Visionary

Posts: 4278
Do you think that Victory over engineered the muffler supports.
Come on 3 mounts and a clamp that is to big for most cars.
Guess we never can say we get a vibration from the exhaust like some other v twin
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fish51
Posted 2012-09-23 1:15 AM (#124109 - in reply to #123915)
Subject: Re: Muffler removal


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 42
Bella Vista, AR
That's what I was thinking too. I was hoping to hear someone say that they cut the front two mounts off and only use the one in the back. That would make life a heck of a lot easier. Think it would hurt?
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