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falcon 269
Posted 2008-05-21 6:51 PM (#10684)
Subject: New Rider - New Challenge


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 8
Hi everyone,

Like the title says, I'm new here and new to the cruiser bike world. Very new. Be gentle with me, please.

I have a challenge ahead of me next week. Quite a big one, in fact. The top-selling UK bike magazine has asked me to fly back to the UK - I live on the south coast of Spain - next Monday to collect a Victory Vision from a dealership in Cambridgeshire, England.

On Tuesday, I'm to ride the bike to Calais in France, via the Channel Tunnel, in company with 2 other riders on other bikes. We will stop overnight in Calais and then at 8:00am on Wednesday, we each set off in different directions. The other 2 riders will head for Moscow and Istanbul respectively, while I'm tasked to head south through France and Spain. We are to ride as far as we can within a 24hrs period and then stop at 8:00am on Thursday.

After a brief rest/sleep, we're to turn around and head back to Calais aiming to arrive back in the UK by Friday evening/Saturday morning. Obviously we're to write up our experiences on our return and these will be published in a future edition of the magazine.

Now, my riding background is sports bikes and sports-tourers. My current ride is a 2002 Yamaha FZ1 which I bought new and to me, it's the absolutely perfect all-rounder. It will tour, scratch, stunt or whatever I want it to do. I've tuned it, modded the suspension and seat and can do 12-14hrs a day with no real difficulty. I have, though, never ridden a big cruiser and the closest I've gotten to it is sitting on one in our local US cruiser import dealership. So, next week is going to be a real challenge and a new experience in every respect.

In essence, I will be doing two Ironbutt rides with about 8 - 10hrs break between them. Or, put another way ... fly from my home to the UK; ride back to my home; ride back to the UK; fly back to my home ... all in the space of 6 days.

So, any advice you might care to offer would be greatly appreciated. I'll take it as read that the sane ones will say "stay at home ... don't pass Go" but trust me, if I don't feel safe in the saddle, I'll stop wherever I happen to be at the time and the heck with the mission brief.

In particular, what should I be aware of with the bike itself - I'm hoping I have a full dress Tourer but I won't find out until tomorrow - with regards to cruise speeds/fuel consumption/handling and comfort? I'm not a big guy (5' 7" and 160lbs) but I'm not intimidated by the size and weight of any bike. I certainly don't expect to throw it around like the FZ1, that's for sure ... steady as she goes is the intention.

Anyway, that's enough from me ... I'm about to turn in and start storing sleep but I hope to awake to some helpful and encouraging replies here in the morning.

Cheers and many thanks in anticipation,

Mike


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cjnoho
Posted 2008-05-21 8:18 PM (#10687 - in reply to #10684)
Subject: Re: New Rider - New Challenge


Visionary

Posts: 1324
So Cal
Best advice I can offer, is take some time to get used to it. The Vision is a whole diffrent animal when it comes to handling. You wont believe how easy this bike handles.
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SongFan
Posted 2008-05-21 9:14 PM (#10691 - in reply to #10684)
Subject: RE: New Rider - New Challenge


Visionary

Posts: 3204
Memphis

Welcome Falcon,

Be sure to check every control on the bike.  In a few rare cases, some switches have been known to be wired backwards.  Make sure the ignition switch recall was done if your bike needed it.  Keep the tire pressure above 40 psi (or the European equivalent).  You will probably like the rear shock set a little stiff.  

Build in extra time at every stop to talk about the bike.  You will feel like a rock star.  Enjoy the ride! 

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autiger2
Posted 2008-05-21 9:54 PM (#10695 - in reply to #10684)
Subject: Re: New Rider - New Challenge


Cruiser

Posts: 71
Opelika, AL
You should get above 40 miles per gallon with the Vision... Be sure to fill it while the bike rests on the sidestand... go slow and watch the fuel as it transfers between the tanks... should be able to go 200 miles before looking for fuel....

As soon as the bike moves, the weight goes away and it maneuvers well at slow speeds... also at cruising speed...

How fast you want to cruise is up to you.. the bike is up to the task... crosswinds may blow you a little sideways, but it will remain planted firmly on the ground...

Basically.. you can ride it like you stole it... it handles very well for a full touring bike... you can lean lean lean on this thing before it scrapes... and you can always pump the shock up if you need more clearance...

Enjoy... you lucky devil!!! What a job!!!
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Spock
Posted 2008-05-21 10:26 PM (#10697 - in reply to #10684)
Subject: RE: New Rider - New Challenge


Tourer

Posts: 495
Carrollton, TX

Hi Falcon,

If for any reason you don't want to do the asignment let me know and I will be happy to accept it. Your a lucky guy!!

The Vision is a dream bike. I have put over 7,500 miles on mine in just 60 days. I did a 1,000 mile ride from Maggie Valley, NC, through the Tail of the Dragon and on to Dallas, TX all in 14 hours and 45 minutes and after all of that I felt like I was sitting in my office chair all day. I could have gone another 200 to 300 miles no problem. The Vision is the most comfortable bike I hve ever ridden. I do have a backrest installed but it is great without it also.

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GAgirlTrixie
Posted 2008-05-21 11:31 PM (#10702 - in reply to #10684)
Subject: RE: New Rider - New Challenge


Tourer

Posts: 320
Savannah, GA -Year round riding!! Yay!

I hate every one of you guys.... you all get the cool rides! Yeah, you're probably going to post videos and maps of some twisties.... Just kidding....

Welcome Falcon. I pity you. But, I'll get over it. I am about the same size as you, slightly shorter, a little heavier, but close. You won't feel the weight of this bike. It is incredibly well balanced. I have ridden sport bikes and sport tourers (did cross country on my ST1300 last summer).. The Vision does not have the turning radius of the sport class, but the comfort level is incredible. Practice your U-turns before you take off. Being air cooled, you will feel more heat, especially off the left side, near your ankles (I wear half chaps regularly for this). Yeah, what they said about extra time for fuel stops. Man, everyone wants to talk to you about it. The lower end of the gears don't have the pull of the lower end of the FZ, in the same sense. There is much more power in the top range. Play with it and get used to it before you take off.

Many happy miles to you. I'd love to see the article when you write it. Please post info!

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Breaker
Posted 2008-05-22 12:08 AM (#10703 - in reply to #10684)
Subject: Re: New Rider - New Challenge


Iron Butt

Posts: 732
Western WA
Greetings Falcon,

If you're looking for sane people, you might have come to the wrong place. All I could do as I read your post was think, "Oh. . .that sounds like SUCH a good time."

I think you'll find the bike extremely comfortable. We, (the wife and I), did a 14 hour tour last week with minimal stops and I can honestly say I've never climbed off a bike feeling better. No soreness, no stiffness - it's just a great ride.

With the big floorboards, the ability to change your foot and leg position is extremely beneficial. By pulling your legs all the way back you can get your feet underneath you, more like a dual-sport position, to really hit the curves. You can also stretch your legs all the way out for a more relaxed cruiser position.

Other than that, I can't add to what others have said other than to say ride safe, have fun, and be sure to post back here letting us know how it went.
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badnvegas
Posted 2008-05-22 1:38 AM (#10704 - in reply to #10684)
Subject: Re: New Rider - New Challenge


Cruiser

Posts: 175
Colorado
Fantastic...take a camera and share will ya! The only thing I would think you need to be sensative to is the beast looks big, but handles very nicely like a much smaller bike so don't nose down hill in a parking space. The only other thing I can think of is pick up your feet if your get lazy she will let you know it. Bring a MP3 Player..hopefully you will get a premium...

Have fun the roads are nice in northern France can't say I know what its like heading south..but if you get a chance visit Normandy and give us a great photo...

Ride careful and I look forward to seeing your article or at least a quick briefing along your journey. .
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badnvegas
Posted 2008-05-22 1:39 AM (#10705 - in reply to #10684)
Subject: Re: New Rider - New Challenge


Cruiser

Posts: 175
Colorado
ohhh one more thing...come ride in Colorado when the work is done!
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falcon 269
Posted 2008-05-22 1:55 AM (#10707 - in reply to #10684)
Subject: Re: New Rider - New Challenge


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 8
Well, good morning and thank you all for the warm welcome and the encouraging feedback! In reply and in no particular order ...

Yes, I am a lucky SOB. I did a comparison road test with the 'Bike' team two years ago (old FZ1 vs new model vs Honda CB1000F), a gig I got because of my long-time association with the original model. That was a blast - literally - around England and northern Scotland and included some hard-riding days. The final day saw us ride nearly 700 miles in total, including numerous stops for photo shoots ... about 16 hours saddle time all told. I guess my endurance was noted. Actually, I think I really got the call because I'm available and cheap.

I'm thinking the Vision I'll be taking will be a dealer's demo bike, so hopefully it will have a few extras. Sat nav would be good, but I don't see it listed as an option. No worries, I can read a map and once I'm south of the Pyrennees I'll be on home turf

I'm very excited about trying something completely new to me in bikes, especially a large capacity V-twin. I've noted the comments about comfort, handling and fuel consumption - most encouraging. The advice on tyre pressures, shock settings and known technical gremlins is particularly valued and I will certainly give the bike a thorough going over before I set off. Thanks

My provisional plan is to hit mostly autoroutes (European SuperSlab ) on the outbound leg. If you're interested, go to Google maps (http://maps.google.com/) and select Get Directions. Start point: Peterborough, Northamptonshire, UK. Destination: Torrevieja, Spain. It's around 1400 miles each way between the 'Bike' magazine office and my home on the Costa Blanca. I'll route back via Zaragosa, as I hope to have a little more time in hand for the return trip and can take a more scenic route to explore other aspects of the Vision's performance away from pounding straight concrete.

A particularly neat feature of the outbound leg is that it will take me over the Millau Bridge in France, the tallest vehicular bridge in the world. It's something I've been planning to visit and now I'm being paid to do it! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millau_Viaduct

I'll pop back here regularly to share my plans and pick your brains until I leave next Monday. I will certainly get back to you with an account of the adventure after the event.

Please keep the ideas and advice coming

Cheers!

Mike



Edited by falcon 269 2008-05-22 1:57 AM
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RedRider
Posted 2008-05-22 6:07 AM (#10709 - in reply to #10684)
Subject: Re: New Rider - New Challenge


Visionary

Posts: 1350
Enjoy your trip.
I don't have my Vision yet but I have taken 5 demo rides. The one thing I feel that is important to get used to on all Victorys is using the throttle at slow speeds. Giving her a little gas will make her stand up straight and tall. Take a ride around the parking lot when you first get on and you will see what I mean. Get your feet up and go.
Ah yes, I would love to ride along with you guys. Stop at a local street side cafe in Spain for cheese and wine. I can picture the locals coming over asking lots of questions but respecting your space.
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falcon 269
Posted 2008-05-22 4:53 PM (#10742 - in reply to #10684)
Subject: Re: New Rider - New Challenge


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 8
Man from 'Bike' magazine speak with forked tongue

Having tempted me onboard with the offer of doing the southbound route through France and Spain (where the sun will be shining), I've now been allocated the Istanbul route. Oh well, I've never been that way before and I can do France easy enough from where I live at any time, so accentuate the positives, eh?

The weather forecast isn't too good through Central Europe but the eastern end of things looks better. Istanbul is 1770 miles from Calais, so I will not be getting that far in 24 hours, that's for sure. However, I think Zagreb, Croatia is well within safe range and quite possibly Belgrade, Serbia. Figure around 2300 miles round trip Calais - Belgrade in 3 days, if all works to plan.

Of course, no plan survives contact with the enemy (in this case, my navigation and the weather ) but I reckon I'm in for a fun week and I'm really looking forward to trying such a totally different bike to anything I've ever ridden previously. I'm ready for all the questions at fuel stops, but my French/German/Serbo Croat/Italian leaves a lot to be desired.

Pics and report to follow on my return ... again, many thanks for the information and confidence-inspiring feedback on the Vision. I'm open to more of the same until I launch from home next Monday morning, so please keep it coming.

Cheers!

Mike

PS. The Moscow-bound guy is on a BMW1200GS and the southbound rider has been given a Kwak ZZR1400 ... somehow I think I got the best deal for this kind of trip.

Edited by falcon 269 2008-05-22 4:55 PM
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SongFan
Posted 2008-05-22 5:34 PM (#10744 - in reply to #10684)
Subject: RE: New Rider - New Challenge


Visionary

Posts: 3204
Memphis

Falcon,

The leg with the lousy weather will make you appreciate the Vision even more.  The FZ1 is a great bike but you will find yourself comparing it's shortcomings to the Vision when conditions are less than perfect.  The power windshield, heated grips, heated seats, huge floorboards, excellent tyres (euro spelling) and cushy seat will have you redefining what the "perfect" bike is.  You will surprise yourself on curvy roads.  ("No way this thing weighs 850lbs!" 

The nastier it gets the more you will be amazed.  You will need less layers of clothes than you think.  You will probably overdress because of previous rides.  Don't dress for the "wind chill".  There won't be any.  You will comfortably ride in 20 degree (F)  colder weather than ever before.

You won't believe it. 

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autiger2
Posted 2008-05-22 8:11 PM (#10749 - in reply to #10684)
Subject: Re: New Rider - New Challenge


Cruiser

Posts: 71
Opelika, AL
Let it rain!!! not much need for rain pants unless you're standing still or it's raining cats and dogs...

Oooooh yes... you are going to have an enjoyable ride...
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falcon 269
Posted 2008-05-23 2:01 AM (#10773 - in reply to #10684)
Subject: Re: New Rider - New Challenge


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 8
I like the sound of this bike more and more

I love my FZ1 and to me, it's the perfect bike for the sort of riding I do ... very mixed, in other words. I tour on it but know and accept its limitations in that capacity relative to dedicated tourers. Owning one bike that is required to do many things is all about compromise, isn't it?

Thankfully, I seem to have drawn exactly the right bike of the three on test for this particular challenge. Living somewhere that enjoys 320 days of sunshine a year, I'm deeply relieved to learn that wind chill and rain will be no real factor under most circumstances.

Route planning is taking shape nicely and I hope to learn more about the particular bike I'm taking later today.

Catch you all later, too

Cheers

Mike

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Miles
Posted 2008-05-23 5:59 AM (#10777 - in reply to #10684)
Subject: Re: New Rider - New Challenge


Tourer

Posts: 548
Mount Vernon, WA United States
Hey Falcon,
I'm a bit of a sport touring rider myself. I also have a Victory V92C Classic Cruiser. All I can add is the bike and how it handles will be the LEAST of your worries. Although I don't own the Vision yet, I have ridden a few times. It's much closer handling like my Moto Guzzi V-11 Sport than my other Victory Cruiser. It actually feels lighter than my other Victory too. You will be pleasantly surprised.

I think the best endorsement I have heard for how easy it is to "get used to" is from folks that went on the Kyle Petty ride last year. They showed up on a Thursday in Maine, and then did an ERC ride course 1st thing in the morning. Most people did the course the first time out. That's pretty amazing when you think about it. Riding a new bike, for the fist time, with almost no prep time, right into an advanced maneuvering track/course. The next day the headed out for the trip to Florida. That pretty much paints the picture of a bike you just get on and ride, no matter what your "other" ride is or was.

enjoy.
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lowtone9
Posted 2008-05-23 6:33 AM (#10779 - in reply to #10777)
Subject: Re: New Rider - New Challenge


Cruiser

Posts: 140
Hey Falcon, I saw the thread over on FZ1OA too.

I think you will like the bike, just make sure you don`t drag your feet when leaving from a stop. The rear tip-over stops can trap your feet, not a good thing.

Have fun!

Edited by lowtone9 2008-05-23 6:35 AM
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lowtone9
Posted 2008-05-23 8:39 AM (#10781 - in reply to #10779)
Subject: Re: New Rider - New Challenge


Cruiser

Posts: 140
Oh yeah, the Vision is not a cruiser, but it might handle like one if you don`t have the suspension adjusted correctly.

Open the left side saddle bag and towards the front you will find the rear shock air fitting and a chart that correlates air pressure to load weight. Very important to get this right. I don`t want to read in my favorite motorcycle magazine about how the Vision wallows in turns...

Looking forward to reading about your ride.
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falcon 269
Posted 2008-05-23 3:35 PM (#10807 - in reply to #10684)
Subject: Re: New Rider - New Challenge


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 8
Hi Lowtone,

I've checked today and I've been lined up with a Vision Street model. No big top box (no big deal, I'm travelling real light) but no satnav, either. Oh well, I've some old Bomber Command maps that should see me OK through Germany ...

I've also spoken to the dealer supplying the bike and asked him specifically to set the shock for my weight and my intended light luggage load.

It would be a help if someone could give me an idea of how much can be fitted in the side panniers. I've seen 14.6 galls quoted but how does that translate to stuff like spare lightweight bike jacket/jeans/shoes and a half dozen T-shirts? Oh, and without a satnav, it would be good to have somewhere to put maps and route directions, like the clear panel on a tank bag. Will the Vision take a normal tank bag?

Cheers, guys - the countdown continues and the excitement is building nicely

Mike
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space_cwboy
Posted 2008-05-23 4:26 PM (#10810 - in reply to #10684)
Subject: Re: New Rider - New Challenge


Cruiser

Posts: 235
Evergreen, CO
Side bags hold more than they look. I have the following in ONE saddlebag:
Toolkit (approx 8X4X3 inches)
2 piece rainsuit
2 pairs gloves
Lunch sack (approx 12X6X3 inches)
After work, I fold an add my leather riding jacket (mid to heavyweight leather)
Still room for more stuff, especially if you want to fill the number of small open spots.

Jeans/shoes/half dozen t-shirts in the other saddlebag should be quite easy. Shoes depend upon size....tall boots or large hikers may be marginal, but likely to fit. Tennis/running shoes should fit without thinking.

A couple from Colorado flew to Salt Lake City, picked up a Vision Street, and rode it back to Denver area (long one day ride), and were able to fit everything for both rider and passenger in the two saddlebags.

Tank bag may be an issue. First, the "tank" on a Vision is all plastic, so a magnetic tank bag won't "stick" too well. Second, look online at pictures of the Vision's dash and console, and you will find that there are many switches/buttons/etc that you probably will want to access during your journey. There is a rather small triangular shaped panel between the console and the front of the seat. You might be able to fold up a map, insert it in a plastic sleeve, and tape it there, but while underway it might be a bit dangerous to look that far down. I think it would be best for you to look at pictures of the Vision tank/console area before you pick up the bike to see if you can come up with a good location for a map.

Ride safe, ride hard, ENJOY!!!
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sandman
Posted 2008-05-23 5:37 PM (#10814 - in reply to #10684)
Subject: Re: New Rider - New Challenge


Cruiser

Posts: 294
rhode island
Welcome Falcon 269
get a g.p.s even a cheap one is worth it's weight in gold on any trip. keep the rubber side down.

Edited by sandman 2008-05-23 5:38 PM
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GAgirlTrixie
Posted 2008-05-23 6:53 PM (#10818 - in reply to #10807)
Subject: Re: New Rider - New Challenge


Tourer

Posts: 320
Savannah, GA -Year round riding!! Yay!
Bring a bungee net or tail bag. There's lots of great tie down spots on the rear seat if you need it. There is an easy access panel on the dash that a paper map will stow way in for easy access. Ditto on what was said on adjusting the air. I just adjusted mine for the first time (kept meaning to do it and forgot...), and it improved the maneuverability tremendously! It was at 21 (which was way too low for a top case, me and what I normally carry). I bumped it up to 38, and it is so much easier to handle!
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falcon 269
Posted 2008-05-24 2:43 AM (#10829 - in reply to #10684)
Subject: Re: New Rider - New Challenge


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 8
Thanks all, SC's info on baggage space puts my mind at ease; shoes, no boots will be the plan. The tank bag is clearly a no-go but I'll stow it on the rear seat as Trixie suggests to me a bit extra free space in case I need it.

Paper map/directions in dash will do it for me this time but this could well be the trip that persuades me to get a satnav ...

Cheers!

Mike
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falcon 269
Posted 2008-06-02 4:21 PM (#11260 - in reply to #10684)
Subject: Re: New Rider - New Challenge


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 8
Just a quick update. I'm back after spending 5 days with a Vision, covering 2780 miles in total. Rode for 31 hours/1500 miles precisely on fuel stops alone - well, apart from a 20 mins power nap by the roadside after 20 hours.

The bike impressed me and took good care of me, especially when I rode for several hours through torrential rain in Germany and France.

I was astonished by the agility of the Vision - even though you did tell me all about it in advance - and cossetted by the comfortable riding position. As a life-long I-4 rider, I found the big cube V-twin motor engaging and endearing. Totally different but a lovely motor in its way.

I'll be doing the full write-up for the mag this week and will post a sneak preview here if you're interested.

Cheers!

Mike
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DesertJim
Posted 2008-06-02 4:27 PM (#11262 - in reply to #10684)
Subject: Re: New Rider - New Challenge


Tourer

Posts: 496
Scottsdale AZ
Mike- Yes, I for one would like to see the link of your write-up and a sneak preview as well. Glad it was a safe ride also.
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