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seattle, wa | Next time I need tires I am going to try a car tire just to see what all the hubbub is about. |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | And I shall forever defer to you 'Rocket Scientists' that are so wise and knowing .... and slink off to wherever Computer Consultants go to pout. Farewell all you Darksiders! May your dreams keep your bikes upright and safe. Goodbye.
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Bullhead City, AZ | You do know that there has never been a double blind study done that a parachute works better than a cinder block, In fact there has never been a double blind study comparing a parachute to anything for safely jumping out of an airplane. Just anecdotal evidence that it works better. Anyone want to get in line for that study???  |
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| Kelvininin - 2012-05-21 5:27 PM
Here is my logic...
Just so you know...
Being injured due to improper use or not using the proper safety equipment: Injury preventable with proper use of safety equipment.
Drinking and driving: Irresponsible operation of a machine under the influence of drugs and or alcohol. This is preventable with the responsible use of motorized equipment.
Replacing your parachute with a cinder block: Injury, resulting from the implementation of incorrect equipment.
Car tire on a bike: Irresponsible implementation of improper safety equipment. This is no different than anything from the above. Modern tires are part of the safety equipment of anything that uses them. To knowingly use the incorrect product in a specific application is really no different than skimping on safety gear or drinking and driving. The only pro I can see about using a car tire is its cheap. That's a pretty shitty reason to put ones own personal well-being and those around them at risk.
I use to be the last person to be a safety nag but it sucks when people get hurt, and its easy preventable with the proper equipment and use.
Really think of it this way, especially the way Victory has cheapened out the Vision the past few years. If it were really a good idea, and was just as safe and handled as well, to save a few bucks, most motorcycle manufactures would mount car tires on stock bikes.
The only stock bike I have ever head of having a car tire out of the box is a Boss Hoss. Those things can't turn anyway.
That's great logic Kelvin..... now where is a shred of data to support either your logic above or your claim that using a car tire will hurt someone else and is as safe as drink driving ?
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| turbobuick - 2012-05-21 7:23 PM
...You darksider haters need to go away, The wife & I on our CT Victory Vision will out handle you (around curves) out stop you (rain or shine) and this is 30k miles later....
LOL too funny... Don't think so.... |
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Pittsburgh, PA | if theres one thing i always get a kick out of... its the people that say something CANT be done when either 1) they never tried 2) others have been doing this not for weeks or months.. but for DECADES..... this isnt anything new... thousands and thousands of people have been doing this for decades and even do this while riding Deals Gap! i mean how much more of a test or proving grounds does one need? |
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| Arkainzeye - 2012-05-22 8:36 AM
if theres one thing i always get a kick out of... its the people that say something CANT be done when either 1) they never tried 2) others have been doing this not for weeks or months.. but for DECADES..... this isnt anything new... thousands and thousands of people have been doing this for decades and even do this while riding Deals Gap! i mean how much more of a test or proving grounds does one need?
No one said you can't ride the twisties with a car tire.... but a skilled aggressive rider can ride faster on an MC tire than with a CT in the twisties. Transitions are smoother, and there's better, more consistent contact patch on the ground, let alone that MC tires typically have a softer/stickier tread compound, especially in the multi compound versions out today. A DS equipped bike may feel like it's leaning as far as an MC equipped bike, but it simply is not going as fast at the same lean angle.
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| donetracey - 2012-05-21 10:34 PM
And I shall forever defer to you 'Rocket Scientists' that are so wise and knowing .... and slink off to wherever Computer Consultants go to pout. Farewell all you Darksiders! May your dreams keep your bikes upright and safe. Goodbye.
Funny sheeeet, don't go away mad just.......
In all seriousness a gentelman asked how the tire rides and handles and who has tried. That is all. If you don't know how it handles and rides. Don't post. There are plenty of dark side debate threads, you'd be better served there, this wasn't one of them
Ride safe everyone |
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| donetracey - 2012-05-21 10:34 PM
And I shall forever defer to you 'Rocket Scientists' that are so wise and knowing .... and slink off to wherever Computer Consultants go to pout. Farewell all you Darksiders! May your dreams keep your bikes upright and safe. Goodbye.
Funny sheeeet, don't go away mad just.......
In all seriousness a gentelman asked how the tire rides and handles and who has tried. That is all. If you don't know how it handles and rides. Don't post. There are plenty of dark side debate threads, you'd be better served there, this wasn't one of them
Ride safe everyone |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Jeff. The 'gentleman' asked for opinions on buying a CT, in his words: 'if for no other reason to just erk other people and waist $80.00 Of course it has to be safe to ride with the wife aboard. So, a bunch of us gave our opinion - some of us, because we were 'irked'. Some of us because we don't like to see someone 'waste' money. And some others, because we know what the experts tell us - anytime you make something 'worse', you also make it 'less' safe. Just as you learn from your teachers how to spell 'gentleman', you also learn from designers and engineers what works best. And the better it works, the safer it is. But some people just never learn - they still believe that a gentelman named Obama was not born in the U.S.A. The gentleman wanted opinion. He got some bad opinion along with the good. That is to be expected in all of these threads. IMHO
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| turbobuick - 2012-05-21 5:23 PM
People w/no real life experience can easily talk SH**!
This is my favorite argument about this whole stupid cheap stunt.
For starters. I have a SHIT TON of experience fixing broken shit, where people tired to make a piece of equipment/tool/whatever, do something its not designed to do, its what I do for a living, and people with your decision making process keep me gainfully employed, so thank you!
Second of all let me get this straight... I need to knowingly, willingly, endanger my life, and all around me on the road to gain this "real life experience"? Yeah right buddy. Good luck with that. I am quite happy with my properly equipped Vision with the correct rubber meeting the road.
Edited by Kelvininin 2012-05-22 2:41 PM
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flagstaff, AZ | Dam, my popcorn burnt!! |
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| okie vision - 2012-05-21 6:20 PM
kelvin, you're going to pull a camper trailer w/ a motorcycle. Your "safety" credibility w/ me is gone.
Yeah, great approach, I am going to pull a trailer for 5% of my riding, as opposed to 100% of ones riding on a car tire... I'm a real dear devil.
Pulling a trailer is no different than putting a heavy set gal on the back with her make-up bag in the trunk. |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | roundtwig - 2012-05-22 1:05 PM Dam, my popcorn burnt!! ...... probably too much OIL on it |
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Land O Lakes, FL | Are you guys still beating the dead horse? |
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Pittsburgh, PA | A DS equipped bike may feel like it's leaning as far as an MC equipped bike, but it simply is not going as fast at the same lean angle.
what if your following other bikes at the same rate of speed? i personally have scrapped my floorboard in a turn with a CT.. now honestly it only happened twice... but i have the marks to prove it.. =( |
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Pittsburgh, PA | Kelvininin - 2012-05-22 2:35 PM
turbobuick - 2012-05-21 5:23 PM
People w/no real life experience can easily talk SH**!
This is my favorite argument about this whole stupid cheap stunt.
For starters. I have a SHIT TON of experience fixing broken shit, where people tired to make a piece of equipment/tool/whatever, do something its not designed to do, its what I do for a living, and people with your decision making process keep me gainfully employed, so thank you!
Second of all let me get this straight... I need to knowingly, willingly, endanger my life, and all around me on the road to gain this "real life experience"? Yeah right buddy. Good luck with that. I am quite happy with my properly equipped Vision with the correct rubber meeting the road.
riding a motorcycle is dangerous isnt it? in the eyes of a doctor or an life insurance agent of even a cop. would they rather you get into a accident in a car or a motorcycle? isnt riding a motorcycle endangering your life? but if you ride one with a mc tire is All better and makes it ok when involved in a accident.. lol i love it when people talk about safety.. i drive my bike is a safe manor i dont speed through town, race people at a light etc, i cant.. my license is checked every year for my job.. But do i consider a motorcycle safe? NO way! i just looked into life insurance for this very reason.. ive been on a ct since 2005 i have yet , Burst into flames, fall over at a light, tire fall of the wheel. and yet I rode the Dragon with a car tire. 318 turns in 11 miles.. i rode it up and back many times.. a rode where people on bikes with a MC tires have been killed on...( rip) i think there is alot more to accidents than just the tire you use... |
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | Kelvininin, I'm not sure what experience you've had pulling a trailer, but I'm sure your going to find it is a lot different. Just wait until a good sidewind gets the trailer rockin in the wrong direction. You will also have to change your braking technique. Your front wheel will now slide out a lot easier and your rear will be your main means of deceleration. By far the scariest times I've had were while pulling a trailer.
As for a car tire on 100% of the time, It would probably be a issue less than .005% of time (if any).
What I have figured out, is that anyone who rides a bike, is CRAZY!!! We shouldn't be putting a car tire on it, we should be putting four on, and building some kinda roll cage around it to protect us.
So, now an update;
As the temperature hit 101 in Banning yesterday, I decided to see how well the Wintersport would handle, so I took it up into the San Jacinto mountains for "study". A nice 40 mile route with 4000 feet of elevation gain then dropping 4500 feet to Hemet. I found very few cars on the road, so I was really able to "test" the tires. Temperatures dropped to a chilling 88 degrees at the top but then returned to 103 when I hit Hemet.
Tire pressure was 37psi cold (I meant to check hot as well, but forgot). Tread depth at 6mm after 10k miles(about half worn). Front tire (Metz880xxl 140/70-18) is at 41psi with the same amount of tread left. Both tires performed flawlessly in the heat. Cornering was tight and easy to maintain a line. Transitions were smooth and braking steady. I did keep the speed down to where the floorboard skids only lightly touched a few times. No flying sparks this time.
The soft compound of the wintersport did well in the heat, we shall see how it's longevity in the heat does after the season. |
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | Turk - 2012-05-22 7:08 AM
A DS equipped bike may feel like it's leaning as far as an MC equipped bike, but it simply is not going as fast at the same lean angle.
If the lean angle is the same, and the radius of the turn is the same, with the same bike, then the speed is the same. If your leaning over more at the same speed, then you are falling over. |
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Broken Arrow, OK | Kelvininin - 2012-05-22 3:30 PM
okie vision - 2012-05-21 6:20 PM
Pulling a trailer is no different than putting a heavy set gal on the back with her make-up bag in the trunk.Please. I know you're smarter than that. It's your justification though, so be it.
I still think your stereo rocks.......huggzzzz
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Broken Arrow, OK | and here's my big ol' gal with her big azz makeup bag coming home from VITO this past weekend. Ride on!
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Akron Ohio area | Kelvininin - 2012-05-21 5:12 PM There is some great information on car vs motorcycle tires on this forum from someone who knows tires a hell of a lot better than most. http://www.motorcycleforums.net/forum/off-topic/47922-darkside-cont... enjoy. The pictures on page 4 of that forum are enough to convince me that a car tire has no place being on a motorcycle rim. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | okie vision - 2012-05-22 6:54 PM
and here's my big ol' gal with her big azz makeup bag coming home from VITO this past weekend. Ride on!
thats such a nice color!! i wanted white but "that" dealer wouldnt work with me.. |
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