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Puddle Jumper
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| I reside a great distance from the nearest Victory Store. For that reason I am wondering if anyone could tell me what alternative Motorcycle Oil(s) Brand(s) I may be able to use in my 2008 Victory Vision (other than AMSOIL) which might be easy to obtain at say,.....the local Wal~Mart or Auto Parts Store. Oil Filters also. Thank You Very Much. |
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Cruiser
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Lumber Bridge, NC United States | I have been useing rotella T6 if that helps you. and a napa filter. |
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Puddle Jumper
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| How long have you been using Rotella? Is it pretty compatible with the "Wet Clutch" as far as noise?
Do you know the Filter Number?
Thanx |
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Puddle Jumper
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| NAPA Gold 1356? |
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Visionary
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Jasper, MO | dadude - 2012-12-21 7:06 PM
NAPA Gold 1356?
Yes. It's made by WIX and is also marketed as a WIX 51356 and as a Carquest 85356. Those are actually car filters, but work great on our Victorys. You can also use a WIX 51358, NAPA 1358, or Carquest 85358, which are the motorcycle specific filters, but will cost you a little more. You've apparently already ruled out Amsoil, but that is what I've been using for the past 12 years in my Victory bikes. Nope, no clutch slipping. They make a wide variety of oils. Use the right one, and it isn't the Harley/Buell/Triumph 20W-50MCV oil that some have mistakenly used in their Victorys, with poor results. Victorys use the 10W-40 AMO, or 20W-50 ARO, or 10W-40 MCF. I have always gone 5000 miles per change on those.
Lot's of folks are using Rotella these days, but it looks to me like most are still changing it at 2500 miles, which doubles the cost per mile. I've not tried it. I have tried Golden Spectro, Castrol, Valvoline, and Mobile 1, in addition to Amsoil.
Ronnie
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Visionary
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Here we go again !!!!!!!!! |
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Ruskin, Fl | Lol. I use Mobil 1 mainly cause I can get it a half mile from my house at Advance auto. They also carry Fram PH7317, Bosch. 3323 or Mobil M1-110 filters. |
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Iron Butt
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Orlando, FL | rdbudd, exactly which Amsoil are you using in your Vic? |
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Visionary
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Armpit Oil has the best non-stick qualities. Pricey - but worth it! Use no more than 2 ounces with your regular oil.
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Puddle Jumper
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| Thanx Folks,.....Looks as if Rotella T6 & Mobile 1 "Rule" relative to my inquiry.
Any more "Off the Shelf" brands that You'd like to Acknowledge as your Favorite?
It will be nice to see how the preferences begin to STACK Up, especially for Rotella T6 & Mobile One, which appear prominent in most Every Discussion of this nature. |
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Cruiser
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| XRsteve - 2012-12-21 8:13 PM Here we go again !!!!!!!!! WAIT! WAIT!!! Let me get a bag of popcorn and a six-pack so I can enjoy this Christmas "oil thread" |
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Cruiser
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Edmonton Alberta, Canada | Oil is oil! They all meet min specs. I went from 2500 m changes with Vic oil, to 10000 m change if my syn. Vic oil became hard to find neutral at 2000 m, my syn neutral becomes difficult at 8000 m. went from 3-4 changes per year to change every spring with no problems. Not only the cost, but the time and incovience of oil changes and long rides is no longer an issue. Pretty much the cost of the rear tire change every year. If you want to research and feel comfortable with what the book says, follow it, if you do not then don't. I can not count how many engines I have own in my many years, but I have never had any oil related motor failures due to oil maintenance. Over heating, loss of oil, yes. Allof that was from before syn oil was heard of. Also I had a couple of cars/trucks that were driven in over 200000 mile range with no oil engine problem. -40 to 100f cold starts. My father once changed oil and failed to check filter, lost his oil over 70 mile drive.before he noticed the idiot light. Had noisy lifters, however still managed 70000 miles with same engine and no smoking or oil useage between 3000 mile oil changes. Maintenance schedules for the most part is to keep the dealers service departments busy. Just my 2 cents!!!! |
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Jasper, MO | MaddMAx2u - 2012-12-21 9:02 PM
rdbudd, exactly which Amsoil are you using in your Vic?
I've used mostly the 20W-50ARO in the 2000 Sport Cruiser. I've used mostly the 10W-40AMO in the Vision. Both grades work well in both bikes, but the old SC is a little quieter on the 20W-50ARO in hot weather. The Vision doesn't care which one I use. The 10W-40AMO is the one that is currently recommended for Victory by Amsoil, along with the 10W-40MCF. I've been going 5000 miles per change for 12 years, which makes the oil cost drop in half compared to 2500 mile changes, and more importantly, the bikes still shift good with 5000 miles on the oil. Nothing else I've tried gave those results. Most were breaking down by 2500 miles (shifting started getting "notchy" and neutral started becoming illusive). Mobile 1 was better than the rest of the oils I tried in my SC, but still gave up after 3000 miles.
I started my search for a better oil way back in the early days of Victory when lots of people were having transmission problems. My 2000 Sport Cruiser was exhibiting the same bad behaviors and I was really concerned that I might have a transmission failure too. After trying a few different ones, I came to Amsoil. It stopped all the bad behaviors my SC was exhibiting and so I've stuck with it. The newer bikes are much more refined and may not need it, but I like the 5000 mile oil changes that Amsoil gives me.
I have found that the blanket statement that "oil is oil" not to be true. They may all "meet the minimum requirements", but some far exceed those minimums. If you stick to the 2500 mile oil changes, you'll probably never know the difference, regardless of the oil.
Ronnie
Edited by rdbudd 2012-12-22 10:18 AM
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Cruiser
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| [QUOTE]dan camarco - 2012-12-21 7:55 PM I have been useing rotella T6 if that helps you. and a napa filter.[/QUOTE] Dan: Have you been changing your oil & filter ever 5,000 miles? More often or longer? |
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Tourer
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New Orleans, La, | I have 60K on my 08 Vision and have been using Rotella T6 for 30K of that. I change every 5K and use a Fram PH6017A all from Wally World for around $40.00. Rotella T6 is the only oil I know of, other than oils that say M/C oil, that is JASO MA certified which is the same as the M/C oils. This is the certification that is neccessary for wet clutch operation. I have never had a problem and I ride her hard and put her up wet many a day. That being said the 08's tend to get noisy near the time/mileage of the next oil change. |
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Lindale, TX | cw1115 - 2012-12-21 8:21 PM Lol. I use Mobil 1 mainly cause I can get it a half mile from my house at Advance auto. They also carry Fram PH7317, Bosch. 3323 or Mobil M1-110 filters. This is the brand I use: Mobil 1 Synthetic & Mobil M1-110 filters. 25,000 trouble free miles with 5,000 mile changes.
Edited by Easttexasrider 2012-12-23 11:17 PM
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Easttexasrider - 2012-12-23 9:16 PM cw1115 - 2012-12-21 8:21 PM Lol. I use Mobil 1 mainly cause I can get it a half mile from my house at Advance auto. They also carry Fram PH7317, Bosch. 3323 or Mobil M1-110 filters. This is the brand I use: Mobil 1 Synthetic & Mobil M1-110 filters. 25,000 trouble free miles with 5,000 mile changes. And is ANY OF THIS PROOF THAT YOUR CRAP IS BETTER THAN DEALER'S CRAP????? Cripes - just get your damned oil changed when it is due for a change. Who the frig cares what they put in, and there ain't ANY of you have proof that something ELSE is better. In 52 years of owning vehicles of EVERY size and description - the ONLY thing that matters with oil - is using good stuff, changed regularly. I have never had an engine failure due to ANYTHING - so just do your recommended maintenance and don't be ABUSIVE with your driving - like Let's redline every start in first - especially when the engine is cold ! ARMPIT OIL is is the Best!!! and .... GEEZE I hate OIL THREADS (don't stop on my account - you guys make me feel smart! ) |
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Iron Butt
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| dan camarco - 2012-12-21 6:55 PM I have been useing rotella T6 if that helps you. and a napa filter. +1 and never had any problems. |
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Iron Butt
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Orlando, FL | Hey Ronnie, thanks for the AMSOIL Info. I checked my bottole of Amsoil 20W50 Motorcycle oil and could not find the identifier ARO you mentioned. But I do know that it caused my ride clutch slippage. So I returned to Vic oil and the slippage disappeared.
I did however go to Amsoil's site and using their "Motorcycle Guide" to find the correct oil for the Vic, found the following info.
2012 - VICTORY - Vision Tour - 1731
SAE 10W-40 Synthetic Motorcycle Oil (MCFQT)
2011 VICTORY not listed
2010 VICTORY not listed
2009 - VICTORY - Victory vision Tour - 1731
SAE 10W-40 Synthetic Motorcycle Oil (MCFQT)
SAE 20W-50 Synthetic Motorcycle Oil (MCVQT)
2008 - VICTORY - Victory vision Tour - 1731
SAE 10W-40 Synthetic Motorcycle Oil (MCFQT)
SAE 20W-50 Synthetic Motorcycle Oil (MCVQT)
I have a 2011 Vision 8 BAll. And as you can see in 2011 Victory bikes are not listed. Yet the 2009 shows the 20W50 my wrench used in my ride. And since Ma Vic has not changed the oil they use based on the year of the bike, I'm guessing Amsoil is no different. Yet they dropped the 20W50 from the list for 2012
Now you talk about ARO and MCF. And I have no idea what those identifiers mean. Bottom line for me is that Amsoil site recommended the 20W50 that casued slippage in my ride. Maybe I'll try the 10W40, but since there is so much confusion about Amsoil products I think I'll stick with Ma Vic or Castrol Actevo X-tra 4T SAE 10W40 (it's a semi-syn)
Edited by MaddMAx2u 2012-12-24 7:10 AM
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Cruiser
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| My Visions like the Victory oil but they like the Mobil 1 V-Twin synthetic even more.
My machines did not like Amsoil. I ran Amsoil for many miles on a number of Vics and prefer the Mobil or Victory oil.
I've been going with the Wix filter.
Good luck! |
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Visionary
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Jasper, MO | MaddMAx2u - 2012-12-24 7:09 AM
Hey Ronnie, thanks for the AMSOIL Info. I checked my bottole of Amsoil 20W50 Motorcycle oil and could not find the identifier ARO you mentioned. But I do know that it caused my ride clutch slippage. So I returned to Vic oil and the slippage disappeared.
I did however go to Amsoil's site and using their "Motorcycle Guide" to find the correct oil for the Vic, found the following info.
2012 - VICTORY - Vision Tour - 1731
SAE 10W-40 Synthetic Motorcycle Oil (MCFQT)
2011 VICTORY not listed
2010 VICTORY not listed
2009 - VICTORY - Victory vision Tour - 1731
SAE 10W-40 Synthetic Motorcycle Oil (MCFQT)
SAE 20W-50 Synthetic Motorcycle Oil (MCVQT)
2008 - VICTORY - Victory vision Tour - 1731
SAE 10W-40 Synthetic Motorcycle Oil (MCFQT)
SAE 20W-50 Synthetic Motorcycle Oil (MCVQT)
I have a 2011 Vision 8 BAll. And as you can see in 2011 Victory bikes are not listed. Yet the 2009 shows the 20W50 my wrench used in my ride. And since Ma Vic has not changed the oil they use based on the year of the bike, I'm guessing Amsoil is no different. Yet they dropped the 20W50 from the list for 2012
Now you talk about ARO and MCF. And I have no idea what those identifiers mean. Bottom line for me is that Amsoil site recommended the 20W50 that casued slippage in my ride. Maybe I'll try the 10W40, but since there is so much confusion about Amsoil products I think I'll stick with Ma Vic or Castrol Actevo X-tra 4T SAE 10W40 (it's a semi-syn)
You're right George. Amsoil dropped the ball with their "Motorcycle Guide". Their own product applications sheets do not agree with it, but at least the applications sheets are correct. As you point out, Amsoil has stopped recommending the 20W-50MCV for Victory in the "Motorcycle Guide" for the later years. I'm amazed they haven't removed the listing for the earlier years. The 20W-50MCV is the one I specifically told everybody to NOT use in their Victory, since it is formulated for Harley, Buell, and the European bikes. Using it in a Victory can cause clutch slipping.
Anyway, just to be clear, here are the links to the ones I've used for years with no problems. The 10W-40AMO http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/motor-oil/gasoline/sae-10w-40... and the 20W-50ARO http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/motor-oil/gasoline/sae-20w-50...
That's what I use. Use whatever you want. It makes no difference to me. I was just sharing what I found to work back when many folks were having transmission troubles with early Victory motorcycles, including me. The poor shifting and jumping out of gears went away when I changed to Amsoil. It made a believer out of a skeptic (me). Only the owners of the early Victory bikes know what I'm talking about. The newer Victorys are much more refined and not nearly so susceptible to shifting problems. Still, Amsoil has let me double the recommended 2500 mile oil changes on my Vision, which I could NOT do on the Victory oil. Works for me.
I see Amsoil has changed their website yet again. They no longer list the motorcycle brands in relation to the AMO and ARO oils, just the JASO-MA rating. They do list Victory and the Japanese brands specifically for their 10W-40MCF "motorcycle oil" http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/motor-oil/motorcycle/10w-40-a... I have never used that one. It wasn't on the market back when I started using Amsoil in my Victory. Neither was the 20W-50MCV Harley oil that has gained a reputation for making Victory clutches slip.
Amsoil makes a great product, but their website developer needs to have his/her butt kicked. Their "Motorcycle Guide" sucks. Read the product applications sheets.
That is all. You all know my opinion.
Ronnie
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Iron Butt
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Perry Hall, MD | For those who have not endured the volumes of information in the previous oil threads I'll just offer one repeat that Kevinx (a wrench to be listened to) offered: Victory requires a semi-synthetic rather then full. OK go on, I have popcorn and beer ready. |
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Iron Butt
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| I use tortilla t5 10-40 I tried amsoil 10-40 but I got the dreaded clutch slip under hard aggressive riding. usually at high speeds, full throttle in 4th thru 6th gear . back to t5 and no slipping since |
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Iron Butt
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| I use tortilla t5 10-40 I tried amsoil 10-40 but I got the dreaded clutch slip under hard aggressive riding. usually at high speeds, full throttle in 4th thru 6th gear . back to t5 and no slipping since |
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Tourer
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Dallas, Texas | I have been looking at Brad Penn's 20W/50 for my next oil change. http://www.penngrade1.com/Products/Motor-Oils/SAE-20W50.aspx
Not heard a great deal on it as far as advertising, but anyone I spoke with that used it, loved it. |
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