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Visionary
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| Just wondering if anyone else has gone to the Avons for their Vision? If not I'll try to keep an accurate record of how they work out on mine once the front is installed. I'll probably switch over on the rear as well come time if the front seems to be working well.
ps... not trying to start a tire debate, just thought options might be a good thing. |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | your bike your money your choice, but I think the standard recommendation is to run like model and manufacturer tires on front and rear at the same time for the best performance. |
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Visionary
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| Varyder, I don't see it being an issue, but I'll let you know, thanks.
I found running a Dunlop front and Avon rear was a great combination for my RG. However if I don't like the reversed setup on the Vision I'll toss on a rear, the current one is getting worn anyhow. |
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Tourer
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Gettysburg, 2008 Tour Premium | Not sure about the Avon for the Vision but in the past always ran a little extra pressure when swithing to Avons. Good riding tire. Interested in how you like the front and what differences it makes. |
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Visionary
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| Ok slight glitch with the tire which works in my favor. The dealer brought in the Avon AV71 which is the new Cobra radial. Still should be fine with a good speed and load rating. The pattern is very unique, with superb coverage due to a very shallow sidewall. Hard to say at this stage if there is a significant improvement if any at all since the old was so worn anything would be better. I will say it makes me feel more comfy knowing I have good rubber up front and this Avon is a much quieter running tire in a curve.
On a side note my front brake pads were down to 31 so I'll install some EBC pads tonight. |
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Visionary
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| I love Avons on my V92C bikes. I ran about 45 lbs. They always feel like sneakers on the bike. I look forward to you findings.
I am the kind that wonders when a tire place says, you need to have matching tires on for proper performance.... Sure he's better off selling me 2 new tires and selling my old 1/2 worn tires to one his buddies.
I am happy with the Dunlops they even served me well before the Avons before. Just that Avons are "better" in my opinion.
Will you be changing the rear valve stem or have you already? I was thinking toward a stainless steel or chrome 45 degree. Hoping it would be easier to get to? |
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Visionary
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| RedRider, just tip your bike over on the rollovers to check and air the rear. Makes it real simple. I've known too many folks who have gotten flats at speed from 45 degree stems leaking so I won't run them as a personal preference. If I like the front tire I may give the rear a go but thats a few thousand miles away, I hope, lol.... |
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Visionary
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| It breaks my heart to think of Anny laying on her side just to check tire pressure. She would look more like she was giving birth. O.o
I don't have a need for a big air compressor but wish they made the work style M/C lifts with electric powered motors. 
I have read where people had problems with the stems. Is it the full metal stems our the rubber stems? 18 wheelers have used angled stems for years I remember them back in the 70s. I never found a broken stem on any tire I repaired. It sounds more like an improperly installed stem but it's not worth testing on my bike. :P
Edited by RedRider 2009-07-01 4:49 AM
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Visionary
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Ruskin, Fl | I just had new E3s installed front and rear at the dealer. When I got on the bike I thought they had installed power steering the front moved so easy. Also I used to have to push the bike into a turn. Now it feels like to wants to "fall" into the turn, for lack of a better word. After a couple of days finally decided to see what pressure the dealer had in there. 70 PSI rear and over 60 PSI in the front. Put it back to low 40's PSI. Much better. Can't trust anybody. |
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LaPorte,Tx. | If they screwed up that, you might want to check the rotational arrow is correct. |
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Cruiser
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Kincardine, Ontario, Canada | Had Avon Venoms on my Electra Glide, just loved them, great traction. I never tried the E3 on the HD as they were not available in a WWW.
I just got back from 7 out of 8 days of solid rain in the east Coast, the New England States and Quebec. I was taking the twisties both up and downhill in the rain and was leaned over pretty good. In Trois Riverier, I thought I was in a monsoon and road through overpasses with 2 or 3 inches of standing water, no issues. I'm giving a thumbs up to the stock E3's. I never had a moment of uncertainty in the rain, but I was mindful of abrupt inputs.
I don't know how long the tire will last, but I have always excepted traction over mileage. Definitely replacing with E3's when these are gone. |
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Tourer
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Tucson, AZ | I only have 5700 miles on my "V", but when I'm due for a new rear, I'm Going Dark Side. I haven't figured out what size it will handle, I will. Had two on on my Valkyrie and loved the ride.
OK, flame on! |
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Visionary
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| Gray rider, I considered the darkside route when I replaced my rear tire BUT since the rear tire gets 14-16k from what the guys are reporting here there really wasn't any advantage. Keep me posted as to how it works out for you.
I just want to clear up any misunderstandings that might exist as to why I decide the Avon would be used this time. It was NOT because I didn't like the E3, it was simply a matter of trying something else I had liked in the past. So far I like it and it seems to hold both wet and dry roads well. It does feel a little stiffer than the E3 even @ 36psi whih the dealer put in. I'll be bumping that up to 40psi |
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Tourer
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Tucson, AZ | Teach,
Hey I appreciate not being flamed. It's not just the mileage I'm looking at because I don't have a problem with the price of tires. I like the softer ride and the better braking, especially in the rain that I liked. I know there have been negative comments about the car tire following grooves in the road, which they tend to do, but the overall advantages out weigh the negatives. I never had any problems with curves. I have done my best to make the bike slide in a curve, and it would not. I have never felt more confident on my Valk than when I was going Dark Side.
Besides that, it looks cool! |
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Iron Butt
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| Teach, I had the Avon Venom Rs on my 1800 Goldwing for about 8K miles and their performance in dry conditions was fantastic. The down side to the Venom Rs was that I probably could have only gotten about another 3K to 4K miles out of them, much less than with the Dunlop E3s (I used to get 16K to 19K miles on a set of the Dunlop E3s) and the Venoms Rs didn't have nearly the same grip in the wet as the Dunlop E3s as I broke the rear tire loose on wet pavement a number of times coming out of a corner. Check out this Direct Line Parts link for their GL1800 tires, any of the ones for the GL1800 Goldwing will also fit the Vision:
http://www.directlineparts.com/byProduct.asp?prd=Tires&str=4 |
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Visionary
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LaPorte,Tx. | Gray rider - 2009-07-01 6:35 PM
I only have 5700 miles on my "V", but when I'm due for a new rear, I'm Going Dark Side. I haven't figured out what size it will handle, I will. Had two on on my Valkyrie and loved the ride.
OK, flame on!
Spent some time today changing brake pads on the Vision, so I looked at the clearance on the swing arm for this type of tire. Looks like you have an extra inch at most on the front of the swing arm. So in looking at the E3 with a diameter of 24.39" and looking at a Goodyear RS-A 205-50-16 @ 24" diameter, it would fit, I thnk. The fitment on the Goodyear wants a 5.5" rim, so it will probably work on the 5" rim. Looks like the cost is about a 1/3 of what an E3 is.
Also, what is all this BS about "Darkside", car tires have been put on motorcyles for decades! I don't give a flip if you "Mud & Snow" tires on your Vision, it is your bike. |
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Visionary
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Ruskin, Fl | VisionTex, I already know what else they screwed up. Had the rims powder coated black at the same time. After about 100 miles had a sense someting was wrong. Turns out the used the original bolts on the rotors without thread lock. ALL the bolts on the left rotor backed out far enough to start chewing up the lower leg of the fork. When I rolled backwards into a parking spot I bent two of them. To add insult to injury I opend the tool kit and tried to use the 10 MM open end and it broke (the tool) on the first bolt, so than there was blood involved. Walked to Autozone to buy two bolts, thead lock, and a set of box wrenches. I bet the dealer's ears are still burning. They offered to powder coat the forks for me if I pay for the labor for disassembly. Should be the other way around.
Happy Independance Day!
Edited by cw1115 2009-07-04 10:01 AM
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