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Visionary
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San Antonio, TX | By now many of you have seen the video below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iC14h-i3Ns
This is one our fellow Vision Riders that has contributed in these forums.
Get well soon! I look forward to your full recovery!
If you get a chance, please post to let us know how you are doing.
On a personal note, I would like to thank you and Fergy for posting the video. This had to be a difficult decision but everyone can all learn from these type of events. In the end, I hope to be a better rider because of this video.
So in the end, thanks again for helping me stay safe out there.
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Cruiser
Posts: 205
| I agree. Sorry to see it. Hope you are healing well. Accidents happen, that is why they call them accidents. I look forward to words of advice from you as you de-brief this later.
hope you heal up and move on. Thanks for posting it, you have helped people. |
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Cruiser
Posts: 127
| I've been told it's the wrong way to do it, but I consider crashing every time I throw the leg over. I play this type of video in my head, and remember the damages from the day I was hit by a car on my mountain bike. It tends to keep me from doing stupid things, and sharpens my concentration.
Best wishes to the crashed V rider, and hope you're back on board shortly. |
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Iron Butt
Posts: 732
Western WA | I hope he wasn't hurt too badly, and that he makes a speedy and full recovery.
That was a tough video to watch.
I'll be interested to know what caused the accident. I couldn't tell if the roadway was bad, or his bike just went into a wobble. Hopefully he'll post when he's able.
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Just read the other thread where it seems the consensus is he was hard on the front brake. If that is the case it explains the 'what' but not the 'why'. Guess we will have to wait for the rider to post after he recovers.
Edited by Breaker 2009-09-15 11:26 AM
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Tourer
Posts: 363
Goldsboro, NC | I've watched it 5 times and I can't tell what he did wrong.
The best guess I have is that although he was doing okay for the road in general, there was a dip that started an oscillation.
Corrections? attaboys? Can anyone tell me more about what happened here?
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Iron Butt
Posts: 965
New York State | Sorry to see anyone go down but it looked to me like Rider and bike were not very badly damaged. I to watched a few times flat tire ?
Hope your recovery is quick |
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Tourer
Posts: 496
Scottsdale AZ | I hope he has a full recovery. Its not much fun to watch a crash, but, it is a reality check when we think it won't happen to us. |
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Cruiser
Posts: 88
| Am I wrong I saw a fellow vision rider just drive by with out stoping what the hell it should not matter what kind of bike you drive if he is a fellow biker and needs help you should give at anytime that could be you on the floor like that. I hope you have a full recovery and back up ridding again soon GOD bless |
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Iron Butt
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Tri Cities, WA | Wow I to cant figure out went wrong either. I watched it over and over as well. Just Glad that rider was ok and not really hurt. The bike can be fixed easily but the body is harder to fix overall. I wont even go into those others who passed him becasue It would come out as very nasty post so i will keep that to myself. Glad your ok bud. |
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Cruiser
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San Jose, CA | My wishes for a speedy recovery and thank God and wasn't any worse.
Prior to reading any threads I concluded the front break grab must have locked up the front wheel. From reading this thread it seems that the front break must have had something to do with it. I'm glad ABS will be an option. I'm not trading in mine any time soon but I do wish I had ABS and glad future folks have that option.
One has to practice rear break/rear break/rear break whenever in lean/turn etc. If the bike is not straight or expected to go straight, think about how much front break pressure should be applied if any at all prior to applying pressure. I'm not about to start a big debate on the use of the front break. Personally, I try to only use it when completely upright and expecting to stay that way. If leaning or turning and I need to slow, I use the rear break only if possible. If I need to slow down in a turn to stop, I put the bike upright and use both breaks. Well this is what I practice anyhow but you never know how you will react in an actual emergency.
Be safe everyone! |
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Fountain Inn, SC United States | The info that accompanies the video mentions a pole hitting the left front of the bike. I played it several times but have not been able to see anything hit the bike. All of us at Vision-Riders wish you a speedy recovery.
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Tourer
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Regina Saskatchewan Canada | As near as I can tell he was doing close to 80mph and as you can see in the picture the posted speed for the curve was 35mph. You can see the road marker in the second picture not a pole hitting the left hand side of the motorcycle and the driver's face. To me it looks like a lack of experience more than anything that caused the bike to go down. The wobble looks totally recoverable, he just had to lean it harder into the curve. Instead he panicked, wouldn't lean any harder and instead took it off the road and laid it down.
I don't know how many times I have watched this video. I really feel bad for this person and my hopes are for a fast and complete recovery.
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Visionary
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San Antonio, TX | At 39 seconds the road marker makes an impact. Just below the camera. Look how much the camera moved in less then a second.
If it was not for this impact he would have dusted off and continued on down the road.
He really needs our support right now and good wishes.
Take care.
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Tourer
Posts: 495
Carrollton, TX | Thanks for all the well wishes you all. It was me that went down. According to the GPS tacks I was going 76 mph and for some reason when I braked for this turn the rear tire started to skid which has never happened before on me except in extreme panic stop practices. Here is what I think happened. I was braking with the rear brake as I do going into a turn and usually through a turn. I applied front brake and may have given too much front brake but got a lot of dive on the bike as you can see in the video, more than I have ever gotten before. When the front dived this much there was a lot of weight transferred to the front and off the rear tire which allowed the rear tire to skid and break loose and the tank slapping started. In a corner it is really hard to recover from a tank slapper. I was then headed for the ditch and the first reflector pole which I swerved to miss and did but then started going sideways in the gravel and then over on the tip-over protectors. I was then sliding towards the second reflector pole which I could not avoid. If I would have not hit this reflector pole I would have not gotten hurt at all and the bike would have been fine to continue on the trip. The tip-over protectors worked awesome and are really designed well. What did I do wrong? I could have been going slower. I shouldn’t have braked as hard as I did. I think I was taking in the scenery and the corner surprised me and I over reacted. I could have just let up on the gas, braked lightly and counter steered around the corner. Before going on the trip I was complaining to my dealer and had a conversation with Kevinx about what I thought was an excessive amount of dive in the front forks as well as a lack of damping compared to what a new Vision has. I have just over 38,000 miles on the Vision in just 18 months and have been riding since I was 9. I have put over 160,000 miles on a bike in just the last 8 years. I ride aggressive and have never had an incident on a street bike, not even in a parking lot. My thoughts; I will probably go with ABS brakes on my next Vision. I am looking into purchasing a Traxxion suspension upgrade for my front forks on the Vision. I will slow down some. I am really glad I was riding a Vision as Vision really protected me and the bike. I would have hated to have this wreck on any of my other bikes. I first thought I should have had a full face helmet to further protect my face but the doctor in the emergency room that stitched my face up and has seen a lot of motorcycle wrecks said the full face helmet might had been a lot worse. He said the pole would have shattered the plastic and with 1 to 2 inches of room in front of the face the pole would have driven those sharp pieces of plastic into the face and it could have been much worse. I have a fractured left shoulder and 10 stiches under my left eye with some more cuts at the bridge of the nose and on top of the left eye. The pole hit me across the face and went in between my left arm and side. The pole drove my sunglasses frame into my cheek bones and bridge of the nose. The worst part is not being able to ride for 8 to 10 weeks while my shoulder heals. The bike will probably be ready in another week or two.
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Tourer
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Scottsdale AZ | Spock -Thanks for the report! It was good for us to know the details that could possibly help all of us given a similar situation. I know several, me included, were curious as to the situation you encountered. Do you think the ABS would have had a more positive effect?
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Visionary
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Memphis | Thanks for the update Craig. So glad it wasn't any worse. Really sobering to watch. When I think about some of the roads I've been on and close calls I've had it's easy to put myself in your shoes. It took a lot of guts to put that video out there for all to see but it will hopefully make us all better riders. I look forward to riding with you someday. |
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Tourer
Posts: 495
Carrollton, TX | DesertJim - 2009-09-15 5:46 PM Spock -Thanks for the report! It was good for us to know the details that could possibly help all of us given a similar situation. I know several, me included, were curious as to the situation you encountered. Do you think the ABS would have had a more positive effect? Hope you can get back on the road soon! I do think the VBS brakes would have helped and I will get them on the next Vision I buy. |
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Tourer
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Carrollton, TX | SongFan - 2009-09-15 5:47 PM Thanks for the update Craig. So glad it wasn't any worse. Really sobering to watch. When I think about some of the roads I've been on and close calls I've had it's easy to put myself in your shoes. It took a lot of guts to put that video out there for all to see but it will hopefully make us all better riders. I look forward to riding with you someday. Thanks SongFan and I hope I have an opportunity to ride with you soon as well. I had just gotten the video camera and mounted it on the helmet so it was just in time to capture this life event.  |
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Tourer
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Salisbury, NC | Spock, Glad to hear that it was not as bad as it could have been. Still bad enough as it was. Well wishes on the speedy recovery. If there is anything you need that I could help with, drop me a line. Otherwise, my prayers are with you. ET
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Tourer
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Carrollton, TX | Here are a few more pictures of and after the wreck. Kevin Ferguson and Bruce Bricker who were riding with me, Kevin was in front and Bruce in back of me. One of the funny things that happened was that after sitting up after the wreck you can see me pushing the mic button on the CB control on the handle bar to tell them I was down. Kevin came back, “what do you mean you are down you are talking on the CB” I replied I am down believe me. In the video it looks like the bikes and cars went by an never stopped but they had to either park a little further down the road or turn around to park safely.
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Cruiser
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Kerrville Texas ( now a homeowner on six acres) | Spock,
Glad uou are doing OK,(in a manner of speaking) Hope you have a speedy recovery. I appreciate the narrative and believe it will help me and many others in our future riding.
My wife and I winter in Texas (Kerrville) and hope we can link up for a ride in the near future.
Our prayers are with you and hope all else is well with you.
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Cruiser
Posts: 83
Lexington, North Carolina | Wow, tough to watch. Spock, thanks for sharing the life experience and I hope you have a speedy recovery. |
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Puddle Jumper
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| Heal fast! Glad you came out of this without worse. |
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Tourer
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Carrollton, TX | smadge - 2009-09-15 7:31 PM Spock, Glad uou are doing OK,(in a manner of speaking) Hope you have a speedy recovery. I appreciate the narrative and believe it will help me and many others in our future riding. My wife and I winter in Texas (Kerrville) and hope we can link up for a ride in the near future. Our prayers are with you and hope all else is well with you. Smadge Thanks smadge, we were in Kerrville the day before this wreck on Sunday. I really like that area and I would love to meet up with you and ride the great roads down there. |
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Cruiser
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Houston, Texas | Wishing a speedy recovery, thankfully it wasn't any worse.
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Get well soon! - Vision crash video
