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Dallas_Gal
Posted 2008-08-13 8:58 PM (#16036)
Subject: Dealing with the heat


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 21
Plano, TX
There are several threads commenting about the heat from the engine. Outside of wind deflectors or asbestos pants, how are you dealing with engine heat?

Keep in mind, in TX, we ride in 100 degree heat and in stop and go traffic. Full chaps are not practical.

Give me your best suggestions!
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spursmvp
Posted 2008-08-13 9:06 PM (#16039 - in reply to #16036)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Tourer

Posts: 377
O'Neill, Nebraska
Jeans work for me in San Antonio. I just don't stop at the light or signs (just kidding).
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RotnRat
Posted 2008-08-13 10:39 PM (#16048 - in reply to #16039)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Cruiser

Posts: 117
South of Houston Tx
Down here on the Gulf Coast I just where jeans, tall boots, and long socks. When it gets hot going down the road I twist my foot up till the wind tunnels up my pant leg, but use cation with that cause the critters can get places you don't want them in!
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Spock
Posted 2008-08-14 12:00 AM (#16056 - in reply to #16036)
Subject: RE: Dealing with the heat


Tourer

Posts: 495
Carrollton, TX

The lower wind deflectors work great and the highway pegs are also a big help as they allow you to get your legs and feet further away from the engine heat. I ride my bike to work a lot wearing dress slacks and dress shoes which I don't think I could do without the wind deflectors and highway pegs. Wearing heavy jeans, tall boots and heavy socks works great for me even on long rides in 100 degree plus temps in Texas. There have been a couple of days in the 104 to 107 range with high humidity that were really hot just standing.

I have ridden the Gold Wing and Harley Ultra in these temps and the Gold Wing is about the same as the Vision and the Harley is a lot hotter.

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pollolittle
Posted 2008-08-14 7:35 AM (#16067 - in reply to #16036)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Visionary

Posts: 2027
Brighton, TN
get naked!
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rmclarty
Posted 2008-08-14 8:26 AM (#16069 - in reply to #16036)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Cruiser

Posts: 261
Sugar Land, TX (Outside of Houston)
Down South, we do our "Winter Modifications" in the Summer. You don't have a Texas Garage unless it is Air Conditioned. The heat is welcomed on the one or two cold mornings we have sometimes on the Gulf Coast.
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etspastimes
Posted 2008-08-14 3:47 PM (#16097 - in reply to #16036)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Tourer

Posts: 388
Salisbury, NC
So far this is the best post that I have seen dealing with heat: http://www.vision-riders.com/bb/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=1569&pos...
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Crawford
Posted 2008-08-14 6:08 PM (#16108 - in reply to #16067)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Tourer

Posts: 340
Regina Saskatchewan Canada
pollolittle - 2008-08-14 5:35 AM

get naked!


I'm thinking "get naked" is not an option, at least in my case, everyone would be hitting the ditch because they would be wanting to cover their eyes.

Edited by Crawford 2008-08-14 6:20 PM
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Spock
Posted 2008-08-14 6:16 PM (#16109 - in reply to #16097)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Tourer

Posts: 495
Carrollton, TX

I would not modify the fairing piece at all. I talked to a Vision engineer and he said you would not believe all the wind tunnel and simulation testing that went into the airflow design of the Vision.

The lower wind deflectors work great in hot or cold weather.

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etspastimes
Posted 2008-08-14 8:57 PM (#16119 - in reply to #16109)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Tourer

Posts: 388
Salisbury, NC
I guess that when they did the wind tunnel testing, they forgot to put someone's leg next to the motor. I'm looking for some kind of vent that you can open and close to place in the area that was cut off. That way I still have my heat for winter. ET
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exharleyrider
Posted 2008-08-14 10:47 PM (#16130 - in reply to #16036)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Cruiser

Posts: 247
i'm looking for some way to get gore tex and nylon off the pipes. and can anyone tell me if they make a fire proof rain suit?
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lowtone9
Posted 2008-08-14 11:09 PM (#16133 - in reply to #16036)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Cruiser

Posts: 140
"Full chaps". Haha, good one.
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Spock
Posted 2008-08-14 11:24 PM (#16135 - in reply to #16130)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Tourer

Posts: 495
Carrollton, TX

exharleyrider - 2008-08-14 9:47 PMi'm looking for some way to get gore tex and nylon off the pipes. and can anyone tell me if they make a fire proof rain suit?

Here is a demonstration of a suit that will keep the rain off you and protect you from direct flames.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl_H68zhp_Q 



Edited by Spock 2008-08-14 11:27 PM
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Teach
Posted 2008-08-15 12:11 AM (#16140 - in reply to #16036)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Visionary

Posts: 1436
The heat really isn't an issue if you are out on open roads up to about 90 degrees ambient, and then I just tend to push my feet further forward. I actually ride a lot with my feet on the front tip overs. This said I plan to take around an inch off the rear fairing cowls (swoosh as tom calls them) over the winter. Victory may have wind tunneled their butts off but they missed the boat in several respects. First cosmetics took priority over function. The overlap of the front cylinder and oil cooler serve only one purpose, cosmetic. Secondly get behind any vehicle that makes considerable wash and the bike feels like its riding on marbles. So while they ran wind over the bike they forgot to account for traffic turbulence. Of course these issues can be overcome and/or you get use to them...... but the best "fix" for the heat I've heard suggested to date is cutting the swoosh, regardless of what the engineers have to say.

ps... I was a bit reserved about cutting the swoosh until I had a good look myself at the overlaps. Tom came up with a very good fix.
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tom
Posted 2008-08-15 3:21 PM (#16188 - in reply to #16036)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Cruiser

Posts: 59
the heat issue is over guys the modification on the swoosh worked great. i rode from bakersfield to springville yesterday in 108 heat . im telling you it was great although sweat was runnig down into my eyes the legs where cool as two cucumbers...get your grinder out and cut the right swoosh. http://www.vision-riders.com/bb/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=1569&pos... let me know if you have questions. tom
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donetracey
Posted 2008-08-15 3:47 PM (#16190 - in reply to #16036)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Visionary

Posts: 2118
Pitt Meadows, BC Canada
Yesterday was a warm day for Vancouver (maybe 80ish) - and I took a short drive to a beach along Marine Drive by the ocean, wearing shorts. Speed was 25-30 mph - about 50% in shade. And my legs cooked. The heat is RADIANT - not something that will go away with a little wind on it. At slow speeds, no amount of cutting and hacking, or air deflection will stop the heat radiating from the rear cylinder.
The only protection is some material other than skin. And at my age, I should know better....
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tom
Posted 2008-08-15 8:37 PM (#16218 - in reply to #16036)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Cruiser

Posts: 59
Donetracey, even at slow speed the air blows by your ankle and leg with the right side swoosh trimmed. and you dont feel the radiant heat. i also wrapped the header pipe with header wrap from auto zone,the kind we used to wrap drag pipes with on tt pipes or hot rods. i only wrapped the top pipe from head to connection with the muffler. just trim the swoosh im telling you it works. tom
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okthenbye
Posted 2008-08-15 9:09 PM (#16221 - in reply to #16140)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Cruiser

Posts: 266
Stockton, Ca.
Cutting the swoosh does not appeal to me but installing a closable vent does. I would like to cut a 2" X 10" vent in either side that can open and close. It seems it would direct the air exactly where it is needed especially if the vent door acted as a deflector.
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varyder
Posted 2008-08-15 11:07 PM (#16233 - in reply to #16221)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA

okthenbye - 2008-08-15 9:09 PM Cutting the swoosh does not appeal to me but installing a closable vent does. I would like to cut a 2" X 10" vent in either side that can open and close. It seems it would direct the air exactly where it is needed especially if the vent door acted as a deflector.

OTB I think you are on to something, it seems it may be a viable solution if done in good taste. However, I guess my ignorance of not riding for twenty years makes me more tolerant of the heat. I always wear long pants, denim, with boots, and even at 100 degrees here in Va. the heat has not been a distractor or a concern. What is interesting is that 100 degrees is hot, period, so if I ride in that, why would a few more degrees bother me. I just don't understand why this is such a hot topic, no pun intended. Next folks will be fed up because they have to put their feet down at a stop light.

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varyder
Posted 2008-08-16 6:53 AM (#16240 - in reply to #16140)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA

Teach - 2008-08-15 12:11 AM ...Victory may have wind tunneled their butts off but they missed the boat in several respects. First cosmetics took priority over function. .... Secondly get behind any vehicle that makes considerable wash and the bike feels like its riding on marbles. So while they ran wind over the bike they forgot to account for traffic turbulence. Of course these issues can be overcome and/or you get use to them......

First, my opinion, and of cours we know about them, is that cutting the swoosh and the results are yet to be determined. If it works, fine, it seems it might in the short term. And of course, a new one can always be order to replace it if proves to be unbenificial.

As to the traffic wash I wish I could understand what anyone is trying to get out of riding a motorcycle. Traffic wash is part of riding if you ride anywhere there is traffic. My assesment of what you said Teach is that we indeed have to get use to it because I think the Vision rides different, but better. To me the ride is superior to anyother bike I've ridden and that is limited. But I will say that it rides superior to any bike out there, just my opinion. When I first rode the Vision and experienced the wash it did feel like marbles as you stated, but my body was not in tune with the way this bike handles. I was trying to ride and anticipate the old way on a less sophisticated bike. Now that my body is in tune, I think I would be a little scared to ride any other bike because it would be like going back to the horse and buggy days on any other bike. Today, when I ride, traffic wash, high winds and other surprises do not give me the concern as it once did, and amazingly they are hardly noticeable because of the way this bike takes them.

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bigwill5150
Posted 2008-08-16 1:38 PM (#16247 - in reply to #16036)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Iron Butt

Posts: 725
Reno County, KS
Denim pants and 10" high boots for me.
When cutting the air deflection inside the inner fairing "swoosh", has it not occurred to anyone that the reason one wouldn't feel the heat as much from the engine is probably because it's not being removed from the engine as effectively any longer? Why is it being assumed that all the wind-tunnel testing was disregarded in the name of aesthetic improvement? Especially when all they would have had to have done to counter the exposed engine mounts, cables etc. was chrome plate and steel braid those areas. The deflection created by the inner fairing is obviously concentrating air pressure over the surface area of the heads of the engine and allowing heat exchange to take place. I sure wouldn't remove the air deflectors from around the radiator of a liquid cooled engine, so why remove them from an engine this is even more prone to heat failure? I like my dipstick thermometer a lot but I don't expect it to tell me the complete story about what's going on in the top end of my engine. Just my 2 cents. I think it was an innovative thought and the pictures I seen of the cutaway material showed good quality work. I know the design vs. aesthetics had to be a constant struggle for the engineers and the design fell short in a place or 2. In this area of expertise, I would probably have gotten some solid data from a subject matter expert that actually did the testing before hand. Maybe I'm wrong but until I'm wrong, I'm right! Until it is proven, I would never, ever, ever and not even then recommend this mod. If there were a way to put it back without costing a lot of $, it might be worth it to me to remove peices/parts. To each his/her own but beware of the consequences (i.e. premature overhaul, locked up engine, etc.).
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exharleyrider
Posted 2008-08-16 7:08 PM (#16256 - in reply to #16036)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Cruiser

Posts: 247
the heat may be a real benefit. i found a way to save a lot of energy. made a quick trip to the grocery store today and picked up some steaks. by the time i got home they were cooked the way i like them in the left sadle bag. i like 'em rare. you guys that like medium might try the right bag.

on a serious note. i took the panel between the seat and the tank and went for a ride. the on board thermometer read 87 degrees. the heat from the engine was a lot better. some heat came up through the hole left by removing the panel which might be good on a cold day. let me know what ya' think. i'm gonna go drink the ice cream i bought.

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okthenbye
Posted 2008-08-16 9:02 PM (#16266 - in reply to #16036)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Cruiser

Posts: 266
Stockton, Ca.
I installed the lower deflectors today and the adjusability is flexable enough to direct the air right on across the legs. Instructions say for 24 hour curing of the double stick adheasive strips once applied. I'll keep you posted on their perfoormance but it looks like it will do the trick with no drilling or swoosh cutting, or need for a vent or even highway pegs. **Hopefully** The advantage is BOTH sides will get more air, the price was 229.00 not too bad and they only took 15 minutes to install not including the 24 hour wait. :-)
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ellisk
Posted 2008-08-17 1:17 AM (#16278 - in reply to #16036)
Subject: RE: Dealing with the heat


New user

Posts: 3
Well I found when I test drove the dealers vision I didnt notice the heat at all. Bought mine the same day. then went for a nice long ride the next weekend after I picked it up. And yes it was hot the only difference was the lower deflectors on the dealers bike. So I have just put a set on mine.
Cutting im not sure that is a good idea I think I will wait to see how that works over the long haul. plus what does that do if you need warrenty work? Are they going to blame problems on the mod you have done thats not been tested and oked by Victory?
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okthenbye
Posted 2008-08-18 1:33 AM (#16348 - in reply to #16036)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Cruiser

Posts: 266
Stockton, Ca.
Lower wind deflectors did the trick. Look great too.
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