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Duanesburg N.Y. | Just saw the pic from Rollin in the cheap fix solution forum and he posted the car tire pic for $80.00 and it seems so wrong that it might be right. I just gotta know more about how it handles and rides. My dunlop is due in a few thou and this seem like it might be fun to try if for no other reason to just erk other people and waist $80.00 Of course it has to be safe to ride with the wife aboard.
Who else has tried this crazyness?
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Albuquerque NM | Try searching the forum and the internet for darkside, it seems most people have an opinion on the subject. I'm thinking of trying it when my E3 is due, but it was new when I bought my bike. |
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| There are several of us riding on the "dark side". I've been riding on a car tire for over a year. I started on a car tire reluctant, but did it out of necessity due to a trip I have to the arctic circle, just can't get the mileage out of a MT to complete the 12000 mile trip. Just put on a Michelin Primacy Alpin form trip, which I leave for in 9 days! Can't wait. I am very happy with the Michelin and it performs very well. Just search and google " darskide motorcycle" lots of info. Good luck |
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| I say if all the riding you do is straight line super slab, solo, in low to zero traffic, where you can't hurt anyone else, knock yourself out. Otherwise a car tire on a motorcycle is about as safe as drinking and riding. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | this has never been talked about before... LOL almost as much as oil is Never talked about... Shhhh (im joking with ya) |
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| There is some great information on car vs motorcycle tires on this forum from someone who knows tires a hell of a lot better than most.
http://www.motorcycleforums.net/forum/off-topic/47922-darkside-cont...
enjoy. |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Kelvininin - 2012-05-21 1:56 PM I say if all the riding you do is straight line super slab, solo, in low to zero traffic, where you can't hurt anyone else, knock yourself out. Otherwise a car tire on a motorcycle is about as safe as drinking and riding. +1 |
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Central Maryland | Kelvininin - 2012-05-21 4:56 PM
I say if all the riding you do is straight line super slab, solo, in low to zero traffic, where you can't hurt anyone else, knock yourself out. Otherwise a car tire on a motorcycle is about as safe as drinking and riding. Oh please.... what a stupid analogy.
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| Kelvininin - 2012-05-21 3:56 PM
I say if all the riding you do is straight line super slab, solo, in low to zero traffic, where you can't hurt anyone else, knock yourself out. Otherwise a car tire on a motorcycle is about as safe as drinking and riding.
Kelvin.... you've made the claim in a public forum that riding on a car tire is going to hurt someone else and is as safe as drinking and driving. You will, of course, only have made this claim based on hard evidence and not some kind of unproven personal theory, as that would simply be irresponsible.
I've been looking for such evidence for years now and have not been able to find any, so I'd really appreciate knowing where you obtained yours.
and NO.... I'm not a darkside rider, just someone who is fed up with crash and burn claims being made against car tires based on zero factual data. I'm only too happy to be proved wrong, but.....
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Phenix City AL. | I run the same car tire, I had the 195/16 potenza it was good, I got a nail in it on they way to daytona, got the elite 3 installed, 2k miles later, got a nail in it, so I put the winter sport run flat on. My review is the 175 60/16 is great, in the rain it beats the mc tire hands down, the only issue I have with it, is getting on the gas hard, from a side street or drive way, you can feel the flex in the tread, however I have not had it do that under anyother condition, to include fast corners. I will test it out in the mountains next week, I am a very spirited rider, so we will see how it does. If you ride like a normal person you will like the wintersport. Riding with a car tire IS NOT THE SAME AS RIDING IMPAIRED, , thats just a silly comparison. I am also going the start pulling a camper with my vision, O SHIT, motorcycles are not made to pull trailers, and I have added a amp so i can have a louder radio, I guess my charging system will fry. Sorry for the rant, just hate when people give opinions, when they have not done it themselves. Try the car tire, give it 500 miles and see how you like it. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | Kelvininin - 2012-05-21 3:56 PM
I say if all the riding you do is straight line super slab, solo, in low to zero traffic, where you can't hurt anyone else, knock yourself out. Otherwise a car tire on a motorcycle is about as safe as drinking and riding.
yeah cause god knows all motorcycle accidents are caused by the tires on the bike.. has nothing to do with the people texting while driving, or reading the news paper, doing makeup etc. in 6 years of using a car tire ive only been KNOCKED OUT 3 times now.. lol just wear a helmet and you can shake it off quickly then get back on the bike and finish your ride! |
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| Peter Warren - 2012-05-21 2:57 PM
Kelvininin - 2012-05-21 3:56 PM
I say if all the riding you do is straight line super slab, solo, in low to zero traffic, where you can't hurt anyone else, knock yourself out. Otherwise a car tire on a motorcycle is about as safe as drinking and riding.
Kelvin.... you've made the claim in a public forum that riding on a car tire is going to hurt someone else and is as safe as drinking and driving. You will, of course, only have made this claim based on hard evidence and not some kind of unproven personal theory, as that would simply be irresponsible.
I've been looking for such evidence for years now and have not been able to find any, so I'd really appreciate knowing where you obtained yours.
and NO.... I'm not a darkside rider, just someone who is fed up with crash and burn claims being made against car tires based on zero factual data. I'm only too happy to be proved wrong, but.....
Pete
Here is my logic...
Just so you know...
Being injured due to improper use or not using the proper safety equipment: Injury preventable with proper use of safety equipment.
Drinking and driving: Irresponsible operation of a machine under the influence of drugs and or alcohol. This is preventable with the responsible use of motorized equipment.
Replacing your parachute with a cinder block: Injury, resulting from the implementation of incorrect equipment.
Car tire on a bike: Irresponsible implementation of improper safety equipment. This is no different than anything from the above. Modern tires are part of the safety equipment of anything that uses them. To knowingly use the incorrect product in a specific application is really no different than skimping on safety gear or drinking and driving. The only pro I can see about using a car tire is its cheap. That's a pretty shitty reason to put ones own personal well-being and those around them at risk.
I use to be the last person to be a safety nag but it sucks when people get hurt, and its easy preventable with the proper equipment and use.
Really think of it this way, especially the way Victory has cheapened out the Vision the past few years. If it were really a good idea, and was just as safe and handled as well, to save a few bucks, most motorcycle manufactures would mount car tires on stock bikes.
The only stock bike I have ever head of having a car tire out of the box is a Boss Hoss. Those things can't turn anyway.
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Pittsburgh, PA | take this for what its worth.. under Pennsylvania inspection law a car tire IS allowed as long as the tire is D.O.T. approved.. the point of inspection in PA is safety. they check brakes, tire depth, among others. When i first went to the darkside i had a inspection station Pause and say he didnt think this was allowed.. so he made a phone call to the state.... he returned and said it WAS allowed as long as the tire was D.O.T. approved. i even talked with my insurance company back when i first did it and they said... As long as your motorcycle meets the states requirements for safety, "pass inspection" it is 100% covered.. (nationwide insurance).
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | I'm with you all the way on that, Kevin. I have been following this thought process since the early 70's - and there was always one constant in the discussion. ALL TIRE ENGINEERS SAID "Don't Do it !!!". If CT's were better, manufacturers would be putting them on at the factory.
SO - why put yourself at risk to save a few bucks?
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| Funny stuff, just answering the mans question. Love the chimers that claim to hate the dark side threads. Yeah we read every week about a car tire falling off the rim of a bike, even more than we hear about a drunk rider crashing..... Good one.
Ride safe y'all.
Btw, I'm no where near a str8 line rider, come check the bottom of my boards
I've enjoyed the e3's, put on a CT for the 12k mile trip and I can't find a reason to return to a MT. But that's just me, hell my 1975 Norton still has a square tire on it.
Edited by jeffmack 2012-05-21 6:22 PM
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Tucson, AZ | I would like just ONE of you Dark Side nay sayers to give just one example where there was an accident caused by either the car tire or the wheel failed on a bike. I didn't think so. as far as the theory that they're only good for going straight on a road, anyone who has ridden the Salt River Canyon in north central Arizona, there isn't any stretch of the road that's straight. Three Dark Side tires on two different bikes for more than 40,000 miles has made me a believer. And it's not just about longer tire wear and cost that makes the difference for me. |
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Tampa, Fl United States | donetracey - 2012-05-21 6:41 PM
I'm with you all the way on that, Kevin. I have been following this thought process since the early 70's - and there was always one constant in the discussion. ALL TIRE ENGINEERS SAID "Don't Do it !!!". If CT's were better, manufacturers would be putting them on at the factory.
SO - why put yourself at risk to save a few bucks?
You darksider haters need to go away, The wife & I on our CT Victory Vision will out handle you (around curves) out stop you (rain or shine) and this is 30k miles later.
People w/no real life experience can easily talk SH**!
Please bring something more useful this this forum from experience that we can benefit from!!! |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | turbobuick - 2012-05-21 5:23 PM donetracey - 2012-05-21 6:41 PM I'm with you all the way on that, Kevin. I have been following this thought process since the early 70's - and there was always one constant in the discussion. ALL TIRE ENGINEERS SAID "Don't Do it !!!". If CT's were better, manufacturers would be putting them on at the factory. SO - why put yourself at risk to save a few bucks? You darksider haters need to go away, The wife & I on our CT Victory Vision will out handle you (around curves) out stop you (rain or shine) and this is 30k miles later. People w/no real life experience can easily talk SH**! Please bring something more useful this this forum from experience that we can benefit from!!! LOL !!! I lived, and rode in Florida for 5 years - not a goddamned road anywhere worth riding on. A CT there wouldn't matter. And NO - you couldn't keep up with me and MY VV - and I am 68 - I would WHOOP your ass .... with LOTS of real life experience. You are funny, though!!! |
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Tucson, AZ | Bring it on! |
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Pittsburgh, PA | Gray rider - 2012-05-21 7:49 PM
Bring it on!
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Broken Arrow, OK | LOL, more than oil, always a pissin match.
kelvin, you're going to pull a camper trailer w/ a motorcycle. Your "safety" credibility w/ me is gone. I would never tell you not to though, your biz.
Where you can spout logic all u want, you cannot display factual safety issues from ct's. Safety issues pulling trailers w/ a bike however are abundant......but you'll do what suits you, same as I.
Eric, wife and I just had a great 3 days at VITO in Eureka Springs. Our Michelin performs very well. We're 2 up and luggage loaded. We led several rides w/ groups of friends thru the beautiful Arkansas mountains. I have 100% confidence in this run flat tire. Do i run 35 mph twisties at 75 mph? No, and I personally wish others didn't on public roads but each to their own. I certainly don't consider a CT "craziness" or I wouldn't do it. Safety is critical, that's why I prefer a 1,200 lb rated run flat rear tire on our bike. We now have 700 miles on this one, half Ozark twisties, half slab and the ride is fantastic. The wife particularly enjoys the smoother passenger experience over the Elite. Whatever you decide on, be confident with it and enjoy the ride.
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New Bohemia, VA | LOL - now this is entertainment... |
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Land O Lakes, FL | Hey don't they run car tires on Trikes? 2 big wheels and just that tiny little front MC tire to steer with, Just sayin'. I see car tires on all sorts of custom "fat tire" cruisers. Hell I even saw a guy with a 280 front tire! Fact is the tire flex's, you never run on the sidewall though you think you do, you can't lean it that far over. Here is a great video of what a car tire looks like on a Wing doing figure 8's in the parking lot, looks pretty planted to me. You can hear him draggin his floorboards and the CT still has an almost 50% contact patch on the road:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaIj1XrmvLM
Edited by PhantomX 2012-05-21 9:00 PM
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| Another honest question destroyed by d bags. Hope the original poster got the info he was looking for. |
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New Bohemia, VA | don't worry so much about the d bags, there's enough rebuttal's to them that makes me wonder why motorcycles don't come with a car tire on it already. Any body who has ever tried a car tire raves about it, so what would he miss? A simple search on the subject would turn up 100 years of forum postings when all there was car tires for a motorcycle, through the years of perfecting the motorcycle tire, only to come full circle back to the what bikes should have stayed with. He got his answer. |
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Car tire by Rollin
