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Bluff Park, Alabama - God's Country! 2011 PW VV | I was told by a wrench at a dealer that once you go synthetic, you cannot go back to anything else. True - false? Discuss. THANKS CHUCK
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New Bohemia, VA | yeah, he's right. It's hard to go back to a shorter life span of dino, or semi-dino, notchy shifting and noisey engine on my Vision. |
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| varyder - 2011-09-10 3:53 AM yeah, he's right. It's hard to go back to a shorter life span of dino, or semi-dino, notchy shifting and noisey engine on my Vision. Lol. This. |
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| Wait a minute.......OK, I have the popcorn popped, a glass of iced tea, sitting in my favorite chair with my laptop........let the oil threading begin!!!!
Seriously, you can change back at any time with no ill effects except the ones that varyder mentioned. |
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Jasper, MO | varyder - 2011-09-10 3:53 AM
yeah, he's right. It's hard to go back to a shorter life span of dino, or semi-dino, notchy shifting and noisey engine on my Vision.
Hah! So true!
I actually put Victory oil back in my Vision last Spring, because I was changing the oil on three bikes and only had enough Amsoil to do two of them. I had over 5000 miles on the Amsoil in the Vision at that time. I still had a gallon of Victory oil left over from the days when I ran the stuff, so I thought "what they heck, I've got it, I might as well use it" and put the gallon of Vic oil in my Vision.
Instantly, my Vision got noisier, neutral was elusive, and the shifting got "notchy" after about 2000 miles on the oil. I dumped that crap out and refilled with Amsoil and everything is back to normal. The bike is quieter, shifting is smoother, and neutral is easy to find again.
Victory makes some of the best bikes on the planet. Their branded oil--not so much.
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Midlothian, Va. | The real lesson here is to stay away from that "wrench" |
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| I put my Amsoil in a brown paper bag so the motor doesn't know what I'm putting in her.
I love dealers and service guys that think people believe what they say with out checking around. |
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Akron, Ohio | You can run what you want when you want. I too believe that synthetic is far better, but it wont hurt the bike to switch back. I doubt that you will want to after you get used to he good stuff but it is your call. |
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Edmonton Alberta, Canada | I finally made the switch this spring to Amsoil, as with the Victory oil change kits leaves you one extra quart! Totally diferent bike with the premium oil. Not to mention the $30 dollar savings. My next bike will only get the 500 mile oil change at the dealer then straight to Amsoil. I now do not have to plan my mc trips around oil changes! |
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New Mexico | norcan - 2011-09-10 9:36 PM
I finally made the switch this spring to Amsoil
Any improvement in mpg?
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Edmonton Alberta, Canada | Who checks gas milage??????? I ride it like it were stolen, 40-50-or 60 mpg makes very little differance to me in over all operating cost!!!! It is what it is!!!!! Just that is is quieter, cooler, and shifter better and longer than Victory Oil, Oh yeah, and double the change intervals!!!!!! |
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Bluff Park, Alabama - God's Country! 2011 PW VV | I was pretty sure that it was not gonna blow up if switched back, but I have seen many threads where people are trying diff things so just wanted some feedback. I am curious if the rotella is on par with Amsoil. The bike is SO much better, smoother and quieter now that it has AO synth in it. I do not plan to have the dealer do any more oil changes now that the 5k service has been done! |
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New Bohemia, VA | I use the rotella all the time - however, I've not found a 0w-40 off the shelf other thans AMSOIL which I'll be switching too soon for the winter months. |
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| ghostssx - 2011-09-11 1:03 AM I was pretty sure that it was not gonna blow up if switched back, but I have seen many threads where people are trying diff things so just wanted some feedback. I am curious if the rotella is on par with Amsoil. The bike is SO much better, smoother and quieter now that it has AO synth in it. I do not plan to have the dealer do any more oil changes now that the 5k service has been done! Do Not switch around trying different brands. Find a oil that you like and can afford and pick up at a store very easy and stay with it. Switching oils from one to another is not good for the clutch and motor. I use Amsoil cause I can buy it at fleet Farm three miles away and yes I go right by my dealer to get it. I think synthetic oil helps the bike run cooler and in my 08 I go 5000 between changes.
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| I am thinking of going to another oil besides Victory and doing changes myself. If I go to Amsoil for the Vision what weight/type do you use and where or what filter if I don't buy the Vic oil change kit.....I quess I can still buy just the filter at dealer and not oil???? Just curious as I have always had the dealer do my oil/filter changes before he closed shop..New dealer is much farther away and a multi-line dealer so I have to make an appointment and leave bike which I would rather not do...Thanks |
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| opas ride - 2011-09-11 11:27 AM I am thinking of going to another oil besides Victory and doing changes myself. If I go to Amsoil for the Vision what weight/type do you use and where or what filter if I don't buy the Vic oil change kit.....I quess I can still buy just the filter at dealer and not oil???? Just curious as I have always had the dealer do my oil/filter changes before he closed shop..New dealer is much farther away and a multi-line dealer so I have to make an appointment and leave bike which I would rather not do...Thanks Most of the guys that do there only oil change are using Wix filter P/N 51358 you can buy the at O'Reillys NAPA they say there a really good filter and cheap. They run about $7.oo I use 10w40 year around cause it cools just as good as 20w50 but 10w40 has less piston drag at start up and when bike is hot it cools just as good.
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Cedar, Michigan | I have been using Shell Rotella T6 Full Synthetic 5W40 in my Vision, It cost $20 for a 4 Qt. jug at Wally World. Amazing value for the $$$$. Very quiet tranny, ZERO clutch slip. I wouldn't consider going to another oil dino or syn. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | this is a interesting read. the whole thing about once you go synth you cant go back has Always made me laugh!!
http://www.amsoil.com/articlespr/articlemyths.aspx |
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New Bohemia, VA | I use the ST7317 (supertech) oil filter from wal-mart. At $2.88 a pop and it came out fairing just as well as the top dollar filter on a taste test, why pay more for the same thing? |
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Jasper, MO | john frey - 2011-09-11 3:01 PM
opas ride - 2011-09-11 11:27 AM I am thinking of going to another oil besides Victory and doing changes myself. If I go to Amsoil for the Vision what weight/type do you use and where or what filter if I don't buy the Vic oil change kit.....I quess I can still buy just the filter at dealer and not oil???? Just curious as I have always had the dealer do my oil/filter changes before he closed shop..New dealer is much farther away and a multi-line dealer so I have to make an appointment and leave bike which I would rather not do...Thanks ? Most of the guys that do there only oil change are using Wix filter P/N 51358 you can buy the at O'Reillys? NAPA? they say there a really good filter and cheap. They run about $7.oo I use 10w40 year around cause it cools just as good as 20w50 but 10w40 has less piston drag at start up and when bike is hot it cools just as good.
The WIX 51358 is the listed (motorcycle specific) filter for a Victory and a very good filter. The WIX 51356 is basically the same filter, but is a little longer and is listed for a lot of cars and industrial equipment. It also fits Victorys just fine and is cheaper due to the economy of scale. I get them around here for about $4.50.
The WIX 51356, NAPA 1356, and CarQuest 85356 are all the same filter and are all made by WIX. Similarly, the WIX 51358, NAPA 1358, and CarQuest 85358 are all made by WIX..
I've been using the regular Amsoil 20W50 motor oil in Victory bikes for over 10 years. It is also JASO MA rated, and is cheaper than the Amsoil "motorcycle" oil. The Amsoil 10W40 has the same specs, other than weight. You can also use the Amsoil "motorcycle oil". Your choice.
My son works at a Walmart Tire and Lube center. They do not install Walmart Supertech filters as part of the normal service. Supertech filters are offered on the shelf for sale to the "cost conscious, do it yourself consumer". Personally, I'll spend the extra couple of bucks for a premium filter, especially since I go 5000+ miles per oil change on the Amsoil.
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New Bohemia, VA | There was a filter comparison on Bob the oil guy website that compared the $2.88 supertech filter up there with the $7.00 - $14.00 filters and was rated better if I'm not mistaken to some. It is all on what you spend your money on. I guess if they would start charging more for supertechs without changing anything more "quality mind" folks would buy them. The comparison was not to prove anything about any one filter, it was just showing the comparison.
I used Fram for a number of years without issue until I got a defect in one and nearly lost my engine. I found out then that Fram is one of the worst oil filters on the market and yet they are known for filters. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | varyder - 2011-09-11 7:46 PM
There was a filter comparison on Bob the oil guy website that compared the $2.88 supertech filter up there with the $7.00 - $14.00 filters and was rated better if I'm not mistaken to some. It is all on what you spend your money on. I guess if they would start charging more for supertechs without changing anything more "quality mind" folks would buy them. The comparison was not to prove anything about any one filter, it was just showing the comparison.
I used Fram for a number of years without issue until I got a defect in one and nearly lost my engine. I found out then that Fram is one of the worst oil filters on the market and yet they are known for filters.
get this talk about defective oil filters i had (3) Yes 3 defective AMSOIL oil filters. 2 over 2-3 years then the last one i said enough! and contacted amsoil. they said my size they were aware of problems.. they sent me 5 qts of their motorcycle oil since i lost half of it on my garage floor! right now i am using a polaris oil filter (only because i bought it when i bought the bike). so Now when i dont have a polaris oil filter i use NAPA Gold. they always have then in stock and on BITOG forum they always score in the top... the problem i had with the amsoil filter(S) were Uneven surface where the rubber gasket sits. if you were to put a flat edge on it, you could see it wasnt perfectly level.... and those filters were Not cheap! |
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Jasper, MO | I've read many of those comparisons. All I've ever been able to find are comparisons where some dude cut open various filters and made judgments based on how the components "looked" to him. I've never been able to find any test data that showed things like measured pressure drop across the filter, actual filtering efficiency, actual bypass valve opening pressure, etc. In other words, no scientific data, just opinions. I would be interested in seeing some scientific research if you know of a source. The Supertech filters may be as good or better than some other branded filters. For the extra $1.56, I'll continue to use premium WIX filters and change them every 5000 miles.
Many people using the Supertech filters are changing them at 2500 miles, so 2 X $2.88=$5.66.
I paid $4.44 for WIX 51356 filters last time I got some. I run them 5000 miles, along with Amsoil.
$5.66 minus $4.44 = $1.22 more for the Supertech filters. I think I'm saving money. I know I'm confident in the quality of the WIX filters and the Amsoil. I signed up as a preferred customer at Amsoil and get the 25% discount. My oil changes with the WIX filter and Amsoil cost me just a bit over $40 for 5000 miles.
What are people paying for oil and filters that get changed at 2500 miles?
Ronnie
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Dallas, Texas | I use a semi-syn, right now Motul, but thinking about Brad Penn, in winter, and Mobil 1 full syn, in summer, both 20W/50. Don't put enough miles on the bike to worry about mileage, just every 6 months. Always use PurOne oil filter, without issue. As long as the oil is rated for motorcycle, switching from syn to semi syn, is fine. Nothing, and I mean nothing printed, states that changing types or brands of oil, as long as they are properly rated, is bad for a motor. Amsoil has a great marketing department. I love me some oil threads.
Edited by iluvink 2011-09-13 1:05 PM
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Camas Washington | I have never posted on any of these oil discussions since I find them boring. This is what I have to say about synthetic oils: Synthetic Oil = Paulov Dogs = Placebo Effective. I have to ask the question. Do those that swear by synthetic oil in their engine think they really know better than the engineers that designed and built the vic engines. If you do then go apply to vic but you better have a mechinical engineering degree. If vic and their engineers knew that the engines would run better and wear better with synthetic, then don't you think that is what they would require to put in them?? You put synthetic in because someone on this site says its better which they heard from some wrench that swears by it. Thus you use it and you tell your brain that all is smoother and better - the placebo effect. Also as a marketing ploy it would be better for vic to sell full synthetic, the margin in the price would be greater than semi however they do no do that because vic knows what works best.
This is nothing more than my opinion. If you feel better with full syn use it! For me I will trust those that built and designed the motors. |
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NOT another oil thread.
