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SongFan
Posted 2012-08-26 9:55 AM (#122236)
Subject: I finally went down


Visionary

Posts: 3204
Memphis

I've always respected the guys who have shared lessons learned here so here's my donation.

I was riding into work this morning (perfect 70 degree day).  I got to a right-hand, cloverleaf offramp that connects two highways here in Memphis.  I always set up for the outside of the lane and transition to the inside of the lane as I get into the turn.  As the turn straightens out, I transition back to the outside of the lane to set up for the merge onto the new road.  I had just set up for the offramp, wide left in the lane - about 35mph, when I looked in the mirror and a pickup was bearing down on the inside of the lane with what seemed like a 30 mph overtake.  Holy crap, this guy's gonna run me over!  I rolled on the throttle to minimize the overtake and had to start leaning really hard to make the turn now.  I kept leaning until the right floorboard started to scrape hard.  I was out of lean and about to lowside.  A guardrail was coming up and a lowside impact would have been ugly.  (The guardrail had already been hit and the first 20' or so was peeled back into the grass.)  I immediately went to plan "B".  I straightened up the bike and grabbed as much brake as I could and aimed to depart the offramp and miss the end of the guardrail to the left side of it. The truck blasted past me to the right.  I hit gravel on the shoulder of the offramp and headed into the grass.  I looked across the grass at the opposing lane of the offramp.  No cars coming, I might just pull this off!  Boom!  The backend broke loose and I went down.   I probably slid 20'.  (After piecing it all together, my right tailpipe had clipped the end of the bent back guardrail and that's where I lost it.) I got up and there were plastic pieces everywhere and grass in the fins of the motor.  I gave myself a mental patdown and everything seemed to be intact.  A cop pulled up on that opposing offramp lane  and asked if I was ok, literally 30 seconds after I went down.  Right behind him was a guy from work.  Three more cops showed up within a minute.  I was wearing my silver EXO-100 helmet, black Victory jacket, black Kevlar jeans and black boots.  Apparently cop #1 thought I was a motor officer down and responded accordingly.  My buddy from work recognized the bike and when he saw me talking to the cop he thought I was another cop at the scene and that I had already been medivac'd somewhere.  All he saw was the guardrail peeled back 20' with my bike laying there and thought I'd ripped a leg off, if not worse.

I assured him I was ok, just a little shocky.  No concussion or even bruises.  The cops and my buddy were stunned that I didn't even have a blade of grass on me.  The bent back guardrail with the bike laying next to it was ugly.  It looked like I had hit the guardrail at 90 mph and ripped it off the 4X4 posts. 

Lessons learned: 

- Having to do it again, should I have held my speed, kept my line and hoped for the best?  I don't know.  I honestly felt like I was about to get runover.  Between the truck and the guardrail, I thought I was going to lose either way. 

- I read a lot of safety articles and have a couple of books, along with the Ride Like a Pro DVD's.  This is the stuff that saved me.  I knew I was about to lowside and instead of letting it happen, I straightened up and looked for my out.  Instead of boresighting on the guardrail, I focused on my path to miss it.  The end of the guardrail clipped my tailpipe about 6" from the back end and that's how close I came to pulling off plan "B".  By that time, I was down to about 20mph.

- Gear - As long as I missed the guardrail with the soft parts of my body, I knew I would walk away from any impact with asphalt or grass.  I always wear an armored jacket and at least Kevlar lined jeans.  On cold/rainy days I have armored overpants.  I wear Held gloves and armored boots.  The gear combined with the tipover protection of the Vision is very comforting when this scenario unfolds before you.  I actually thought about the tipovers as I was going down and focused on keeping my feet on the floorboards.  Don't try to "save" anything by sticking a leg out.  I wear the EXO half helmet on hot days (over 90) and a full face Shoei the rest of the time.  The silver EXO was worth it's weight in gold when it came to the police response. :-)

The bike is in pieces but I'm not.  I crashed at 6:20 this morning and was home by 7:45.  As far as motorcycle crashes go, this was as good a result as anyone could have hoped for.  My endless thanks to Victory designers/engineers for the protection.  Good gear is worth every penny in peace of mind.  Learn from others mistakes and practice to be better.  Focus on the "out" not the obstacle.

Ride safe.

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Thomas
Posted 2012-08-26 10:12 AM (#122237 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: RE: I finally went down


Central Wisconsin
Wow! Tom, Good to hear you are alright.  You just gave a great testament on riding gear. Yeah six more inches you might have had nothing happen. To bad you felt like the truck was going to run you over. We can sit here and think that you should have just rode through the curve and not worried about the truck, but how do we know for sure what else could have happen? You did what you thought was right at the moment and your here to tell us about it. The bike can be repaired. Thanks for the sharing your experience.
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Boots
Posted 2012-08-26 10:54 AM (#122239 - in reply to #122237)
Subject: Re: I finally went down


Tourer

Posts: 599
New Mexico
Man, that's scary - Really glad to hear you are ok. Thanks for sharing.

No substitute for experience and training. Having both saved you.
Along with an awesome motorcycle design.

Maybe now you are a SuperSongFan!


Edited by Boots 2012-08-26 11:05 AM
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The_Visionary
Posted 2012-08-26 10:56 AM (#122240 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: Re: I finally went down


Cruiser

Posts: 51
lakes region, NH
Great to here that you came out of that unscathed Tom. I will share my similar experience going to work this past week. I was on a 40mph two lane road (1 going north 1 going south) travelling south when traffic in front of me stopped because someone up ahead wanted to take a left. I stopped with about a half car length in front of me. I looked in my mirror and saw a black car barreling down at me. I said to my self uhoh he isn't stopping so I let out my clutch quickly and pulled alongside the car in front of me when I heard this kid lock up all 4wheels and slid his car sideways right up to the back of the car I had pulled alongside. Whew, man that was close! Although I do believe in riding specific gear I don't think I would have walked away from that one had I not looked in my mirrors when I came to a stop and also kept it in gear for a fast get away!
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SongFan
Posted 2012-08-26 11:17 AM (#122242 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: RE: I finally went down


Visionary

Posts: 3204
Memphis

Thanks guys.  My family feels terrible about the Vision but I told them that losing it means nothing at this point. 

Visionary - I'm really anal about that exact same scenario.  I'm constantly scanning my mirrors when stopped at an intersection.  That is a major reason I felt so strongly about the 99 LED brakelight.  I've seen cars coming up on me and I'll pop that brake light a few times just to make sure they see me.  I've never had to make that move around the car in front of me but I have watched the front end of the car coming up on me suddenly dive when I pump the brakes to light up the LEDs.  I'm always thinking about that out around the car in front of me.  Fantastic move. 

Nothing like a giant "WHEW! That was close!" to make your day.  I feel very fortunate.

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willtill
Posted 2012-08-26 11:32 AM (#122244 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: Re: I finally went down


Visionary

Posts: 1365
Central Maryland
Glad you came out of the incident personally OK Tom.... so close to making a clean break from it (your "plan B" ).

As far as watching your rear; I am too very conscious of it and try to make plans ahead (pulling alongside a car; or moving diagonally out of the way) of a fast approaching car to the rear. However; I do find that the width of the Vision could be difficult to abruptly maneuver forward into a tight space between two cars in front of me. My other bikes (Triumph Rocket and DR650) are much more easier to maneuver in this scenario than the Vision.



Edited by willtill 2012-08-26 11:32 AM
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Boots
Posted 2012-08-26 11:43 AM (#122245 - in reply to #122240)
Subject: Re: I finally went down


Tourer

Posts: 599
New Mexico
The_Visionary - 2012-08-26 9:56 AM

I said to my self uhoh he isn't stopping so I let out my clutch quickly and pulled alongside the car in front of me when I heard this kid lock up all 4wheels and slid his car sideways right up to the back of the car I had pulled alongside.


Even though most motorcycle crashes happen in front of us, I LIVE in my mirrors. Lots of close calls out there.

So, have to ask... Do you think that kid heard your pipes, looked up, then locked up?


Edited by Boots 2012-08-26 11:49 AM
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okie vision
Posted 2012-08-26 11:43 AM (#122246 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: Re: I finally went down


Iron Butt

Posts: 752
Broken Arrow, OK
It's a never ending awareness of others around us. Thankful you're not hurt. Bikes can always be replaced.
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bigwill5150
Posted 2012-08-26 12:14 PM (#122249 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: Re: I finally went down


Iron Butt

Posts: 725
Reno County, KS
Well, you got it out of the way and you came out unscathed. Good job. That puts you safely into the "those who have" vs. being in the "those who will".

Death-cages that tailgate motorcycles, bicycles and pedestrians (in parking lots, you have to see it to believe it) should be hit with reckless driving and reckless endangerment convictions.
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joeC
Posted 2012-08-26 12:16 PM (#122250 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: Re: I finally went down


Cruiser

Posts: 132
New York
Glad to hear you are Ok!... The bike can be fixed or replaced..
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dkc1944
Posted 2012-08-26 12:19 PM (#122252 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: Re: I finally went down


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 10
Seattle WA
Thanks all of you! Hearing actual "near misses" always reinforces me to keep lookin' and drivin' safe. Thanks again.
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varyder
Posted 2012-08-26 12:35 PM (#122254 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: Re: I finally went down


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA
Tom, glad you're okay! Visions can be replaced, Toms cannot.
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Travelin Man
Posted 2012-08-26 2:24 PM (#122261 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: Re: I finally went down


Iron Butt

Posts: 721
Tom, I'm glad to hear that you came through this basically unscathed, the Vision can be fixed or replaced fairly quickly, healing from significant injury would take much longer.

My only question with what happened is did you notice the truck speeding up on you before or after committing to use the exit/entrance ramp?

I had a similar situation happen to me a few weeks ago but fortunately for me I saw the car before I committed to the ramp so I just went straight onto the paved shoulder and then had to turn around further on down the road and go back to the entrance I missed.
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Travelin Man
Posted 2012-08-26 2:27 PM (#122262 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: Re: I finally went down


Iron Butt

Posts: 721
BTW, if the insurance happens to total your Vision and you can't recover your exhaust tips, I have one last set of Black Nickel tips that I will make you a fantastic deal on since you were basically my first customer. They are a set I was going to keep for my show display but since I'm not going to offer that finish anymore I can let you have them.
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SongFan
Posted 2012-08-26 4:36 PM (#122268 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: RE: I finally went down


Visionary

Posts: 3204
Memphis

You guys are awesome.  I forwarded the link to this posting to my friends and family so that I wouldn't have to tell it over and over.  Anyone reading this thread can see why I have such a strong draw to this place.  Many thanks all around.

T-Man, you are unreal.  The very first thing I noticed after I shook off the cobwebs and really started trying to put the pieces together was where the guardrail hit the exhaust.  There's about a 6" dent in the heatshield that ends about 3" from the turbine tip.  My very first thought was "Dang, I'm glad that didn't hit the turbine tip.  That would have really bummed me out!"  It makes me laugh to think about it now but those pieces are the crown jewel of my bike.  Even if it is totalled, I'm keeping those tips as a momento.  Your offer to replace them humbles me to the core.

I guess the get-off wasn't as uneventful as I originally thought because after talking to the buddy from work who stayed with me the whole time, I have about 10 minutes that I can't account for.  My boss called to check on me and told me that I had called in three times to let him know I wouldn't make it in today.  My helmet has a scrape from the grass that I didn't notice before (plus a red line across my forehead) so I probably have a mild concussion.  No nausea or dizzness but just taking it easy at this point.  One of the ironies is my bum hip doesn't hurt at all. 

Thanks again for all good wishes!  I wish every wreck I hear about ended up this mild. 

I'm getting the bike towed to my boys at FRS Powersports tomorrow so I'll keep you guys updated.

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Don07tncav
Posted 2012-08-26 7:38 PM (#122279 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: Re: I finally went down


Cruiser

Posts: 207
Hate to hear you went down but I'm glad you made it through it ok. Sounds like all that preparation and study paid off!
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handyhiker
Posted 2012-08-26 7:47 PM (#122281 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: Re: I finally went down


Cruiser

Posts: 258
Akron, Ohio
Glad to hear yours came out better than mine. My brother was told at the seen and the docs in the hospital, if I did not have my gear on they would have put me in a body bag. It is awesome you could walk away! I hope to walk again soon.
RIDR SAFE ALL, PLEASE!!!

Edited by handyhiker 2012-08-26 7:50 PM
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Double Vision
Posted 2012-08-26 8:00 PM (#122282 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: Re: I finally went down


Cruiser

Posts: 281
Very sorry to hear about the crash but glad you're OK. Best of luck going forward.
Ride safe folks. ATGATT
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BillyJoe
Posted 2012-08-26 8:09 PM (#122283 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: Re: I finally went down


Cruiser

Posts: 133
, AR United States
Glad you're ok and thanks for sharing your experience.
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pollolittle
Posted 2012-08-26 8:28 PM (#122284 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: Re: I finally went down


Visionary

Posts: 2027
Brighton, TN
Whew! That was close, its odd i was thinking similar ideas what cool paper weights on a desk those tips would make. Only if they total it, of course. Ill have to swing by and check it out. I take it you didn't drive it home.

Just an fyi, for those who don't know the Songfan, i have ridden with him twice and both times very impressed with the way he rides and aware of his surroundings. I am glad he managed to get grass stains, they rub out a lot easier than tire tracks or pavement. If it had been any hotter and him laying on hot asphalt , he would only be thinking he had actually committed to going on that ride with me in the summer was o.
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SongFan
Posted 2012-08-26 8:37 PM (#122286 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: RE: I finally went down


Visionary

Posts: 3204
Memphis

Hey Po,

Nope, did not ride it home.  Did ride it up onto the flatbed towtruck though.  It's at an impound lot tonight and I'll be coordinating with the insurance co to have it delivered to Denny and the boys tomorrow.

Po and I go way back.  (He bought the very first Vision in Memphis and is one of the two bikes I have ever seen riding around here.)  He is younger than the typical Vision Rider and thinks it is great fun to go riding when the heat index is 114.  Gets his feelings hurt if you turn him down from such a golden opportunity.  Don't let his goofiness on this forum fool you, he is an expert rider and literally ran circles around me in a parking lot skills test.  Great riding buddy.

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donetracey
Posted 2012-08-26 11:04 PM (#122297 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: Re: I finally went down


Visionary

Posts: 2118
Pitt Meadows, BC Canada
Pleeeezzzzeeee - Tom, Chickinman, - all VISION owners - bury your Vision in your yard, a swamp, or dismantle it for parts.

The reason I have explained for YEARS that I want you all to do this - is because I WANT TO OWN THE ONLY ONE - THE BEST EVER.

Yah, I know, I'm selfish. But that's the way I've ALWAYS felt about my SPCSHP.

Plan B is for all of you to 'customize' your Vision - that way my STOCK Vision will always look 'Custom'. C'mon people - let's see some co-operation out there .....

..... why do you guys fight me on this, sheesh !

And don't CRASH them - Tom. It causes me TOO MUCH PAIN !


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hottierod
Posted 2012-08-27 7:59 AM (#122305 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: RE: I finally went down


Tourer

Posts: 348
Sturbridge, Mass
very scary...glad you are able to tell us about it so we can all learn....
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dan camarco
Posted 2012-08-27 8:17 AM (#122306 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: Re: I finally went down


Cruiser

Posts: 206
Lumber Bridge, NC United States
Glad you are ok.
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Kelvininin
Posted 2012-08-27 9:14 AM (#122315 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: RE: I finally went down


Cruiser

Posts: 188
Real glad you are ok...

Your experience is a testament to strong riding skills and the right gear, folks can learn much from you. I personally can't stress enough about watching your 6. I also commute by bike and I am constantly watching my 6. I always wear a helmet and a jacket but need to invest in pants.
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