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| don, it is really hard to explain the feel of a DS tire on a bike, but you never roll on the sidewall and I can't imagine you could roll the bike over that far. If you watch any video on DS tires you will notice something about the tire as the bike gets up to speed, it is no longer flat. This is why DS riders wear out the middle of the tire before anything else. Radials stand up when rotated at speed so the tire profile becomes more rounded and less flat. Tire pressure of course plays a role but if you are running 30 or so psi in the Vision rear with a DS tire you don't feel the hump (as I call it) as you roll over for curves. At slower, aka parkinglot speed you do because the tire is still relatively flat profiled at that speed. You will also feel more resistance or a need to push a little harder on the handlebars in a curve at slow speed but much less as the bike speeds up, again tire profile difference at low verses higher speeds. Now if you ran higher pressures in the tire say 40-42 psi, you'd definitely experience the abrupt change you mention in your post and you would feel the hump. However like a tire on a car the DS tire should be aired at 30-32 psi, not bike tire pressures.
I did experience exactly what you mentioned when I first put the DS tire on my vision. After about 200 miles and having talked to a friend who has run them for years I lowered the pressure to 30-32 psi and the difference in ride characteristic was huge, no more hump. The biggest or most noticeable issue (for lack of better word) was the tire would ride a rut much more regular than a mc tire. Rut being one of those weird ripple in the road surface caused by a collapse in the blacktop due to cage tires. This wasn't any worse than bikes I've ridden with 240 & 300 series mc tires, but I toss it out so folks don't get surprized.
I'm neither for DS tires or against their use. However having given them a go has given me a new perspective on the application. I figured it would be too easy to get over on a DS sidewall, but as much as I tried & pushed it, I never came close to it. "I" prefer a MC tire, but can see the practical advantage of the DS. You should give someones bike equiped with a DS tire a go if the opportunity presents itself. I believe you'll be surprized. Probably wouldn't change your position or like for a MC tire but it might be interesting for you. Ride safe... |
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New Bohemia, VA | clubford00 - 2010-04-18 8:44 PM
How do i delete this reply? it was a double post
double posts are best filled with a good biker joke. go green and save the double post. |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | Well said Teach. I have no problem with the DS, but personally did not like the "feel" of it on the Visions I have ridden that way. My old SC was as good, or better with the car tire on the back though |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | OK - I think I might understand. Tim, you talk about DS Tire - but I haven't bought tires for 30 years. I just buy a new car when the warranty runs out. Dimensional Stability Tire - it almost LOOKS like a bike tire. I feel better about that (not that I would ever put one on a bike - to each, his own) Chris ! I was just worried about ya (and you others who have crossed to 'the dark side')
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New Bohemia, VA | donetracey - 2010-04-18 10:23 PM
Chris ! I was just worried about ya (and you others who have crossed to 'the dark side')
You talkin' to me? I've not done the DS. It's like this, I wear Levi's because I like the way they wear and feel. Wrangler's can be cheaper and just as good quality, and may even wear longer, I don't know, but I just don't like the way they feel. I'm not willing to give up my Levi's (E3) tires to try Wrangler's to find out. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | ive gone from MT to CT then back to MT and now might think about a CT again.. the orignal reason i went from the CT back to the MT was custom wheels and installing a 250 rear tire.. the CT is very nice if your a person that racks up the mileage! like some on here with a 08 vision thats already over 60K miles! =) i know alot of gold wing riders do this.. thats where i stole the idea from years ago.. these guys doing these cross country rides etc. all they worry about it the front tire. |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | these guys doing these cross country rides etc. all they worry about it the front tire. That's cuz they don't go round a curve at anything over Mother Hubbard speed. Even the old ladies here in BC would run them off the road. Remember - some places actually have CURVES - not just right-angle intersections. And the bike actually LEANS OVER onto the sides of the tires. Including the rear..... And the more I look at that picture of a DS Tire - I wouldn't want one on my CAR ! Unless I had a Yugo or some little underpowered thing like that.... |
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Pittsburgh, PA | You mean curves like the 2 videos I posted? Or curves like US129 I Rode (4) times with a car tire? Find me a road with more curves than 318 in a 11 miles... LOL. I remember many years ago people saying you couldn't sail the ocean because it was flat and You would go off the edge of the world. Wonder what ever happened to that Guy?. (It was unsafe and couldn't be done, so say the ones that never tried).. |
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New Bohemia, VA | I can side with Don on the CT, but then I'm not riding one either. I look at it this way, if that is what someone wants, including me, then it is my bike, I say ride on. There's a lot of things in this world that seems to be a good idea and people are happy with it, but as with anything else, it's not for everyone. I still have lots of people in my life that can't figure out why I ride a motorcycle to begin with, but they don't put me down because of it. They tell me to be safe because they won't come looking for me...
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Pittsburgh, PA | varyder - 2010-04-19 8:38 AM
I can side with Don on the CT, but then I'm not riding one either. I look at it this way, if that is what someone wants, including me, then it is my bike, I say ride on. There's a lot of things in this world that seems to be a good idea and people are happy with it, but as with anything else, it's not for everyone. I still have lots of people in my life that can't figure out why I ride a motorcycle to begin with, but they don't put me down because of it. They tell me to be safe because they won't come looking for me...
I like the way you put that!! Its the truth.. =) |
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orrick, mo | I started a new tread called Darkside update with my experience on the darkside. Hope you find it informative. |
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Allen Park, MI | Arkainzeye - 2010-04-19 9:41 AM
varyder - 2010-04-19 8:38 AM
I can side with Don on the CT, but then I'm not riding one either. I look at it this way, if that is what someone wants, including me, then it is my bike, I say ride on. There's a lot of things in this world that seems to be a good idea and people are happy with it, but as with anything else, it's not for everyone. I still have lots of people in my life that can't figure out why I ride a motorcycle to begin with, but they don't put me down because of it. They tell me to be safe because they won't come looking for me...
I like the way you put that!! Its the truth.. =)
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