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Prairie City, IA United States | Sorry guys, this was a reply to the almost killed a biker post.
The biggest reason drivers give is that they "didn't see him" and rightfully so. Our mind is trained to see cars and trucks. Something smaller tends to look like a car that is further away making the illusion that we are safe to proceed. It is also our responsibility as riders to make ourselves visible or be defensive in our riding skills. I always plan on being invisible to cars and trucks and drive accordingly. It is always better to be alive vs. "dead right" when riding a bike.
As for loud pipes post. I call BS on that one. I have been passed by many loud bikes on the freeway and by the time I hear them, they are at best beside me. Loud pipes do not save lives. They just piss off other drivers and cause ill feelings towards motorcycles in general.
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Central Maryland | That's your opinion about loud pipes on bikes.
My opinion is; they do save lives. I can rap aftermarket pipes behind a car, and see the drivers head pop up and look around. I can do that with a set of muffled pipes, and not get the same response from the car driver..
Been there, done that. Loud pipes work.
Helmets do not save lives. Until they are needed. Loud pipes don't save lives. Until they are needed.
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Ruskin, Fl | I like my louder than stock pipes but don't agree that they save lives. There may be an occasion that somebody does not see you and hears your exhaust if it's obnoxiously loud. That's what the horn button is for. I drive a fire apparatus with a very loud siren and a ridiculously loud air horn pointed FORWARD and people don't know we are behind them very often. Also there is a reason we change the siren mode when we approach an intersection. If you are being heard for a while, people tune out the sound. Same would go for riding near a cage for a couple of miles; they will no longer "hear" you. Did I mention the blinding LED lights?
You have to be on high alert for dumbass drivers and not count on your exhaust to warn them of your presence. |
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Ruskin, Fl | I like my louder than stock pipes but don't agree that they save lives. There may be an occasion that somebody does not see you and hears your exhaust if it's obnoxiously loud. That's what the horn button is for. I drive a fire apparatus with a very loud siren and a ridiculously loud air horn pointed FORWARD and people don't know we are behind them very often. Also there is a reason we change the siren mode when we approach an intersection. If you are being heard for a while, people tune out the sound. Same would go for riding near a cage for a couple of miles; they will no longer "hear" you. Did I mention the blinding LED lights?
You have to be on high alert for dumbass drivers and not count on your exhaust to warn them of your presence. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | years ago i actually had a neighbor tell me he would hear my pipes BEFORE seeing me around a blind turn entering the plan of homes i lived it at that time. so in my case loud pipes was a warning i was coming around this turn/corner they werent super loud but they were louder than stock and people hear me B4 seeing me.... at least so i was told.... |
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Prairie City, IA United States | Is it your intention to scare the driver or get his attention that he is entering your space? Startling a driver just makes them mad and then you become a target. I like a nice rumble on a bike but ear bleeders just give us all a bad name. A bad name means less respect for us on the road. Just sayin. |
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Central Maryland | Haters think loud pipes are obnoxious, because they focus on the extremely loud ones; who misbehave with them. Without a thought to responsible use of them, which is practiced on a wide scale by other bikers. Haters are totally biased....
.... Sort of like guns. A criminal uses one, and Haters feel all guns should be prohibited, even from law abiding citizens whom use them for lawful purposes... but I digressed...
Proponents know that judicious and warranted use of an aftermarket pipe; in a traffic situation will gain them additional attention, and maintenance of right of way.
Haters cry that you cannot rely solely on loud pipes for your survival on the road.
Proponents already know this; and augment their survival with good riding skills, awareness and protective equipment.
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Akron Ohio area | First, loud pipes are illegal in most States.
Secondly, loud pipes don't save lives.
I personally like my "stealth mode" of riding.
I don't want to wake up the traffic cop after I've gone by. |
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| I traded in my stock pipes in for a set of louder pipes, and I have noticed that I have not had as many problems with people trying to change lanes into me. If I am passing a car that is not paying attention I can always give it a little gas and then they know that I am there. There are still several ways to be taken out by a car, but I have to day that after having both I agree that loud pipes have made me feel safer. |
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Central Maryland | bigfoot - 2011-11-29 7:33 PM
First, loud pipes are illegal in most States.
Secondly, loud pipes don't save lives.
I personally like my "stealth mode" of riding.
I don't want to wake up the traffic cop after I've gone by.
But you like to speed; I take it from the way you phrased your post about the traffic cop. That's illegal too.....
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Central Maryland | C130Dan - 2011-11-29 7:51 PM
I traded in my stock pipes in for a set of louder pipes, and I have noticed that I have not had as many problems with people trying to change lanes into me. If I am passing a car that is not paying attention I can always give it a little gas and then they know that I am there. There are still several ways to be taken out by a car, but I have to day that after having both I agree that loud pipes have made me feel safer.
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New Bohemia, VA | loud pipes are, well, loud pipes. People will do anything to justify what they do. Bottomline, folks don't ride with loud pipes to save their life, they do because they want to be heard. Don't you dare dispute that because now you're a hater. I'd like to see some proven statistics, not a neck jerk of "what is that noise". If that be the case then motorcycle of all kinds would be at risks just because they don't have loud pipes. It's best to let well enough be, the best we can do is encourage each other to ride safe and take a motorcycle safety course. Even the tough 1%ers will recommend that good advise.
The best this thread is doing is keeping activity on Vision-Riders, other than it has been really boring around here --- everybody got other things to do or something....???? |
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| Like I always say, when someone says to you, "I didn't see you, ask them the last time they ran over a cat?" Today an animals life is more valued than a fellow human. You see it everyday in parking lots and at crosswalks.
I agree saying loud pipes don't save lives. So you bought into the Samson pipe advertising..... They had to come up with something cause their pipes suck. Everyone I have talked to with loud pipes tell me they don't hear them because they are in front of them as they ride so if they don't hear them then a car won't. Then you have the guys with loud pipes wearing ear plugs, duh.
A horn does a great job as long as you know how to use it. Even the stock horn does it's job.
The only thing loud pipes do is "Look at me, look at me. " Sorry you need the attention. |
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ROCHESTER,NY | THE REASON FOR CAGE'S NOT SEEING OR HEARING U IS. THEY ARE NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO THE TASK AT HAND.THEY ARE DDOING EVERYTHING ELSE IN THAT CAGE,EXCEPT FOR PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT THEY ARE DOING,OR THE RULE'S OF THE ROAD. I LOVE TO RIDE,LIVE TO RIDE!!! BUT IF YOU ARE JUST OUT THERE CRUISING AROUND,AND ARREN'T ON THE DEFENSE 1000% OF THE TIME!!!! A CAGE IS GOING TO GET U. As for the loud pipe's, this is AMERICA,last time I checked. To each,his own. AND REMEMBER!!!! SAY " MERRY CHRISTMAS" AND "HAPPY NEW YEAR"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RIDE HARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LIVE FAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DIE FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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New York State | willtill - 2011-11-29 6:52 PM
bigfoot - 2011-11-29 7:33 PM
First, loud pipes are illegal in most States.
Secondly, loud pipes don't save lives.
I personally like my "stealth mode" of riding.
I don't want to wake up the traffic cop after I've gone by.
But you like to speed; I take it from the way you phrased your post about the traffic cop. That's illegal too.....
Loud pipes are like wearing a sign that says pull me over look through my pockets and write tickets or better yet arrest me.
If I am in the wrong place I do not need my bike waving its arms and jumping up and down shouting look at me .
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Central Maryland | Trekwolf164 - 2011-11-30 8:06 AM
willtill - 2011-11-29 6:52 PM
bigfoot - 2011-11-29 7:33 PM
First, loud pipes are illegal in most States.
Secondly, loud pipes don't save lives.
I personally like my "stealth mode" of riding.
I don't want to wake up the traffic cop after I've gone by.
But you like to speed; I take it from the way you phrased your post about the traffic cop. That's illegal too.....
Loud pipes are like wearing a sign that says pull me over look through my pockets and write tickets or better yet arrest me.
If I am in the wrong place I do not need my bike waving its arms and jumping up and down shouting look at me .
That's funny. I run loud pipes on all my bikes; soon as well on my Vision (when I get the Thrush glasspacks). I have yet to be pulled over as a result of them. And I have been riding for MANY years. Maybe it's because I use them prudently; which is what I have been trying to advocate here?
I bought into the concept that pronounced pipes over stock; help alert the car traffic around you; because it does. I live it and see it every day when I ride with aftermarket pipes. They simply work and the haters just can't grasp that concept and get their brain around that. Seriously comical.... 
Haters still gonna hate.... can't see past their already preformed; biased and ill informed opinions of a bike with a aftermarket exhaust.
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New York State | willtill - 2011-11-30 9:13 AM
Trekwolf164 - 2011-11-30 8:06 AM
willtill - 2011-11-29 6:52 PM
bigfoot - 2011-11-29 7:33 PM
First, loud pipes are illegal in most States.
Secondly, loud pipes don't save lives.
I personally like my "stealth mode" of riding.
I don't want to wake up the traffic cop after I've gone by.
But you like to speed; I take it from the way you phrased your post about the traffic cop. That's illegal too.....
Loud pipes are like wearing a sign that says pull me over look through my pockets and write tickets or better yet arrest me.
If I am in the wrong place I do not need my bike waving its arms and jumping up and down shouting look at me .
That's funny. I run loud pipes on all my bikes; soon as well on my Vision (when I get the Thrush glasspacks). I have yet to be pulled over as a result of them. And I have been riding for MANY years. Maybe it's because I use them prudently; which is what I have been trying to advocate here?
I bought into the concept that pronounced pipes over stock; help alert the car traffic around you; because it does. I live it and see it every day when I ride with aftermarket pipes. They simply work and the haters just can't grasp that concept and get their brain around that. Seriously comical....
Haters still gonna hate.... can't see past their already preformed; biased and ill informed opinions of a bike with a aftermarket exhaust.
The reason you may not get ticketed is your location.
If you ride down the streets of the NY area and are setting off car alarms you will meet the cops.
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Akron Ohio area | willtill - 2011-11-29 7:52 PM bigfoot - 2011-11-29 7:33 PM First, loud pipes are illegal in most States. Secondly, loud pipes don't save lives. I personally like my "stealth mode" of riding. I don't want to wake up the traffic cop after I've gone by. But you like to speed; I take it from the way you phrased your post about the traffic cop. That's illegal too..... Yep, but my speeding doesn't wake up the babies in their cribs. |
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Ruskin, Fl | OK, there is loud and than there is stupid loud. I like loud. I don't have Ness Big Honkers (which are kinda mild in my opinion) for cars to hear me, it's because I like it. There are people I choose not to ride with on a long trip because I need earplugs. If I want ringing in my ears I'll got the range without my muffs! |
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New Mexico | Come on, folks! By saying loud pipes don't save lives you are showing your ignorance, and lose credibility with the discussion. There is absolutely no doubt loud pipes save lives. In the 100+ years of motorcycling can you honestly sit there and say loud pipes have not saved anyone's life!?! That is ridiculous. A statistical impossibility.
On the flip side, I couldn't say with certainty loud pipes hasn't cost someone there life, but I would guess that percentage is extremely low, and well worth the risk compared to the benefit.
The question is does this Safety Device justify the negative press, waking babies, pissed off drivers, etc? For me, the answer is yes, this is a Safety Device I KNOW works. Have seen it get the attention of distracted cages literally hundreds of times.
I know personally the modulating headlights some bikers use annoys me, but is a safety device they choose to use. Their choice.
Horns generally suck, and require you to reposition your hand in an emergency situation. Some choose to use their horn, I don't. Their choice.
Lastly, I will say I try to be a courteous neighbor, keeping the rpms low & using slow, easy acceleration in residential neighborhoods, late-night, around small children, etc. But when I need it, is good to know it's available.
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seattle, wa | If loud pipes saved lives, then school buses would have them. |
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seattle, wa | If loud pipes saved lives, then school buses would have them. |
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New Bohemia, VA | never a clear winner here - statistically, does taking a motorcycle safety course save more lives than loud pipes? Do all people live that wear all the gear all the time when they are involved in an accident? Do modulating headlights save lives in every circumstance? In the 100+ years of motorcycling, stupidity has taken more lives than anything else, can I prove it? I don't have the statistic, but in hearing comments and reading many articles on motorcycle crashes I've come to the conclusion the majority were mistakes made on the riders part that caused the wreck and usually a fatality. Too fast for conditions, under the influence, distracted, fail to yield and so on. But, let one cager be putting on their makeup and crash into a motorcycle, that gets all the attention and all of the blame for all accidents, or so it seems. Though that should be dealt with harshly, how do we handle the rest?
I just hope that compensations for safety is taken in the proper context by all riders so all of us can live to ride another day. |
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| varyder - 2011-11-30 11:33 AM
never a clear winner here - statistically, does taking a motorcycle safety course save more lives than loud pipes? Do all people live that wear all the gear all the time when they are involved in an accident? Do modulating headlights save lives in every circumstance? In the 100+ years of motorcycling, stupidity has taken more lives than anything else, can I prove it? I don't have the statistic, but in hearing comments and reading many articles on motorcycle crashes I've come to the conclusion the majority were mistakes made on the riders part that caused the wreck and usually a fatality. Too fast for conditions, under the influence, distracted, fail to yield and so on. But, let one cager be putting on their makeup and crash into a motorcycle, that gets all the attention and all of the blame for all accidents, or so it seems. Though that should be dealt with harshly, how do we handle the rest?
I just hope that compensations for safety is taken in the proper context by all riders so all of us can live to ride another day.
Stupidity? Gee thanks Chris, I feel bad enough already.
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