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Cruiser
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Springfield, TN | Anyone having lifter issues? I've got 39K on my '08 Vision. On start up I have a noisy lifter for a minute or two. If I take a short break and restart I don't hear it but if I sit for an hour or 2 I hear it rattle for a minute or more until it fills up with oil again. It's unsettling to listen to it ratlle but it definitely forces me to let it warm up good before I ride. I always change oil and filter at or before 3K miles. |
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Cruiser
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Springfield, TN | P.S. I've been using Amzoil for a couple years. |
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Visionary
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| I don't think Amsoil has any thing to do with it. Amsoil is a great cleaning oil.
You just have a bad lifter so witch one is it? I wounder how you change them. Matbey do both as long as your doing one. |
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Cruiser
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Northern NJ | I have experienced this with my 08 Vision but it went away with the last oil change. Amsoil before and after so no clue what that was all about. |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, Va | there's an older thread running around here that talked in detail about it. The bottomline came from the expert KevinX who said, ride it out... I hope I'm not misquoting him but that is what I remember him saying. I had one stick on me for several hundred miles and I used MMO --- that's the last thing I should have done according to KevinX, but it did eventually stopped clicking. I still get the cold start up ticking on really cold mornings, but since using 0w40 AMSOIL it has all but stopped doing it all together.
So....ride it out. |
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Tourer
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Tucson, AZ | Mine has done it since day one...64k now on the clock. It lessens with some MMO, but I usually forget to put it in. As long as it quiets down before I leave, I have learned to live with it. Changing them out is not the easy task as it was on my HD's so...
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Cruiser
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Princeton, MN | Good friend of mine had that same symptom on his 08 Vision and found that it was the cam chain tensioner adjustment. We both could have swore that it was lifter noise. Auto adjuster wasnt working quite right Vic fixed it and problem gone. Just a thought. |
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Cruiser
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| I'm confused isn't this an overhead cam motor there shouldn't be any lifters. The only hydraulic aparatus is the hydralic chain tensioner. |
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Cruiser
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Springfield, TN | bbrist - 2011-04-14 8:25 AM
I'm confused isn't this an overhead cam motor there shouldn't be any lifters. The only hydraulic aparatus is the hydralic chain tensioner.
OK you got me there... I know it's overhead cam but isn't there still a hydraulic lifter or something similar to maintain constant pressure against the cam? Or is the valve spring all there is? I need to study this some more... Any experts out there that can tell us the answer?
It definitely "sounds" like a lifter but I'm not saying it isn't something else. I have brought it to a mechanic but of course the noise was gone before I got there and even after letting it sit for awhile at his shop it didn't make any noise on start up for him... always happens that way. |
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Cruiser
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Springfield, TN | john frey - 2011-04-13 2:42 PM
I don't think Amsoil has any thing to do with it. Amsoil is a great cleaning oil.
You just have a bad lifter so witch one is it? I wounder how you change them. Matbey do both as long as your doing one.
No intent to knock Amzoil... just figured it would be the first question asked... I'm satisfied with the oil. |
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Cruiser
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| I have noticed this when using the 20-50 oil... it is less with 10-40, and non existent if I am sitting on the bike and it is upright and not on the stand for the first start of the day... Amsoil all the way!  |
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Cruiser
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mansfield, MA United States | Ok I know this is going to sound crazy but try it. I had the same problem and it was a very easy fix. Stand the bike up before starting it. If the knock is gone you will need to change your kickstand. Sounds nuts but it worked on my old Vision. Something to do with the oil pump primmer |
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Cruiser
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Springfield, TN | I almost always start it upright as I back it out of the garage, and I have a spot to park it where it is almost (but not too far) upright while I prepare to ride or wait for the wife. I haven't noticed a difference either way. |
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Cruiser
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Springfield, TN | Found a thread on VMC... hope KevinX is right. Sounds like this should work itself out. |
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Visionary
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Memphis | I've seen a lot of guys with driver's backrests put their left foot on the floorboard with the kickstand down to swing a leg over the backrest and mount up. Over time it seems like that would change the kickstand angle and make it lean a little more on it's own later. Not really noticeable with the naked eye but could make just enough of a difference in the oil pick-up. |
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Cruiser
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Springfield, TN | The other night I had the bike on a lift after changing pipes. We started the bike straight "upright" while on the lift and it rattled for 2-3 minutes. When we slowly revved the engine to get higher oil pressure it lessened quite a bit and finally went away. I don't think the kickstand angle has anything to do with my problem. |
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Cruiser
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mansfield, MA United States | did you try adding a little oil. To the full level? mabe 1/2 qt without over filling. |
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Tourer
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| I have an '08 Vision also and have had the tapping sound at start-up for quite a while, usually goes away within a few minutes, recently while doing a 50 mile ride home from work I noticed the tapping sound was loud, got home listened around the bike, sounds like the front cyl. after a few minutes of idling the sound went away, it happened again yesterday, same ride home from work, stopped to get gas and within 15 minutes after filling up it again stopped, then today, riding in the hills, no problem, hit the flat road and a constant speed and the tapping started up again 15 min. later I'm waiting at a traffic light for a couple minutes and it stopped again. The common thing when the tapping sound starts is afternoon heat and constant speed riding, goes away with a few minutes of idling, it has not done it on the way to work in the cool of the morning. Any ideas? |
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Visionary
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| Take a wooden broom handle and start the bike now place the broom handle against one of the cam chain adjusters then place your ear on the broom handle. Now do the other one you should be able to hear witch one is bad. From what I have read yes Kevinx says ride it out. Or if you have warranty get it fixed. Dear will have to order them or from what I understand you can clean them.
No lifters in our motors
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B6QTTPcNHg&feature=player_embedded |
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Iron Butt
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| Our hydraulic lifters are built into the ends of the rocker arms so you would have to replace them as a unit. The manual suggests that a collapsed or noisy lifter will usually fix itself with 10 to 15 minutes of running at high idle thus Kevin's suggestion to "ride it out". Mostly lifters that bleed down over night have some dirt in them which keeps the ball check from seating. I've also seen lots of lifters that bleed down simply because they're a bit worn which allows the oil to seep out while the engine sits. If the engine happens to stop so that a worn lifter is loaded and leaks the noise will go away once the engine is running and the lifter pumps up again. If the lifter continues to make noise then there is often dirt present as I mentioned or the lifter or ball check is damaged. If there is damage there isn't much you can do but replace the rocker. Replacing rockers is not a complicated job just time consuming kinda like replacing cams is.
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Puddle Jumper
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| ok I need to get some info here and dont mean to Hijack the thread. But what is " MMO " mentioned in with Oil types? I have been using the Victory synt oil for the VV"08" I have but is the Amsoil that much better? What weight oil is everyone using ?
I have the same knocking noise but it goes away with in a couple mins! |
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Visionary
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San Antonio, TX | BigBrett23601 - 2011-07-11 7:50 PM
ok I need to get some info here and dont mean to Hijack the thread. But what is " MMO " mentioned in with Oil types? I have been using the Victory synt oil for the VV"08" I have but is the Amsoil that much better? What weight oil is everyone using ?
I have the same knocking noise but it goes away with in a couple mins!
Check your oil level. Any Victory needs to be straight up to check the oil. So pick up that kick stand and look at it carefully. My old dealer would never put in the correct amount of oil. Even a 1/2 of a quart low can cause this.
Click on the video link of the cutaway engine and look for the oil pump pickup. While on the kick stand it is on the high side of the motor.
Ride Safe |
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Visionary
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| hydraulic lifters are built into the ends of the rocker arms ????????????/ Roller rockers have lifters? Don't see lifters in any parts book |
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Iron Butt
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| I guess you don't believe me, John?  You don't see them in the parts book because they are part of the rocker. They're in the valve end. Would I kid you?
This is from the shop manual. Its all jumbled up but you get the idea. I don't have a way to copy a PDF file so I just stuck it in WORD and this is how it came out:
7.5
CAMSHAFT CARRIER / ROCKER ARM: 2008
CAM CARRIER TORQUE SEQUENCE
20 Nm (15 ft. lbs.)
NOTES
Apply Moly Assembly Paste
1 (PN 2871460)
Upper carrier half must be loose to allow upward movement when
After cylinder head nuts have been torqued, torque upper cam carrier as follows:
Lubricate nuts and washers with engine oil
Tighten slowly and evenly or cam holder assembly may crack
Follow sequence shown below
Torque to 24.5 Nm (18 lb-ft) to seat upper carrier
Torque to 27 Nm (20 lb-ft) final torque
cylinder head nuts are torqued. (See Cylinder Head Installation on page 7.25)
After assembly, rotate cams back and forth
Allow time for lifters to bleed down
before performing this inspection
forth slightly to verify free rotation.
Camshaft - Install w/
lobes down. Refer to
page 7.26 for
camshaft installation.
Ok?
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Iron Butt
Posts: 802
| Here's more John. From the factory description:
4-stroke, 50� V-twin, single overhead camshafts with 4 valves per cylinder, self-adjusting cam chains, hydraulic lifters
That is here. Marc
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