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Puddle Jumper
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| Has anyone installed a factory Vision radio on an 8 Ball. I have seen various articles on aftermarket ones being installed but would like to see what is involved with installing a factory one. What would the cost be of the parts? I fully realize that the job would be tedious and time consuming, so any actual experience on this would be helpful. Thanks |
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Cruiser
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Nor Cali | Just so happens I have a quote in my hand right now from my dealer. There are 18 parts listed and the total come to $1312.24 and that's with my 10% discount. And there's still tax to be added, amount depends on your County or State where ever you are. I'll just listen to tunes via my Zumo or iPod.
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Iron Butt
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Rockford, IL | Whats all in the $1300+ quote from your dealer?
As in how much is the radio?
Is there any "special" wiring in the quote?
I guess what I'm trying to see is if someone picked up a used radio and a used console what else would they need? I think the wire harness and plugs and speaker wires and everything is there and its a plug-n-play type install and nothing else special is needed. But I could be wrong.... |
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Cruiser
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Nor Cali | Dude...I"m not gonna sit here and type out this entire quote, but the price of the radio is $674.52
The rest is everything else, speakers...all the misc. parts needed to install on a VV8Ball.
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Visionary
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| All you would need is a vision radio ( maybe Ebay) and a dash panel there is one one Ebay right now. Of coarse speakers. You would not have handle bar controls but thats no biggie
You should have all the wiring in the bike right now I would guess.
There has to be crashed vision around you just have to find one. If you look on Ebay and see some one with parts for sale write them and see if they have a radio. Make sure you see photo before buying a car radio |
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Visionary
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San Antonio, TX | It is a little more involved then just getting a radio. Send Jedi Jeff a PM and he can fill you in. |
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Fountain Inn, SC United States | I replied to Paul (landscape88) but figured I'd describe here as well so we are all on the same page.
Back in 2010, Victory was resistant to having anyone (including dealers) buy & install the radio in an 8ball. Not sure if they had an agreement with the radio manufacturer or if there were limited quantities of radios available. I do know that when the 8ball Vision was being developed, certain Vic Execs were steadfast in their decision NOT to allow the radio to be an option on the bike. They wanted the 8ball to be a different bike esthetically, not just in price point. I've been told there were numerous debates amongst marketing, engineering, and design folks on this.
Whether it was overwhelming demand, increased radio inventory, or realization of lost revenue, Victory finally relented. Dealers had to order the radio system piece by piece after looking at the parts diagram since no part list was supplied by Vic. Later, Victory provided the dealer with a list of Victory parts (right down to the bolt & screw) that were required. I have seen the list (but don't have it) and its lengthy and total cost was around $1300 for parts (in 2010) but I wanted the total integration of Am/FM/WB/ipod/gps etc, so I ponied up the $.
Some of the parts were backordered several months so I just waited patiently. I saved $$ on the speakers by going with Polk db521s ($90/pr) instead of the stock spkrs ($100+ each!). The Polks sound much better/cleaner/louder. But ultimately I ended up adding an outboard amp (Rockford Fosgate PB300X4 for $160) to get even more power and clarity. I'm very happy with the results. There's an installation article on this in the Articles section of this site.
There are probably several dealers around the country that have done the radio install on an 8ball vision and have a list of parts req'd. Two I know of are...
http://www.ArmandsPowersports.com (contact the mechanic Chuck)
http://www.maine-lyaction.com/ (contact the owner James)
FWIW, I wonder if the internal debates of what an 8ball Vision should be, or the price point of the Cross-X bikes actually led to its discontinuation. That's a discussion for another thread. |
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Iron Butt
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Rockford, IL | Jeff-
Any chance you have an idea on my question about the wiring part of this task?
Are the plugs for the radio there? And how about the speaker wiring?
Could somebody pick up a used radio and console and some speakers and plug them in and be ready to go? Less the handlebar controls...
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Puddle Jumper
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| call greg at rollin' fast cycle... 908-236-9000 ... i purchased a 2011 8-ball from him in May of 2011... and he ordered a million parts... and did the install.. i believe that the plugs were already there in the wiring harness... you simply had to add the million parts... I also bought a black tour pack (with speakers in it) .. and that simply plugs right in also ...
i wasn't happy with the 'stock' factory radio (even though i had a power antenna installed) .. it seemed as if the reception sucked at best, and didn't work at worst - on FM ... i also seemed to have the radio at or near full power routinely... so i added both the XM radio (absolutely awesome ... and a Rockford Forsgate amp ... and new speakers)...
i won't tell you how much money i have spent on the radio... or the 8-ball in general... i bought the bike because it was blacked out and slammed.. and i didn't want ABS and a heated seat or anything chrome... but having done 5 or 6 trips on Ultra Classics and Gold Wings.. i absolutely wasn't buying a touring bike without a radio...
the XM radio, with power amp, and upgraded speakers... absolutely cranks... it works... no compromises...
i also noticed the the Harley CVO Street Glide and Ultra Glide come with completely different radios than the stock bikes run of the mill Harleys.... something like 200 watt, harmon kardon systems... they crank...
bottom line...
i love the concept of the radio... i don't think most manufacturers are putting the right components on the bikes in their stock iteration to get the quality of sound you would want... the quality of a stock Vision radio - does not match up to the quality of the motorcycle itself... and i think the same goes for the Harley...
i noticed at the International Motorcycle Show at the Javitz Center in NY last month... there were quite a few companies selling higher end upgraded stereos, amps and speakers for bikes... i don't think it is because we are all audiophiles... it is because the stock radios suck
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Fountain Inn, SC United States | Lotzafun - 2012-01-31 12:58 PM
Jeff-
Any chance you have an idea on my question about the wiring part of this task?
Are the plugs for the radio there? And how about the speaker wiring?
Could somebody pick up a used radio and console and some speakers and plug them in and be ready to go? Less the handlebar controls...
Sorry for the delayed response. Just saw this.
The factory harness comes prewired for the radio and speakers if I remember correctly. I'll have to find my receipts, I think everything was listed. From memory, the 8ball Vision doesn't come with the spkr enclosures, spkrs, mp3 audio cable, nuts, bolts, compression nuts, grommets, center console, sub-console, handlebar controls & wiring. There's probably more.
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Iron Butt
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New York State | Putting the radio into an 8-Ball Vision is like putting a V-8 into a Ford Ranger sure it is possiable but it will cost big bucks because the bike was never intended to have it. |
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Puddle Jumper
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| putting a radio in an 8-ball is expensive..... i guess in 2010 and 2011 when the 8-ball was available... it would probably have been a better idea to pay $23,000 for a tour... .. then redo the suspension... remove the tour pack... get rid of the heated seat... remove all the chrome pieces and paint them black... remove alll the body work and repaint the entire bike black....
that strategy would probably only cost you $8,000 to $10,000 more than buying the 8-ball and adding a stereo...
oh... and by the way.. when you add the stereo.. you can actually put an amplifier that works.. and speakers that sound good...
i have heard both sides of this argument ... to someone who doesn't value or appreciate a 'slammed' bike... that is all blacked out... the Tour looks like a good deal (and i recognize prices went down considerably in 2012 ... but 8-balls don't exist anymore either).... but the bottom line is... the 8-ball and the Tour aren't the same bike... and they definitely don't ride the same (i encourage everyone to remove the Tour Pack if you don't really ride with a passenger and see how the bike rides - it is a completely different animal without that weight mounted 11 feet off the ground and 3 feet aft of the rear wheel)
the Tour is marketed towards the 50+ year old Gold Wing / Ultra buyer... it is all chromed out like a Lincoln Continental... some people like that...
the 8-Ball is marketed towards a younger guy.. someone who would probably be looking at a Road Glide or Street Glide...
speaking for the population born after 1970... we like flat black (look at the Ducati line of Dark bikes?) ... black on black on black camaros... we are not the chrome generation... chrome is like kryptonite to anyone under 45 years old... it is simply a different mindset...
a good dealer.. can order the parts.. and install the radio... no big deal |
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Iron Butt
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New York State | rfreddy - 2012-02-16 10:34 PM
putting a radio in an 8-ball is expensive..... i guess in 2010 and 2011 when the 8-ball was available... it would probably have been a better idea to pay $23,000 for a tour... .. then redo the suspension... remove the tour pack... get rid of the heated seat... remove all the chrome pieces and paint them black... remove alll the body work and repaint the entire bike black....
that strategy would probably only cost you $8,000 to $10,000 more than buying the 8-ball and adding a stereo...
oh... and by the way.. when you add the stereo.. you can actually put an amplifier that works.. and speakers that sound good...
i have heard both sides of this argument ... to someone who doesn't value or appreciate a 'slammed' bike... that is all blacked out... the Tour looks like a good deal (and i recognize prices went down considerably in 2012 ... but 8-balls don't exist anymore either).... but the bottom line is... the 8-ball and the Tour aren't the same bike... and they definitely don't ride the same (i encourage everyone to remove the Tour Pack if you don't really ride with a passenger and see how the bike rides - it is a completely different animal without that weight mounted 11 feet off the ground and 3 feet aft of the rear wheel)
the Tour is marketed towards the 50+ year old Gold Wing / Ultra buyer... it is all chromed out like a Lincoln Continental... some people like that...
the 8-Ball is marketed towards a younger guy.. someone who would probably be looking at a Road Glide or Street Glide...
speaking for the population born after 1970... we like flat black (look at the Ducati line of Dark bikes?) ... black on black on black camaros... we are not the chrome generation... chrome is like kryptonite to anyone under 45 years old... it is simply a different mindset...
a good dealer.. can order the parts.. and install the radio... no big deal
8 to 10 grand I think not.
A Black 2010 Tour 22000.
Trunk will get 1000 easy on E-bay
Silver body parts painted about 300 max
Seat heat removal very easy parts could be sold for 100.
Whole seat can be sold in tact 200.
Slaming the suspension about 600 in parts.
I almost Blacked out my 2008 went Chrome instead
Far cheeper to get 8-Ball look than to convert an 8-Ball to a tour level.
Plus check the posts here and at other Vic sites trying to build an 8-Ball up leads to cost and headaches.
Chrome won't get you home but removing Chrome and offering it up for trade will get responses from those seeking it.
Start with a used 2008 Tour and you could save way more
http://www.cycletrader.com/Victory-Vision-Tour-Motorcycles/search-r...
Edited by Trekwolf164 2012-02-17 6:04 AM
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Puddle Jumper
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| if your time has no value.. and you now want to consider 2010 bikes (used versus new) ... you could contort this argument to suit your needs... but for that matter.. why not look for a used 2008 or 2009 ...
my argument is simply for the guy who wants to buy a new bike... i purchased my bike... had the dealer order and install a stereo.. and picked it up...
i didn't disassemble the motor, valve covers and body to repaint it..
and i didn't have to open up an Ebay resale shop either...
or disassemble a seat - which i am not sure would even lower the seat...
your argument misses the point entirely..
there are people who are buyers of new bikes - as it is very convenient... and then there are people who are very price conscious..
given the availability of left over 2011 Tours, 8-balls ..and the price drop of the 2012... i thought that was what the discussion was about...
i suppose you could look for a used 2010 or earlier.. when the bike came in black.. so that you would only have to repaint and disassemble half the bike... instead of the whole bike...
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Iron Butt
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New York State | You can order a Black 2012 Vision it was announced at the IMS show but it has the same Vogue Silver splash as the other 2012's on the lower saddlebag, no graphics.
If you had looked at the Cycle trader Link I provided there were about 7 Black Visions ranging in price fro 10,000 to as high as 17,000 2008 thru 2010's.
If a person is going to modify the bike to suit their own prefrences starting with a used bike makes sense you get Loydz to work the motor and buy the lowering kit from Ness
The result would be a better than New 8-ball at a savings |
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Puddle Jumper
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| you should look at an 8-ball... i guarantee you there is no way you could paint and eliminate chrome for $300... there are cases and pieces of the motor that are black... the rims are black... i don't think you are familiar with the model...
if you don't like black bikes.. that is OK too... but to diminish the effort required to make it look like that - is why you don't understand how involved it would be...
yes - i get used bikes .. and that they are cheaper... but to compare the effort required to find a used bike... and then modify it... to the simplicity of a new bike - and paying for a stereo... that is not even the same thing...
i suppose i could buy a 1965 camaro... and restore the entire thing... or i could buy one at Barret Jackson's - that someone else restored... one scenario appeals to someone whose time has a value... the other appeals to someone who wants to customize cars?
and as for modifying the bike.. through Lloydz or anyone else... i suppose that is possible... but the value of used bikes is greater - if they are unmolested... because most people don't know what they are doing when they start re-engineering the bike.. and making it better than the guys at Victory did in the first place...
i have modified bikes... and i deal with the idiosyncracies that come with them... but my touring bike? the one i ride all over the country? i don't think i need a hotter cam or more power... or less reliability...
i really don't know how this post got to this point... your suggestion was off point... your solution to his question... buy a used bike... don't black it out.. spend the money on something else like cams? how is that even an opinion on whether it is cheaper to modify a new Tour to look like an 8-ball... or just buy an 8-ball and add a stereo? you make no sense... |
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Puddle Jumper
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| and by the way.... landscape 88 asked if anyone had actual experience in this area... i actually own an 8-ball .. and added a stereo... and it was effortless... i signed my name on a retail order... showed up a week later at the dealer with my helmet... and rode home...
and i did consider buying a Tour... and disassembling the entire bike to make it look like an 8-ball... but i have a job... and a life... and my money is impoprtant to me... and i have built many custom bikes over the years... so the thought of disassembling a new motorcycle... seemed like a dumb idea |
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Iron Butt
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New York State | rfreddy - 2012-02-17 3:53 PM
you should look at an 8-ball... i guarantee you there is no way you could paint and eliminate chrome for $300... there are cases and pieces of the motor that are black... the rims are black... i don't think you are familiar with the model...
if you don't like black bikes.. that is OK too... but to diminish the effort required to make it look like that - is why you don't understand how involved it would be...
yes - i get used bikes .. and that they are cheaper... but to compare the effort required to find a used bike... and then modify it... to the simplicity of a new bike - and paying for a stereo... that is not even the same thing...
i suppose i could buy a 1965 camaro... and restore the entire thing... or i could buy one at Barret Jackson's - that someone else restored... one scenario appeals to someone whose time has a value... the other appeals to someone who wants to customize cars?
and as for modifying the bike.. through Lloydz or anyone else... i suppose that is possible... but the value of used bikes is greater - if they are unmolested... because most people don't know what they are doing when they start re-engineering the bike.. and making it better than the guys at Victory did in the first place...
i have modified bikes... and i deal with the idiosyncracies that come with them... but my touring bike? the one i ride all over the country? i don't think i need a hotter cam or more power... or less reliability...
i really don't know how this post got to this point... your suggestion was off point... your solution to his question... buy a used bike... don't black it out.. spend the money on something else like cams? how is that even an opinion on whether it is cheaper to modify a new Tour to look like an 8-ball... or just buy an 8-ball and add a stereo? you make no sense...
I get it you don't understand that it is easier to remove the extras off a tour and paint it .
Then it is to bring an 8-ball up to Tour level.
As far as black bikes every bike I have owned was black except for my 2011 Tour premium |
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Puddle Jumper
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| oh ... now i understand.... you thought his question was 'is it possible to convert an 8-ball to a Tour?' .... i must have misread it... i thought he asked if you could put a radio on an 8-ball....
maybe you could help me with something... i am thinking about converting my Vison 8-ball into a 1972 oil in frame Triumph... can you guide me? |
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Iron Butt
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New York State | rfreddy - 2012-02-17 10:54 PM
oh ... now i understand.... you thought his question was 'is it possible to convert an 8-ball to a Tour?' .... i must have misread it... i thought he asked if you could put a radio on an 8-ball....
maybe you could help me with something... i am thinking about converting my Vison 8-ball into a 1972 oil in frame Triumph... can you guide me?
Just open your wallet.
Anything can be done |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | Trekwolf164 - 2012-02-18 7:51 AM rfreddy - 2012-02-17 10:54 PM oh ... now i understand.... you thought his question was 'is it possible to convert an 8-ball to a Tour?' .... i must have misread it... i thought he asked if you could put a radio on an 8-ball.... maybe you could help me with something... i am thinking about converting my Vison 8-ball into a 1972 oil in frame Triumph... can you guide me? Just open your wallet. Anything can be done Yep. I think the point is from the day the 8-Ball arrived folks wanted it, but wanted the perks too. 8-ball says bare-bones, or it use to anyways. This discussion has come up over the years since the 8-Ball and folks moan over the cost to put the perks on, and in reality it is cheaper to get the tour, and lower it with the 8-ball stuff. But wait, then you have to blacken it out to make it look like an 8-ball, expensive too. So, I usually refrain from discussions on this, but feel I need to say, nobody is right, and nobody is wrong. You want an 8-Ball with the premium perks, don't fuss over what it takes to make it happen, and vice versa. Keep in mind also, the 8-Ball has limits because of it being lower, and folks have commented on that. If you have an 8-ball or lower your tour, a skid plate would be a good addition. Know your ride, before you ride. |
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Iron Butt
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New York State | varyder - 2012-02-18 8:52 AM
Trekwolf164 - 2012-02-18 7:51 AM rfreddy - 2012-02-17 10:54 PM oh ... now i understand.... you thought his question was 'is it possible to convert an 8-ball to a Tour?' .... i must have misread it... i thought he asked if you could put a radio on an 8-ball.... maybe you could help me with something... i am thinking about converting my Vison 8-ball into a 1972 oil in frame Triumph... can you guide me? Just open your wallet. Anything can be done Yep.? I think the point is from the day the 8-Ball arrived folks wanted it, but wanted the perks too.? 8-ball says bare-bones, or it use to anyways.? This discussion has come up over the years since the 8-Ball and folks moan over the cost to put the perks on, and in reality it is cheaper to get the tour, and lower it with the 8-ball stuff.? But wait, then you have to blacken it out to make it look like an 8-ball, expensive too.? So, I usually refrain from discussions on this, but feel I need to say, nobody is right, and nobody is wrong.? You want an 8-Ball with the premium perks, don't fuss over what it takes to make it happen, and vice versa.? Keep in mind also, the 8-Ball has limits because of it being lower, and folks have commented on that.? If you have an 8-ball or lower your tour, a skid plate would be a good addition. Know your ride, before you ride.
Maybe it is just my charming personality but my painter said he would Black gloss and clear coat my silver parts for $300. If I brought them in. that was in 2009 |
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| I have a 2011 8-ball and had the factory radio installed by the dealer. And, frankly, couldn't be happier. It was expensive (around $1400), but the dealer did all the installs for free as part of the point of sale. One thing I haven't seen mentioned here is that while the 8-ball comes with a flat dash panel, when the radio came in, the new panel was a painted black one which matched the bike much better than the original. It sounds great, especially when I put the trunk on for trips. And as far as all the other comments on the 8-ball versus the tour goes, how the 8-ball sits, feels much better for me. I had looked and sat on the tour model several times. And while I really liked it, the thought of being on my tip toes with a 900 pound bike (I'm only 5'7" was something I couldn't wrap my head around. And when I found out I could add the features I wanted (radio, cruise, tour trunk, and windshield motor) and still come out about the same price (I paid right at $20k) as a tour model, I pulled the trigger. And I have been in love with it ever since. |
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Factory Vision Radio on 8 Ball
