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Salt Lake City | My main requirement is function, since my wife rides with me and we need more space for a piece of luggage. I ride an '09 midnight cherry Tour Premium(S1L2). |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, Va | don't do nothing until you check out CycleOps selection. I've got the Pure Polaris, which I think is Kuryakyn and pits really bad underneath, but it is very functional. CO's have the unique look and is functional. |
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Visionary
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| I have not seen the CycleOps but suggest like Nemo to research them. They are highly rated.
http://cycleopsusa.com/store/index.html
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Prairie Dog Heaven, CO | I have the Victory rack and have no pitting issues. I like the rubber inserts - they hold stuff well when strapping on and the slots for straps are in the right places. I, personally, don't like the CO design but beauty is in the eye of the beholder and functionality depends somewhat on your personal prefs.
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Iron Butt
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, FL United States | picard - 2011-01-14 1:04 PM
I have the Victory rack and have no pitting issues. I like the rubber inserts - they hold stuff well when strapping on and the slots for straps are in the right places. I, personally, don't like the CO design but beauty is in the eye of the beholder and functionality depends somewhat on your personal prefs.
My Victory rack was so pitted it cut my hand when wiping down the trunk. Switched it out for a CycleOps black rack and all is good. Will even made the standoffs a little taller so it's easier the wipe down the trunk.
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Sturbridge, Ma | I had the Victory and was fine...sold it to get cycleops winged rack in chrome. I can tell theres no rack that looks this awesome! |
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Woodland Hills, CA | The Victory trunk rack has worked for 2 of us on extended trips (of course, she gets the trunk and my stuff hangs out in the wind!). The Victory rack is OK, but I wish it was higher off of the trunk, just a tad bigger and had a lip on the front and back to better secure the bag. Having said that, I have never had a problem securing my bag on that rack, and so far, it has worked for me.
But I think I would take a look and see what Cycle Ops has to offer before you make the decision.
Oh, and by the way, I have never had any pitting problems with the Victory rack, and I agree that the rubber pads are nice. |
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Tampa, Fl United States | I have a trunk rack that is intended for a Honda Goldwing GL1800, cheaper/better quality,has the lip,looks great, no pitting & will secure alot more = more function
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N. Miami, Florida | Just wanted to drop a note and say thanks to those kinds words above from several of you about our racks. And for the astute poster, yes, the OEM racks are done for Vic by Kuryayn in China! I first came out with our racks because of the many, many requests by Vision owners I received that saw some of my racks on the steel frame bikes and who were beyond unhappy with their OEM offerings. The difference in our two versions compared the the OEM is so night and day you almost can't mention both in the same paragraph, let alone the same sentence. The polishing before chroming on them is terrible, with pulls and 'waffles' in the face, not to mention how poorly the underside is neglected both in the marks left in the supports but just chromed over, and the chrome itself on the underside, well, there's no other way to put it, it just sucks! I have seen new ones come out of the box already 'greening' around the welds due to very poor plating job (Hello China!) where the copper is bleeding. Now the difference in their thoughts on a rack are obviously different than mine. Theirs seems to be one solely of function, with little concern for aesthetics, lasting usefulness, or finishing quality. My philosophy is both proper function and handsome form can share the same molecules in space. You see for yourself the differences. This OEM rack was new in the box, no BS! OEM I took these a little while ago to point out the differences and hope these help you better undertand how much better ours really are. 
Marks in face chromed over, edges never polished before chroming... 
CycleOps USA Racks 
Note the smooth finish of the supports and the welds with the chrome fully adhered. 
Even the inward facing portions of our supports are fully polished and finished as is the proper way to do them. 
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| Go with CycleOps I did! Good guy to deal with.
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Salt Lake City | boatsrfun - 2011-01-17 2:56 PM
Go with CycleOps I did! Good guy to deal with.
Beautiful bike, and rack..Gonna be my first order this spring! |
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Woodland Hills, CA | turbobuick - 2011-01-14 4:43 PM
I have a trunk rack that is intended for a Honda Goldwing GL1800, cheaper/better quality,has the lip,looks great, no pitting & will secure alot more = more function
You wouldn't by any chance have a picture of that, would? there are several racks for the GW, and a couple look interesting, so I am interested in which one you chose and how it looks on the bike.
Thanks.
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Puddle Jumper
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| Be Careful what you put up there. Last Summer I put the bike on the side stand and she fell over in Slow motion and pinned my wife under the bike. Now I had it over weight and my wife was sliding off the bike but I would of never thought that it would of happend. Strrickly operator error but beware it can happen. It really changes the COG. |
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Cruiser
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| Nice,
But since you are pointing out defects, I see a couple of weld imperfections in your product. Excessive undercut, inconsistant travel speed, and uneven filler depositing. Nice finish work, but the undercut creates stress risers that suseptable to cracking. The other issues are purely cosmetic unless you weld legs are too uneven. |
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N. Miami, Florida | OK, now everyone knows you're a welder if they didn't already know by your screen name. As for the welds they're quite good and especially giiven their location and purpose. No need for measured perfect cosmetic 'dimes'. As for undercutting you're way overstating the facts. Just by the nature of your post and obvious overembellishment of these 'defects' it's more obvious this was to boost your ego more than a public service. You know as well as I do that they are better than your average welds, especially for such an application. I have sold hundred of our assorted racks for all Victory models for going on four years without any complaints, and with many kudos on the welds and have NEVER had a failure EVER.
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dinwiddie, va | I have the Victory trunk rack and luggage rack. Both are great fit and finish. Personally I think the C.O. trunk rack is ugly. But..... to each their own |
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minnesota | I have the Victory trunk rack and have not had any pitting yet (2008). I put the risers made for the GW1800 rack on my rack to get the rack higher off of the trunk. I had to drill out the holes in the trunk a little because of the angle change. Worked really good for minimizing scratches on the trunk.
http://www.kuryakyn.com/Products/340/Luggage-Rack-Risers
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N. Miami, Florida | nightvision - 2011-01-19 2:12 PM I have the Victory trunk rack and luggage rack. Both are great fit and finish. Personally I think the C.O. trunk rack is ugly. But..... to each their own To each their own is right and no one style can please everyone. That's why we offer an alternative to the Winged V. If you like your OEM racks then you'll?like the Retro below. Same basic perimeter shape as the OEM but with obvious design differences plus special added bungee points that elimiante sliding for better securing your gear or for installing one (or up to?4) of our SS flag staffs. As for fit problems I never heard any complaints from OEM owners, but about the quality of finish I've heard plenty. 
And I noticed in your sig your racks are PCd, which of course is very thick and hides and flaws like the ones further up the thread. ? |
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Sturbridge, Ma | I had Victory Trunk! Sold it to someone in forum. I got the Winged "V" and I can tell you I get more compliments with this rack then my stock trunk which brought no attention to anyone. Especially the Harley boys who are jealous cause they don't have true eagle wings!!!lol Plus is definetly wider the Victory which helps for wider bags which by coincedense I have GL1800 bag. |
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N. Miami, Florida | Eric_MA - 2011-01-19 7:25 PM I had Victory Trunk! Sold it to someone in forum. I got the Winged "V" and I can tell you I get more compliments with this rack then my stock trunk which brought no attention to anyone. Especially the Harley boys who are jealous cause they don't have true eagle wings!!!lol Plus is definetly wider the Victory which helps for wider bags which by coincedense I have GL1800 bag. Thanks for chiming in Eric. As someone who had an OEM and sold it to upgrade to mine you are one of the guys to best explain the differences from an end user's perspective. That said, how would you say they compare in finish quality from the prep polishing to the chrome plating and the fitment to the bike? Oh, and how are the welds too while you're at it?  |
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Sturbridge, Ma | The chrome finish On my new Winged "V" vs. Victory trunk is night and Day!!! My chrome finish you can see clearly has more coats of the bat then stock!!! The welds are perfect! The one thing I have a problem with Victory's is you pay top dollar for something made overseas (China) and it shows in quality!!!
Not to give props to Will, because I don't know him personally as I live In Mass and he is in FL. But as for customer service and quality there's no other!!!
Another product that blew people out the water is the Engine covers!!! Another exceptional, perfect product!
You pay for what you like! Its you $$$! But I will support a local and family business then get something overseas...But to each their own!!!
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| My CycleOps Wing rack is great. Lots of complements from people looking at the bike. The finish is excellent and have no problems with the welds.
I have had this over a year and would buy another one if I bought a newer vision.
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, FL United States | I like it... Wish it was flamed... Will, U listening???
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| Hold on there Will, you say you never had a complaint. I think you ment to say not many complaints right? I bought one of your winged V racks and you can see where you welded in the chrome on top and some small pin holes inperfections in the chroming on top. I would not have chimed in here untill you said you had no complaints, because I did. I like your design better than the OEM rack but the OEM rack, I had, had less flaws than yours. I would still buy more products from you but this piece was not as perfect as was claimed before purchase. And I will stop here unless provoked. And most people know me here for my work and opinion. Dain |
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N. Miami, Florida | Dain - 2011-01-19 9:28 PM Hold on there Will, you say you never had a complaint. I think you ment to say not many complaints right? I bought one of your winged V racks and you can see where you welded in the chrome on top and some small pin holes inperfections in the chroming on top. I would not have chimed in here untill you said you had no complaints, because I did. I like your design better than the OEM rack but the OEM rack, I had, had less flaws than yours. I would still buy more products from you but this piece was not as perfect as was claimed before purchase. And I will stop here unless provoked. And most people know me here for my work and opinion. Dain Dain, too late, you stepped on my tail for the last time. You like what you got, you just don’t like that you had to pay what everyone else here does. I don’t take lies from anyone, so you’ve screwed with the one guy who’ll call you as he sees it. First, don't twist my words. Here, read them again, "have NEVER had a [weld] failure EVER." Second, you wouldn't fall into the no complaints comment anyway as yours was a ploy. You want to play the victim when in fact you're only interested in whatever you can do to beat someone up to get something cheaper. You badgered me from day one like no one in my 4 years in this business, first with an insulting offer of $300 for a $500 BUY NOW item in my Ebay store, then pushing the issue repeatedly first through several eBay in messages and then on the phone. I even went as far to lead you from eBay, at risk of possibly violating their policy, just so I could do something for you as it was obvious you wouldn’t take no discount as an option. Hell, I even went so far as to ask if you were a member on any forums I gave discounts to and with that found you were here and gave you the Vision Riders discount. Through it all you acted and sounded like a patient getting a tooth pulled while working up to buying it and I can't think of one moment in our communications where I can say it was a pleasure talking to you like it usually is when I talk to fellow Victory owners. Stressful and tense is more like it. Hell, even your impatience in placing the order was like none other. You didn’t want to do it through the site, so you wanted to be invoiced. You called twice in between when I could do it fast enough for you, referring you to the site to just place it as I was a bit buried. You said you’d wait. Then I send the invoice only to find you placed it through the site after all. I mean Jeeze Dude, is everything with you such a drama circus? I gave you excellent customer service, responded quickly to all your correspondence. Man, I even answered your calls Sunday of Christmas weekend while out with my family, not to mention on New Years Day no less to let you make your ‘complaint'. You even flat out said on 1/1 that yes, you were breaking my balls and doing so because I said how much better my product was/is to the OEM rack. Let me guess, you don’t recall saying that, do you? I was out of stock and got them done as promised and shipped it when promised, not to mention kept you informed along the way. You said there were pits… yet you also called them 'dimples', and as you claim to know so much about restoration and chroming I’d think you knew better and that those are two different things altogether. Having personally inspected, packed, and shipped it, there’s no way in hell I missed the claimed multiple marks in the chrome. You said when asked the box was undamaged, not to mention the rack was thoroughly bubble and stretch wrapped and well packed so it couldn't move in the box, so nothing happened in shipping. By the end of our conversation it was obvious that it was a ploy simply to try and get it cheaper. Why did I come to this conclusion? Pretty simple for anyone actually. On our New Years Day chat, after making your case I asked you to send me a picture and you would not. I offered to replace it. You said nothing at first, and then continued going on about the mysterious flaws as if I never said it. I then asked straight out, "Tell me what do you want me to do for you Dain? And then there was absolute silence on the line for a long while. The silence was broken with you're saying something to the effect of, "Nah, never mind, I guess I'll just live with it.". That was the end of our conversation. Now any reasonably intelligent person can see if your assertions were true you'd have simply accepted the replacement. Why would you not accept that? Why settle and 'eat it' on a $450 rack? It's dead of winter in Ohio so why couldn't you wait 3 days for a new one? The reason is simple. You didn’t have the balls to say ‘give me a discount and I’ll keep it’. Obviously you couldn’t send it back for a replacement because if you did you’re ploy would backfire when it got here in the same perfect condition it arrived to you. I hope this makes sense to those reading this, for what other reason could there be? Any reasonable thinking person can only say “none”. Then on the 2nd I get an e-mail threatening to comment in here when another member said nice things. Remember my words? Comment as your conscience allows. Took you this long to go against your conscience I guess. Continue this and I’ll just simply post all our correspondence including my final e-mail to you, which would probably be a bit embarrassing and prefer not to do that to you. It is a shame you did this here and it’s somewhat embarrassing to me to have it come to this here in this manner, but I wear who I am on my sleeve and have nothing to hide from anyone. You brought it to the public forum and I’m sorry you left me no choice but to clear myself of your slander and lay it out like it went down between us in private. Those here who know me know how I treat my customers, and those who don’t know me can read posts here and in all the other forums as to how my customers feel about how I do business. Unfortunately sometimes there’s that one person who’s never happy, never satisfied, and regardless of anything are just that way. I apologize to the members for having to respond here and am sure if such things came your way like this you’d have no choice but to reply as well. |
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