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| . 5 years ago: Small deck to the garage.....two expensive deck treatments.....each lasted one year. Same product that fixed this.......fixed Vision chirping. 25 years ago: Honda CBX inline aircooled 6 cylinder....6 carbs, 24 valves....slight smoking on speed shifts and downshifts. Same product fixed this Final clue: 4 drops of same stuff that took care of the deck and CBX smoking ....fixed the Vision chirping. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yuppppp....4 drops of Mobil 1 eliminated the Vision chirping....... in maybe 50 feet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q1. How long has it lasted A. 600 miles so far Q2. How loud was the chirping? A. So loud a Turkey Vulture attached the bike at 50mph.....I guess thinking the Vision was dying. So loud.......Harley bud commented on it ....and he was maybe 30 car lengths behind Q3. Dealer help? A. New tires were put on and belt adjusted. No change Q4. Do I care that this is a massive no no? A. I considered not posting this....so here is my apology in advance for violating all the motorcycle drive belt rules ....in the world Q5, Will I report back on how it worked long term? A. Yes, will update this every couple of weeks. Whatever happens, you will know. Q6. Mobil 1 worked on your dry old deck? A. Yupppp...going on 4th year this summer! Do it on a hot day, let it soak in for 24 hours and wipe off any excess. 99% soaked into the wood. Q7. Anything I would do different on the chirping? A. Maybe go with two or three drops vs four. Q8. Where did you put the 4 drops and what was weather and temperatures when you did this? A. Cool to Cold....maybe mid 50s and the 4 drops went on the lower part of the belt spread out evenly. Q9. So what exactly happened after you put the four drops on the belt and rode away? A. Chirping for first 10 feet or so was same......then over next 40 or so feet it got less and less....then gone. Q10. Do I recommend this for others right now. A. Ofcourse not......wait for my reports on all this and go from there.
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San Antonio, TX | I am looking forward to your future posts on this...
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Northeast Ohio | Mike, I am more curious if the deck is slippery when wet?  |
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| ScoreBo - 2011-05-18 10:58 PM Mike, I am more curious if the deck is slippery when wet? I found that oil based floor exterior paints are slippery when wet as where the Mobil 1 is not like that, but there are things for you to know. Maybe a 100 times up/down those steps in the wet...no issues so far. After you do it....there will be a few some places that simply do not absorb the oil like the rest of the deck..... you need to wipe these off. Also knots in the wood will not absorb any oil and excess needs to be wiped off there. I also put some sand I had on the steps the first couple of days....but that was about it. First couple of days I checked it...but the hot sun pretty much took care of it all for me other than as noted above. I got this idea since our ole High School in Ohio had wood floors and steps.....and every year in the summer these were oiled and one hundred years of use and all is fine. Ofcourse this is inside. I would recommend you do a small area for testing ......side of a step...and wet it down with your hose so you know for your application. Our deck was about one year before being torn down .....but here we are going into the 4th year and it still looks great. Friend of mine commented how good it looked and tried it.....he has no issues. Lets us know how it turns out. Mike
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Gettysburg, 2008 Tour Premium | What do you mean the 'lower' part of the belt? Could you describe the area applied to. Does lower mean the valleys in between the teeth, or the backside?
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Central Wisconsin | team222 Q7. Anything I would do different on the chirping? A. Maybe go with two or three drops vs four. Great that the chirping went away and with only a couple drops. I've been cleaning my belt with soapy warm water and letting it dry. Then spraying belt with a dry silicone . 
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| wroman - 2011-05-19 1:33 AM What do you mean the 'lower' part of the belt? Could you describe the area applied to. Does lower mean the valleys in between the teeth, or the backside? Walt Hello Walt Looking at the belt from a standing position.....I put the 4 drops of Mobil 1 on the belt teeth that were facing upwards toward me. Mike
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| Hi Thomas Good to know.....can you post your results. It would be good for all the options to posted so everyone can pick the one they want. Thx Mike Thomas - 2011-05-19 8:20 AM team222 Q7. Anything I would do different on the chirping? A. Maybe go with two or three drops vs four. Great that the chirping went away and with only a couple drops. I've been cleaning my belt with soapy warm water and letting it dry. Then spraying belt with a dry silicone .
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Central Wisconsin | team222 Good to know.....can you post your results. It would be good for all the options to posted so everyone can pick the one they want. Hi Mike, So far the belt is wearing fine, no chirping noises or visible cracks/chips on any of the teeth at 2yrs/12,000 miles.
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Flowery Branch Ga | My belt was chirping at the last service. My mech used Carmex on the teeth to stop it.
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West Bend, WI | FYI - Have not had an issue on the Vision yet. But on the VN2000 I had it was bad and I use H-D POLY OIL 99860-81 General Polymeric. Worked great and lasted for a long time never had to redo it. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | Hey $bill I was tryin to remember what that stuff was called. It's been 3 years since ive been on the Vulcan forums. I remember that hd poly stuff being the real deal, and made just for this subject |
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West Bend, WI | Chris, it worked really great for this on the V2K. |
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| I was on to the what you recommended (HD Poly Oil) and went to the Harley dealer here to buy it ......butttttttt......the service manager told me it was not for rear drive belts and they do not use it for that purpose. He read this to me from the parts book "Recommended for the engine compensator sprocket on primary belt drive models" Based on this I did not buy it  ..... however due to your favorable results I have added it to the fixes to that do work below. Thanks
This post and all your responses have resulted in three real world proven belt chirping fixes...... plus the Mobil 1 four drop approach which is in testing. Silicone Water Guard (Thomas)
Carmex (Wayne)
Harley Davidison Poly Oil (Dollarbill) Mobil 1 Four Drops in testing…. (Mike) Any more Vision proven belt chirping fixes out there we can add to this list Thanks to everyone Mike dollarbillwi - 2011-05-20 6:34 AM FYI - Have not had an issue on the Vision yet. But on the VN2000 I had it was bad and I use H-D POLY OIL 99860-81 General Polymeric. Worked great and lasted for a long time never had to redo it.
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Gettysburg, 2008 Tour Premium | I am pleased to hear about the Mobil 1 used on the deck. Around 4-5 years ago solvent based deck sealant was taken off the market and replaced with this water based crap that does not work. |
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Brighton, TN | Adjust the Belt. It takes a little time to do it, most mechanics won't. It's easier to slap some goo on and call it good. There was a post way back where the collection of Visions and those guys complaining to a tech rep at a meet, and he wound up adjusting belts on a bunch of Visions and correcting the problem that way.
I would be curious to know for those that STILL have this problem, if you were to only put some of this stuff on the side of the belt or the rear pulley inner sides would that cure it, seems if it did, then the rear tire alignment is off slightly causing it to rub.
That is the only thing I did to mine was crawl around on concrete, get the basic idea from the service manual and adjust, I don't remember how far out it was, but I remember it was a LOT, not just a couple of turns. So much so, that I had to loosen the belt a couple of times because it got too tight.
Of course, this is my own personal peave and one of the things I successfully corrected myself, around 5,000 miles on the odometer. I have put on four tires since then and over 50,000 miles and not one peep or squeaky Mickey Mouse. So yeah, I'm lightly partial to my solution.
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| I asked for someone to video the belt alignment in a few posts because I read the service manual and it does not make sense to me .......plus I have no way to get the Visions back end up in the air. Given this.... my strategy then became to simply count on the dealer doing the belt alignment correctly per the service manual and as such eliminate any belt chirping as part of each new tire change. Ahhhhhh....guess how that has worked out. So next time you do a tire change could you please do a video on the belt alignment for us/me. In the meantime, the best hope if have is that my Mobil 1 four drops solves the belt chirping. If this does not work out I will try one of the other proven results posted in this thread so for, but there is always a chance that a dealer might get it right during the next tire change.  Thanks for your reply
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pollolittle - 2011-05-20 11:17 AM Adjust the Belt. It takes a little time to do it, most mechanics won't. It's easier to slap some goo on and call it good. There was a post way back where the collection of Visions and those guys complaining to a tech rep at a meet, and he wound up adjusting belts on a bunch of Visions and correcting the problem that way. I would be curious to know for those that STILL have this problem, if you were to only put some of this stuff on the side of the belt or the rear pulley inner sides would that cure it, seems if it did, then the rear tire alignment is off slightly causing it to rub. That is the only thing I did to mine was crawl around on concrete, get the basic idea from the service manual and adjust, I don't remember how far out it was, but I remember it was a LOT, not just a couple of turns. So much so, that I had to loosen the belt a couple of times because it got too tight. Of course, this is my own personal peave and one of the things I successfully corrected myself, around 5,000 miles on the odometer. I have put on four tires since then and over 50,000 miles and not one peep or squeaky Mickey Mouse. So yeah, I'm lightly partial to my solution. Glad the others are working! |
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| 4 drops of Mobil 1 on drive belt teeth. 800 miles.....still no chirping |
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Brighton, TN | 45000 more to go |
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Tucson, AZ | I use Harley belt dressing on mine with good results. My chirping was not as bad as yours. Mine only chirped when on the throttle hard. |
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| pollolittle - 2011-06-04 1:14 PM 45000 more to go Ahhhhhhhhhh 45000 more .....to what......... 1. You do a belt adjustment video for those of us that need something like this 2. Miles chrip fixes posted in this thread have to go ......to make sure they really fix it 3. Maximum miles 4 drops of Mobil 1 will lubricate anything in this world.....inc Victory belt to stop it chirping |
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Brighton, TN | team222 post your 20 and see if your close enough to come over and video my next tire change which should be very soon within a week or two, getting down to a smooth tire. Almost 15k+, most I ever got. While your here we'll go ahead and fix your alignment issue also. I'll wait for the chirp to reappear.
I have about 45000 more miles than you and no chirping and no attention to the belt or associated drive system, other than the tire. So, if you can go 45000 more miles before you add another 4 drops of oil, I would have to agree that your fix worked and I'll have to post it along with my other list of fixes under the tech reference.
1. Never done such a thing, seems tough to hold tools and a video camera, where's Radioteacher when you need him. I will attempt to video something and explain it in great southern detail on what I did. But if you have no way of elevating the GInormous Vision, its a little tough to get it right.
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Brighton, TN | You could add some of the info from the link below to your growing list.
http://www.vision-riders.com/bb/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=3524&pos... |
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| I can help you with the video, I will send you a camera holding device that will allow you to do the the work and not have to operate the camera video at the same time. I have used this approach, so I am 100% sure it will work for you. If this is ok, pm me your uspo address. You might have a tripod....same result. The goal of my post was to get proven results on fixing the chirping for those of that can not do the factory belt adjustment ourselves, buttttttt still have the chirping after the new tires are installed. Those not knowing how to adjust the belt in my case ..... 2 dealers and me! I did read over your post on belt adjustment....it was then I realized that I really am not smarter than a 1st grader in reading comprehension and did my post on this topic. Thanks for doing the post though....I am sure most understood it and it helped them. Very Minor Nit: As far as 45,000 mile being the benchmark for belt chirping fixes to be included in your tech reference here....I think you have to admit you really do not know if your belt alignment will go the stated 45,000 miles on a single adjustment ...do you.....since you have to adjust your belt with every tire change. Sooooooooooooo....for other fixes here to qualify for your tech reference section non chirping, the mileage standard should be the same.... 10,000 to 15,000 miles between tire changes .....which is equal to your results Thanks for your reply and help Mike pollolittle - 2011-06-07 10:04 AM team222 post your 20 and see if your close enough to come over and video my next tire change which should be very soon within a week or two, getting down to a smooth tire. Almost 15k+, most I ever got. While your here we'll go ahead and fix your alignment issue also. I'll wait for the chirp to reappear. I have about 45000 more miles than you and no chirping and no attention to the belt or associated drive system, other than the tire. So, if you can go 45000 more miles before you add another 4 drops of oil, I would have to agree that your fix worked and I'll have to post it along with my other list of fixes under the tech reference. 1. Never done such a thing, seems tough to hold tools and a video camera, where's Radioteacher when you need him. I will attempt to video something and explain it in great southern detail on what I did. But if you have no way of elevating the GInormous Vision, its a little tough to get it right.
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Brighton, TN | Very Minor Nit update / correction: I have never adjusted the belt since the day I fixed it. Been through multiple rear tire changes and all I do is put a new tire on and bolt it all back together. NO ADJUSTMENT. I do have over 51,000 on the odo now and I fixed it around the 5,000 mile mark I believe, so move benchmark to 46,000.
Did I state somewhere that I had to adjust the belt at every tire change, if so where, and I will change accordingly?
Ok, I give, I'm apparently dealing with an engineer of some level or prior Military with excellent attention to detail or an older fellow with just an affection for explicit statements of correctness and no variance.
I too have a goal, help where possible, chide when available and ride when I can, without a chirp. I dealt with that dang squeaking, chirping belt, for over 4500 miles before I fixed it. Irritating to all get out, I could have taken the bike back in and told them to give me a new bike, if it was an option. I had had all I could take, 20k+ for a bike, and I got this embarrassing, chirping, gonna drive me crazy sound coming out of my new bike and nobody knows how to fix it. ARAARRGGGGHHHH.
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