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Land O Lakes, FL | So there are some really good deals out there for end of year and my Vision is coming up to the end of the warranty period. I really love the Vision and I love the Blue CCT as well. I found one for $18,9k.
I was curious if any have ridden one and what there thoughts were. Does it handle the same as the Vision? Comfort? I like the idea of all that extra storage and more passenger room, adjustable passenger pegs, etc. Of course the power windscreen and amazing looks of the Vision are hard to pass up too. This is the longest I've ever kept any one bike, it'll be 2 years in February. So far it's been trouble free for the most part save for the occasional drop out of 2nd gear under hard acceleration (maybe I didn't kick up hard enough) and the ABS light comes on now and again but I think that's a dirty sensor. I would just hate for those to turn expensive as the warranty runs out.
My other option is to see if you can purchase the extended warranty, I know most manufacturers you can if the bike is still under the factory warranty.
Would like to hear what you all think? Or upgrade to the red 2013 Vision that I absolutely love but damn that blue CCT is gorgeous too!
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elgin mn | The only upside for me would be the larger bags. Okay done thinking about it. Love my 08 Vision. |
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Central Illinois | Buy a new bike or an extended warranty? I never buy extended warranties because they cost so much compared to the likely claims but I would do that rather than buy a new bike every year. |
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Phenix City AL. | If you do a lot of two up riding or long distance riding ( long distance is a relative term lol) I would keep the vision or buy a new one, I traded my 09 vision for a XC, I do not ride two up, I do more short trips/ commuting than long trips, so I think the XC will be fine, when I get the time to do more long range trips, I will get a vision again. |
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| like the other guy I would buy that F6 Honda and never look back. Yes Honda is American made and has thousands of Americans working for them |
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Pillager, MN | johnnyvision - 2013-12-21 5:32 PM like the other guy I would buy that F6 Honda and never look back. Yes Honda is American made and has thousands of Americans working for them No thanks... No Cruise...No ABS...knees bent up under you. My best friend bought one. It's a little faster than my Vision, but not even close in the way of comfort. I talked to my salesman at the local Honda dealer...they're not selling. He said riders will NOT buy a bike like this without cruise. I came of a Valkyrie, so I have a pretty good idea of the smoothness of the flat 6, but I like my Vision way more...
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Phenix City AL. | I see you have the FB6 I would keep your vision, just install cams and other go faster stuff. |
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Victoria Tx, TX United States | I test drove a '12 Vision and '12 CCT. On a very windy day in Texas. The CCT was great!!! But since the fairing is attached to the forks you can feel the wind adjust the handle bars. Plus the bike is a little cooler temp from motor wise. The Vision stayed true. It goes into the turns similar to my old Suzuki109, or sport bike. Other than that I bought a '12 Vision!!! And enjoy it every time!! Extended warranties are personal choice. I normally do not purchase them. AND no I have not purchase 1 on my Vision. Good luck!! |
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Land O Lakes, FL | 39 chev - 2013-12-21 6:58 PM
johnnyvision - 2013-12-21 5:32 PM like the other guy I would buy that F6 Honda and never look back. Yes Honda is American made and has thousands of Americans working for them No thanks... No Cruise...No ABS...knees bent up under you. ?My best friend bought one. ?It's a little faster than my Vision, but not even close in the way of comfort. I talked to my salesman at the local Honda dealer...they're not selling. ?He said riders will NOT buy a bike like this without cruise. I came of a Valkyrie, so I have a pretty good idea of the smoothness of the flat 6, but I like my Vision way more... ? ? ?
I would disagree with the comfort, that bike is butter smooth, quiet and with the gunfighter saddle it moves you much further back. It also has a USB connection for any type of music player and the premium audio system sounds better than my Vision with the Kicker setup and 4 speakers. Oh and don't forget it comes with a center stand that actually lifts the rear tire for cleaning and access. It's a traditional sport bike style peg configuration nothing that hasn't been seen on pretty much everything that isn't a cruiser style setup. I have a Utopia backrest, Kury hwy pegs, go cruise throttle lock, big windscreen, passenger back rest extender and the center cupholder and junk holder and I have no problem getting on that bike and riding it all day long. My Vision is the same way I can take that bike and ride all day. When I had my Goldwing I did the same type of trips on it as I do my Vision. Both Ride all day comfort.
The F6 wasn't meant to have all the creature comforts and crap a wing has on it, they were trying to to keep the cost down and kinda figured if you need all that then get the wing lol. Trying to compete in the bagger line up and they scored a home run. I see more of those on the road than GoldWings now and the dealers seem to be moving them along just fine here in Florida.
At the end of the day it's about what you like. The Vision and The F6 are very different riding experiences but can easily accomplish the same goal. I can putz around town on either or go ride across the country on either just depends on the experience I want to have. The handling is great on both machines the power and Tq is a better on the wing but it lacks the soul of my Twin. Its a blessing to be able to afford both so I can enjoy them as I please. |
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Land O Lakes, FL | Been talking this over with the Family as well. They all like the looks of the Vision better. So far the Red 2013 Vision is the front runner, with the 2014 Orange next then the CCT in Blue and finally either the black or white vision for '14. Or of course keep my Silver/Black and enjoy it. I'd like to get an extended warranty but I don't think Victory lets you do that after you've past 30 days. A new one with a 36 month warranty would be ideal though. I do need to get it to the dealer to be checked up on, fuel gauge sensor is getting flakey, ABS light pops on now and again as well. |
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Great Mills, MD | I noticed that the pillion seating is different on the two bikes, the Vision has a more wrap around design and the CCT has a flatter design. My buddy rides a XC, he got on my bike with his girlfriend and she really liked the back seat on the Vision. |
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Glendale, AZ United States | I personally like the Victory Demo events where you have the opportunity to ride both and compare them side by side without having to deal with sales reps. What sold me on the Vision was the bike really needs "nothing" right out of the box. Anything you could possibly need or want from a 2 up long-distance Vtwin powered touring motorcycle is there for the taking with the Vision. The Vision also promotes confidence in the rider department and handling with the frame mounted fairing and low center of gravity.
A comment was made the term touring is relative and I would agree with that statement. In my opinion the Vision will do that 100 or 1000 mile day ride better not to mention it retails for a few thousand cheaper than the XC. I spoke with the owner of Mesa Victory in my neck of the woods a few months back and from his standpoint the Vision is Victory's flagship bike and will continue to be for some time. God, this reads like a commercial, hahaha. |
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Sand Rock, AL United States | johnnyvision - 2013-12-21 4:32 PM
like the other guy I would buy that F6 Honda and never look back. Yes Honda is American made and has thousands of Americans working for them
F6 is not American made |
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Sand Rock, AL United States | Nothing handles like the Vision
Nothing carries more than the Cross Country
Nothing is as comfortable as the Vision. 
Nothing protects from the elements like the Vision
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Prairie City, IA United States | johnnyvision - 2013-12-21 5:32 PM
like the other guy I would buy that F6 Honda and never look back. Yes Honda is American made and has thousands of Americans working for them
Honda moved its entire production back to Japan in 2011. That is why you cannot buy a 2011 GW. They didn't make one.
Hands down, the Vision is more comfortable to ride. Traded a 2010GW with 26K miles and spent most of those miles trying to get comfortable. |
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I really like my Vision BUT I have never bought the same bike twice. |
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Sand Rock, AL United States | I've never bought the same bike twice either. There's a good chance I would buy a Vision again but only after I evaluate the redesign that is inevitably coming. Indian is another interesting motorcycle but not the touring machine a Vision is. If I need a replacement touring machine , most likely Vision, if my Vision is still doing well years from now and I want something for cruising and gazing at, might look at an Indian. I'm happy Vision rider right now. Interesting to see what Victory and Indian have out in 4 years which is when I will be casually considering my next steel horse. Lord willing , of course. |
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Land O Lakes, FL | I agree the Vision is very very comfy to ride but so is a GoldWing, I've owned 3 now, 2 GL1800's and now the F6B which in my opinion has the best riding position of any Wing they ever made and the best wind management as well, the Vision is still just a tick better in the wind department though. I kinda like that, the F6 is more open more cruiser like and more wind while the Vision nestles you in nicely for the long haul. It's a great bike and that's why I've had mine almost 2 years now.
I think I got the CCT bug out of my system. Gonna keep my Vision and just keep enjoying it. I may take a trip to kevinX and see about the "upgrade" and get some power out of it. It's great now with the tune, filter and exhaust but could be even better! |
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Glendale, AZ United States | I may rattle a few trees here and as far as I'm concerned if the bike does what you intend it to do and you are happy with it that's all that matters. I personally am all about long-distance touring and will only own a long-distance pack camel because my financial means will only allow for one motorcycle in my garage. I have not seen any formal reviews or unbiased youtube videos with a Vision/Goldwing comparison. A link would be much appreciated if any of you came across anything.
The IBA heavyweights and rally top finishers love the FJR, BMW, Goldwing, and ST 1300. There was a gal with a 08 Vision entry in this year's rally that had a very strong showing after the first leg, but that was it for Victory and the only Victory entry to the best of my knowledge. I'm not sure why the IBA heavyweights don't get on board with Victory and the Vision specifically. I think your guess is as good as mine as to why this is. I think just to finish would be a huge accomplishment and one of those at least once in a lifetime must DOs.
There were plenty of Goldwings on hand at the rally and I would personally consider the Goldwing to be on top of the pecking order from long-distance touring standpoint. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love my Vision and you do get a lot of bang for your buck with the Vision, especially if you buy used. I love the handling and the utility of the rear trunk in addition to having a rolling jukebox on wheels as my BMW buddy likes to point out as I'm bopping my head at a red light when we come to a stop. I plan on riding the doors off my Vision (No pun intended) and don't plan on selling or trading in anytime soon, but would tend to agree that I will most likely not purchase the same bike twice not to mention the Vision would be the only bike in the Victory lineup I would own. As mentioned, we will see what will come down the pike from Victory as far as a future purchase is concerned, but for me the Goldwing is the top contender as a next bike. Cheers, Vlad.
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Land O Lakes, FL | One of the nice things about the Wing is the aftermarket. ANYTHING you could ever want for a motorcycle and probably a bunch of stuff you didn't is available for the Wing and it all directly bolts in and plugs in without any fuss or muss. That part is nice, really nice, just a massive selection of farkles to buy. You can make a GoldWing a rolling couch, any kind of seat you can imagine, endless windshield and wind management choices, foot pegs, floor boards and highway pegs for days.
And for those that bag on the Wings handling and say the Vision is superior haven't really "ridden" a wing. it has a reputation as a 900lb sport bike for a reason, mainly of course because it rides on basically a sport bike chassis. Aluminum frame, single sided pro swing arm, inverted forks, etc. And Traxxion makes a upgrade for them that makes them pretty sick. Yes the Vision is a great handling machine no doubt and one of the things I love about it is it's handling feel is damn close to a GoldWing and that's NOT a bad thing...
This is what a wing is capable of doing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nrMQ3QwyPo&feature=player_embedded#...
I know we all put on our "brand loyalty" hats because we love what we purchased, but I like to give credit where credit is due and this fight goes to the Wing. You put a stock Wing and a Stock Vision on a track together and the Wing will just dust it stock vs stock... The Vision is great, no doubt but so is the Wing...
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New Bohemia, VA | most arguements about which bike is better often has a bias slant to it and does not hit the target mass. While the wing is a great bike, long-standing, and so on, it is far from my best choice. I don't drag race my Vision, I ride it. I ride it to work, I ride to visit family, I ride it in my day to day activiity. For what I do, the Wing is absolutely the worse bike for me, period. I had a GL1200, GL1500 and sat on a GL1800. They are top heavy tanks, cars on two wheels, wide seat, high seat, wide stance in the highway pegs and to far rear for me on the standard pegs. While one could finesse a wing, and while the stock 6 cyclinder can whoop a smaller V-twin, does not make it a better bike for all applications and all people. As it was said, folks will put on the loyality hat and dare anyone to knock it off, that doesn't make it a better bike for the massses. |
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Jasper, MO | PhantomX - 2013-12-30 11:10 AM
One of the nice things about the Wing is the aftermarket. ANYTHING you could ever want for a motorcycle and probably a bunch of stuff you didn't is available for the Wing and it all directly bolts in and plugs in without any fuss or muss. That part is nice, really nice, just a massive selection of farkles to buy. You can make a GoldWing a rolling couch, any kind of seat you can imagine, endless windshield and wind management choices, foot pegs, floor boards and highway pegs for days.
And for those that bag on the Wings handling and say the Vision is superior haven't really "ridden" a wing. it has a reputation as a 900lb sport bike for a reason, mainly of course because it rides on basically a sport bike chassis. Aluminum frame, single sided pro swing arm, inverted forks, etc. And Traxxion makes a upgrade for them that makes them pretty sick. Yes the Vision is a great handling machine no doubt and one of the things I love about it is it's handling feel is damn close to a GoldWing and that's NOT a bad thing...
This is what a wing is capable of doing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nrMQ3QwyPo&feature=player_embedded#...
I know we all put on our "brand loyalty" hats because we love what we purchased, but I like to give credit where credit is due and this fight goes to the Wing. You put a stock Wing and a Stock Vision on a track together and the Wing will just dust it stock vs stock... The Vision is great, no doubt but so is the Wing...
The Goldwing is a great bike, for sure, but your assertion that it out-handles the Vision isn't true. I rode the "Dragon" and many other roads with friends on 1800 Goldwings, and they drag hard parts LONG before the Vision does, and can't keep up in the hard corners because of it. Yes, the handling is great, comparable to the Vision, and is fully capable of surprising many sportbike riders, but the 'Wing just doesn't have the cornering clearance to equal the Vision. They both handle similarly well (I used to have one, and my riding companions still do), but the Vision has better cornering clearance and can beat the Goldwing through a series of tight curves. The Goldwing is a great handling touring bike. The Vision is better yet.
That's real world experience talking, and I and the guys I ride with are all aggressive and experienced former sport bike riders. Equally experienced riders are faster on the Vision than the Goldwing. It is only because of the cornering clearance differences. The actual handling of the two bikes is quite comparable in most situations.
On the "Dragon" we had a young friend who was riding a ZX14 along with us. He could power up and catch us (two Goldwings and my Vision) in the straighter sections, but wasn't able to keep up with us in the curves. The bike was capable of out-handling our touring rigs, but the rider wasn't. He would always fall back through the curves, and then catch us again when the road straightened a bit. The Goldwings were throwing sparks through every curve, but I only touched down once, (intentionally--to see how much lean angle I had left) and could have gone faster had I not had a Goldwing in front of me slowing me down. On the return trip through the "Dragon", we let the kid on the ZX14 lead, and he would blast away from us on the straights, and then hold us up through each corner as we caught him again. He has a lot to learn about cornering. The kid is a fierce competitor on the dragstrip with that ZX14 though.
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Land O Lakes, FL | yes the ground clearance can be a bit to work around but it's not that much shorter than the Vision and if you take the right line and right speed you won't be dragging it that much. I also am a former sport bike rider and racer (600's) and also owned 2 ZX14's, Busa's, 600's, BMW's and the list goes on and I can hustle either bike through the twisties at about the same pace, edge to the wing because it simply has more power. If you were to time trial each on a track the wing would beat it, it simply has way more power stock vs stock and the minor difference it may loose in a corner in clearance (and its probably an inch or two) it more than makes up for in torque and pulling power. The Wing simply has power everywhere, I know I ride them both, currently and my F6B is even better, more clearance, lower motor, less top heavy, feels like a toy and you can sling it around quite handily.
At the end of the day it's the skill of the rider that determines the victor but 2 equally skilled riders and the Vic doesn't have the power stock to keep up. Sure you can spend $1200 to make it "as quick" (again rider dependent) as a stock Wing and that's cool that a Twin can do that. And it's not that much smaller of a Twin it is after all 1771cc's to the GoldWings 1832cc's.
Again we can brand bash all we want but the spec sheet doesn't lie the more powerful bike with about the same handling with equal riders and it's pretty easy to see the outcome. I love them both dearly, I really do and for me they feel very very similar... |
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| PhantomX - 2013-12-21 1:01 AM
So there are some really good deals out there for end of year and my Vision is coming up to the end of the warranty period. I really love the Vision and I love the Blue CCT as well. I found one for $18,9k.
I was curious if any have ridden one and what there thoughts were. Does it handle the same as the Vision? Comfort? I like the idea of all that extra storage and more passenger room, adjustable passenger pegs, etc. Of course the power windscreen and amazing looks of the Vision are hard to pass up too. This is the longest I've ever kept any one bike, it'll be 2 years in February. So far it's been trouble free for the most part save for the occasional drop out of 2nd gear under hard acceleration (maybe I didn't kick up hard enough) and the ABS light comes on now and again but I think that's a dirty sensor. I would just hate for those to turn expensive as the warranty runs out.
My other option is to see if you can purchase the extended warranty, I know most manufacturers you can if the bike is still under the factory warranty.
Would like to hear what you all think? Or upgrade to the red 2013 Vision that I absolutely love but damn that blue CCT is gorgeous too!
Before you decide to change bikes due to warranty,,,,,,,what would the warranty cover that MIGHT need covered? Now compare that total to the amount out of pocket for the new ride or extended warranty. The Vision is pretty bullet proof on the engine and drivetrain. It is all math...... |
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New Bohemia, VA | Good math too, not fuzzy math. I've got my monies worth and never batted an eye when the warranty ran out. The only thing that I need to change out is the rear shock at this point and get my leather seat. |
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