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Pittsburgh, PA | rainryder - 2012-04-09 6:51 PM
Just went back to the Victory oil and had a hell of a time finding neutral at lights yesterday. Of course, we're having a heat wave up here, it was in the high 60's. For a blend that's supposedly just for this bike, it seems not so smooth. I'm kinda cranky.
thats the Exact reason why i stopped using it! (vic oil) |
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New Bohemia, VA | I just went back to Vic, I'm so confused.... |
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New Orleans, La, | I wanted to respond early onbut, I had technical computer issues. Any who I've been using Rotella T6 for the last 15K in my 08 VV that now has 50K and it is quieter, seems to run cooler, and less engine and engine noise. The tranny also shifts smoother and quieter, and I change oil at 5K intervals. Hope that my experience with Rotella T6 and the VV help you out. I know I'll be using T6 until they come up with something significantly better for the Vic engine. BTW I've had 0 clutch issues. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | one of the best things about the Rotella T6 is the price!!!! it is a great oil i used it in the past as well. and you can get it at walmart in a giant jug. i think it comes out to roughly 1/2 the price of motorcycle oil. yet it is motorcycle rated. Jaso.... |
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New Bohemia, VA | V92SC - 2012-04-10 8:38 AM I wanted to respond early onbut, I had technical computer issues. Any who I've been using Rotella T6 for the last 15K in my 08 VV that now has 50K and it is quieter, seems to run cooler, and less engine and engine noise. The tranny also shifts smoother and quieter, and I change oil at 5K intervals. Hope that my experience with Rotella T6 and the VV help you out. I know I'll be using T6 until they come up with something significantly better for the Vic engine. BTW I've had 0 clutch issues. I feel compelled to respond. Not giving any doomsday predictions and I would go back to the a full synthetic if I had a new clutch in. There are many things I have liked about a full synthetic in comparison to the Victory oil. Some of the things I like are: - Quieter on start up
- Quieter while hot
- Longer life, nearly double before the engine tick becomes pronounced
- Easy to find neutral, even when the oil is old (5,000 miles +)
However, recently, in the last 8,000 miles I begin to notice the clutch slipping, at least I thought I preceived it. It seemed to be that way through the life of the last oil change with synthetic. I say preceived because it seemed to be ever so slight. Wanting to get the maximum life out of the clutch I decided to go back to the ma-Vic semi-syn oil to see if it was stickier. At 112,000 miles on the bike and back on Vic oil the clutch seems to be new again. Grant it, I know there is wear, and I know I'm knocking on the door to replace it, but the semi-syn seems to have brought life back to the clutch. I no longer sense the clutch is slipping and feel the difference for myself. When I rode this past weekend two-up and put it to the test merging hard onto the interstate. I did not feel the clutch slip and actually felt it snap on engagement. Also, I pulled the gentle mountain grades without any issues. It was in those two areas, interstate hard roll-ons and "at-speed" roll-ons I would feel slight slippage with the full-syn toward the end. I'm going to look into the Rotella semi-syn T5 Silver jug to see if makes the engine run quieter than the Vic oil. To give the clutch the longest life posibble for me I have also taken on the: - The start-up tic
- The hot-running rattle
- Difficult shifting and finding neutral game
- Shorter intervals in oil changes.
But given the clutch life, I can live with these for a while.
Edited by varyder 2012-04-10 8:51 AM
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Pittsburgh, PA | that makes me wonder what is it about vic oil? i know one of the things about synth oil (not the only) is E.P. what they call extreme pressure additive. The additive once again is Not just One thing.. (example zinc) alot pf people think synth oil means it is slippier. its not about how slippy the oil is. Its about how much pressure (metal to metal) contact it can withstand, along with other things like how it flows on startup and or cold temps etc etc. I know vic oil tested well (at least according to amsoils tests) in the wear department. but then like others say when you get to a certain point in mileage you "hear" noises while using vic oil. I have to wonder are you loosing "protection" to gain better clutch engagement? also i think 100,000+miles is normal to see a clutch react in a not so New fashion. Im not saying it should be worn out. but i think its a little hard to expect it to operate the same as it did at maybe say 50K miles..
i wonder if the vic oil is the crutch to the real issue? i mean if the oil was solely the problem you would think in all the oil changes through out the 100,000+ miles the clutch would have slipped then at least once? right? it almost reminds me of when people change to a different oil to stop or slow down a engine from burning oil.. yes it works, but was that the "fix" for the problem at hand? in guess in the end, its what ever works!! =) |
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Brighton, TN | VAryder, blipping the throttle ever so slightly makes it like butter to find Neutral. If I don't rev it a little, it can be a daunting task to locate. Somehow, by spinning it up it slips right in.
FYI, I just put in Rotella T-5 and about a 1/2 quart of Regular Rotella (T3 I think). Why, cause that's what I had left. Works well, I love it and the price. I buy the 5 gallon jugs of Regular Rotella, which makes it even a little cheaper. |
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New Bohemia, VA | These are the debates I pay attention to, especially when I'm the one experiencing the condition(s). First, let me say, I trust all oil that meets the standard. What I mean by that, is that I don't expect my engine to blow up using it. I've had 3 different AMSOILS, a Rotella and the ma-Vic oil. I don't think I'm breaking anything because it ticks and tacks, I just don't like to listen to it. I believe also that dino oil does "stick" better than a synthetic. It seems that synthetic oil coats, dino and semi-dino sticks, I really don't know what I'm saying because I'm not an engineer. I was doubtful that there was really any big difference between full syn, and semi, but when I felt the slip, I heard the voices of reason in my head. I've been warn, both by the manufacturer and users that that synthetic is super slippery, but was okay to use with wet clutch "friction" plates. I carefully considered it if was my imagination, but after this weekends ride the "tightness" is there. I'm not telling anyone that synthetic is bad, and I stand on the mantra, "If it works for me, leave me alone!" I'm merely sharing I have noticed a difference for me to remain on ma-Vic or other acceptable semi blend until it is time to replace the clutch. I'm not implying that the oil has made the clutch go bad, I don't believe that for a second. I'm saying, my clutch is worn enough that it appears that full syn is making it slip just enough, and that semi-syn is allowing me to run another mile more before I have to break into the belly.
Everything has its condition to tweak and I've spent a lifetime taking advantage of tweaking to make things work. I rode my older goldwing a few thousand miles with a blow head gasket and steam coming out the tail pipe. I would stop every so often and add water to keep me riding... |
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