You are currently not logged in.  Logon or register to access more features. Vision-Riders.com is a FREE service provided by Victory Riders Network.

Search:




I finally went down
Jump to page : 1 2 3 4
Now viewing page 2 [25 messages per page]
View previous thread :: View next thread
   Discussion -> Victory General DiscussionMessage format
 
CoolHandLuke
Posted 2012-08-27 9:38 AM (#122322 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: Re: I finally went down


Iron Butt

Posts: 849
, FL United States
Tom, sorry to hear about your Vision but am very happy that you came out of it basically unscathed.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
SongFan
Posted 2012-08-27 10:04 AM (#122324 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: RE: I finally went down


Visionary

Posts: 3204
Memphis

After a restless night of playing it over and over, I'm convinced the pickup driver would have hit me and kept going.  Let me try to explain the set-up a little better. 

It is not a typical cloverleaf offramp.  The lane you merge onto is actually a couple of hundred yards (meters for Don) long.  The lane actually starts behind you as you merge onto it and there is traffic coming from an intersection back there that is speeding up and trying to merge onto the freeway.  You have two opposite events happening:  I'm coming off the freeway, slowing down to get into a lane where the cars that are already there are speeding up for their merge into my lane.  It is a convoluted set-up but both lanes know to look over their shoulders for the inevitable overtake and swap out.  999 out of 1000 cars coming from the right will merge left.  Every blue moon one car will stay in that lane and continue straight for the cloverleaf.  That car is not really a factor because they know the cloverleaf is coming up so they don't accellerate nearly as hard as the ones that want to merge left and get up to freeway speed.

When I came off the freeway, there was no one in the offramp lane but a white truck was turning onto it, probably 100 yards behind me.  No big deal, I'm headed for the cloverleaf and he's headed for the lane I'm just coming out of so I'll be out of his way.  I down-shifted to 3rd gear and eased onto the lefthand edge of the cloverleaf lane and set up for my turn.  Just as I commit and start to lean, I look in my righthand mirror and the white truck is not only not merging left, he is coming onto the cloverleaf like a scalded dog!  Most cars take the cloverleaf at about 25-30 mph.  I can take it at about 45-50 max.  He was at freeway speed coming up on the right.  It's too late for me to bail back to the lane I just came out of and I was commited to the turn.  The only thing that saved me was the fact that the guardrail didn't start until about 1/3 of the way around the cloverleaf.  The fact that it was already bent back from a previous collision gave me some more room also.

Once I made the decision to bail out, it was all or nothing.  I can't believe I didn't slide full into the guardrail once I hit the gravel and grass.

Thanks again for all the well wishes but please remember our brother here, handyhiker, for a full recovery.  Live and learn guys.



Edited by SongFan 2012-08-27 10:15 AM
Top of the page Bottom of the page
fnvision
Posted 2012-08-27 10:07 AM (#122326 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: RE: I finally went down


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 46
Taylorsville, KY
Glad you're okay and appreciate you sharing your experience; I think you sharing this helps us all by reminding us to stay alert at all times and could possibly save someones life in the future with your wreck embedded in the back of their mind.

Keeping at least a peripheral view in your mirrors at all times is extremely important when riding on public roads, but that is the big problem I have with my vision. I can't tell you how many times cars have gotten hidden from my view due to the handgrips and my hands blocking out that critical part of my mirrors. I've yet to find a convex mirror of the appropriate size and shape to remedy this problem and wish victory would make a replacement mirror with a convex section built in or at least a stick on with a larger size and shape that would fit the odd shaped mirror.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
varyder
Posted 2012-08-27 10:23 AM (#122328 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: Re: I finally went down


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA
tom, can you do a google maps satelite screen shot, or point to the intersection route numbers, from direction of travel to directio of travel? I'd like to see that. We've got some really bad entries and exit ramps, and off short with no merge. Folks like to stop instead of fade in, so its bad to look ahead and behind and position in case of diaster such as you encountered. And yes, people will hit you and keep on going, sadly. I'd like to think my last dying act in such a case would be a few rounds into their tires...
Top of the page Bottom of the page
SongFan
Posted 2012-08-27 11:11 AM (#122334 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: RE: I finally went down


Visionary

Posts: 3204
Memphis

Photobucket

Ok, everything happens from right to left.  I'm coming off of 240 (far right) where the little green 21 exit is.  It's a two lane offramp.  The right lane goes to Cherokee Blvd, the left lane continues towards the cloverleaf (far left).  You can't merge onto the cloverleaf lane until you pass that triangle.  That's where you are scanning for cars that have come through the intersection at Prescott and are going to merge with you.  Once the two lanes merge at the left side of the triangle, you start jockeying for the swapout.  I was right about where the two white arrows are when I saw the white truck coming onto the merge lane from the Cherokee/Prescott intersection.

Photobucket

Here you see the cloverleaf with the guardrail slightly bent back already.  The ramp has been repaved and the guardrail is now bent at about 45 degrees.  The red car left of the cloverleaf is where I was aiming once I departed.

Top of the page Bottom of the page
varyder
Posted 2012-08-27 11:26 AM (#122336 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: Re: I finally went down


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA

I haven't looked at the pictures yet in detail, but my son and wife is at exit 14 on I-40 on their way to Fort Bless, TX. lol. I was helping them find a place to stop when they decided on Wendy's.

Okay, thanks Tom, the situation is so much clearer in my mind.  I can understand the intimidation from overbearing cagers and I've let them pass when I have room, usually I find they were trying to get a closer look at the bike and find myself getting past them when they slow down.  In the exit ramp, however, I don't think that is what was happening.  I think you said the truck did not stop to render assistance, which that is an indicator that he was a Harley rider who was jealous he wasn't riding and you were, on a Victory, no less.  (I'll hear it now I'm sure)  Glad you're okay and you missed any objects in the road.  What did the guy in the red car think when you came at him?  (I know, I'm just trying to be funny)



Edited by varyder 2012-08-27 11:40 AM
Top of the page Bottom of the page
marcparnes
Posted 2012-08-27 11:51 AM (#122339 - in reply to #122326)
Subject: RE: I finally went down


Iron Butt

Posts: 802

fnvision - 2012-08-27 7:07 AM
Keeping at least a peripheral view in your mirrors at all times is extremely important when riding on public roads, but that is the big problem I have with my vision. I can't tell you how many times cars have gotten hidden from my view due to the handgrips and my hands blocking out that critical part of my mirrors. I've yet to find a convex mirror of the appropriate size and shape to remedy this problem and wish victory would make a replacement mirror with a convex section built in or at least a stick on with a larger size and shape that would fit the odd shaped mirror.

This is EXACTLY why I have had regular mirrors mounted on all three Visions so far. It completely eliminates the blind spots. The edge of the mirror's view overlaps with the edge of my peripheral vision. I know they don't look cool but I can't tell you how many times they've saved my ass from some jerk merging into me while texting, etc. If your bike is equipped with predrilled holes please, please give it some thought. The mirrors were something like $30 for the pair and you can cover the original ones, run them both or stick a speaker in there or something else creative. Anyway, just consider it because they actually work.



Marc

Top of the page Bottom of the page
fnvision
Posted 2012-08-27 12:33 PM (#122343 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: Re: I finally went down


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 46
Taylorsville, KY
Marc, what the heck did you fill your mirror sockets with? Whatever it is looks like it was made specifically made for that spot but sure doesn't look homemade!
Top of the page Bottom of the page
marcparnes
Posted 2012-08-27 12:39 PM (#122345 - in reply to #122343)
Subject: Re: I finally went down


Iron Butt

Posts: 802
fnvision - 2012-08-27 9:33 AM

Marc, what the heck did you fill your mirror sockets with? Whatever it is looks like it was made specifically made for that spot but sure doesn't look homemade!
How about the mirror :-) I just had the local upholstery shop cover the mirrors with material that looks exactly like the adjacent plastic. I've used the same pair of covered mirrors on all three bikes.

Marc
Top of the page Bottom of the page
fnvision
Posted 2012-08-27 12:57 PM (#122346 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: Re: I finally went down


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 46
Taylorsville, KY
Haha..I don't think I ever would have guessed thats what you had done. It looks good!
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Cometman
Posted 2012-08-27 1:15 PM (#122348 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: Re: I finally went down


Tourer

Posts: 520
Simi Valley, CA
Wow.... thanks for the insight to how it happened. So glad you are okay. Get back on the road soon!
Top of the page Bottom of the page
pollolittle
Posted 2012-08-27 1:55 PM (#122350 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: Re: I finally went down


Visionary

Posts: 2027
Brighton, TN
You drop the bike off, howz it look? Just like back when we were waiting on the bikes to arrive, do you need tissues. Or, in my case, right after I got it, the wife dropped it into a wall. I needed tissues, and my boy Songfan, was willing to let me use his bike to get rid of some pent up anxiety and get a little fix. Now, I believe it may have to be my turn to offer a little fix while his is in the shop. If you need a fix, give a holler.

However, I don't know if you know this, but they still have a 2008 midnight cherry sitting on the floor. Maybe you just trade up for 0 miles, only if they total it of course.

Speaking of totaling, let them boys know that if it gets totalled, that I'll be swinging by to get the cams, controller, filter, etc., oh yeah, and some of the chrome pieces. Wonder if we could....... Nevermind, gettin a head of myself.

Which way do you lean after it is wrecked, keep it and ride or Sell and buy another one? What would you prefer that they did with it?
Top of the page Bottom of the page
SongFan
Posted 2012-08-27 3:37 PM (#122355 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: RE: I finally went down


Visionary

Posts: 3204
Memphis

Bike had still not been delivered as of 3:00 today. 

My preference at this point would be to just call it totalled and move along.  The Vision is so finicky on geometry and set up that I just can't believe it would be put back together good as new.  Heck, it's the only bike I've ever owned that I can tell when the air in the tires drops 2psi.  That bike was a high watermark in my life but I'm totally ready to let it go under these circumstances.

My second favorite add on (after the turbine tips) was the Clearwater LEDs.  The left one got torn off.  As far as keeping anything for a future project, all I'm keeping is the tips.  Everything else is fair game and between you and Denny if it gets to that point. 

I knew about the red '08 Street they have there but I'm thinking if I start fresh, I'm going ABS.  Might have made a difference in the gravel and grass.  ABS is one of those "button" subjects guys like to push but I'm a huge fan of that technology.  Wasn't offered in '08 so all things considered, I'll take it on my next one.

Top of the page Bottom of the page
pollolittle
Posted 2012-08-27 3:47 PM (#122356 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: Re: I finally went down


Visionary

Posts: 2027
Brighton, TN
Well, if I'm not mistaken, the Cams won't work with any other bike than the 08, but you could take the fuel controller and air filter (I think)! A lot of your LED's could go with you also.

So, if they total it, you get a new VISION with ABS, right. And if they don't total it, you sell and buy another VISION. I like the ABS technology, I have never tried it on Gravel, Sand, and grass. Be interesting to note how well it works. Who wants to test it?

Should we start looking for you a Ness Vision or an Anniversary Edition Vision? Just kidding, would like to go by and see the outcome of the bike and see the carnage. Probably swing by Wednesday afternoon.

In regards to the Clearwater Led's, if you pull the controller for them you could buy other LED units and use that to adjust them. I haven't seen to many adjustable pots' for that job.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
marcparnes
Posted 2012-08-27 3:50 PM (#122357 - in reply to #122356)
Subject: Re: I finally went down


Iron Butt

Posts: 802
pollolittle - 2012-08-27 12:47 PM

Well, if I'm not mistaken, the Cams won't work with any other bike than the 08
That's no problem. Take the cams and the cam carriers and they will work on the newer bikes. That's the way LLoyd was selling them for later bikes before he had the new cams that don't need the earlier cam carriers.

Marc
Top of the page Bottom of the page
SongFan
Posted 2012-08-27 4:12 PM (#122359 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: RE: I finally went down


Visionary

Posts: 3204
Memphis

I know ABS might take a little bit longer on a perfectly dry road but I like to plan for worse case scenarios.

http://www.youtube.com/v/M3MfLcJLaCs

http://www.youtube.com/v/Mk7b2oWQPR0

Po, not sure about the controller working with other LEDs.  I'm sure you could rig it to work.  The Clearwater LED's are high-intensity, made in Sweden, so the components are top notch.  (That's another $475 I'll have Denny add to the estimate.)



Edited by SongFan 2012-08-27 4:17 PM
Top of the page Bottom of the page
cw1115
Posted 2012-08-27 4:44 PM (#122361 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: Re: I finally went down


Visionary

Posts: 1290
Ruskin, Fl
Glad you came out unhurt. The bike can be replaced. I love my '08, but have been thinking up upgrading to a new one with ABS. Motor cops I talk to swear by them. I also wear an EXO-100. Add the SENA SMH-10 with the boom mic and can't convince people you are not public safety.
Some children came to the firehouse for a tour and saw my helmet on the counter and asked in a policeman worked there.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
SpookyEng
Posted 2012-08-27 6:08 PM (#122364 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: RE: I finally went down


Cruiser

Posts: 74
Navarre, FL
Glad you are okay. Good gear and Good skills mean everything in split second situations!
Top of the page Bottom of the page
TRELL
Posted 2012-08-27 6:30 PM (#122368 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: Re: I finally went down


Cruiser

Posts: 232
Good to hear you OK,thing happen in live to many maybe's . I have crashed so many times in my 55yrs of riding don't even think about it anymore.I believe in fatalism.

Edited by TRELL 2012-08-27 6:31 PM
Top of the page Bottom of the page
baadawg
Posted 2012-08-27 6:42 PM (#122370 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: Re: I finally went down


Tourer

Posts: 499
Chattanooga, TN
<p>Tom, I can't tell you how glad I am that you weren't injured or worse. Vision riders wouldn't be the same without you. I can't imagine anyone else filling your shoes here. Motivational posters would seriously suffer! Thanks for all of the posts, info and enlightenment. </p><p>P.S. Don't say you "Finally" went down, as if it were predestined to happen. You were just unfortunate to have that dip-shit driving a pick-up behind you, but fortunate enough to have the skills to survive the situation. </p><p>Again, glad you're safe!</p>

Edited by baadawg 2012-08-27 6:46 PM
Top of the page Bottom of the page
johnnyvision
Posted 2012-08-27 6:48 PM (#122371 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: Re: I finally went down


Visionary

Posts: 4278
SongFan
glade your fine. Take off all the parts you want and call the insurance company. Buy a new one and kiss the old one good by. "Don't buy it back"
If you think the state could improve that part of the high way stat a complaint and see what you can do to make it better for others.
Glade your still here.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
SongFan
Posted 2012-08-28 1:02 PM (#122422 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: RE: I finally went down


Visionary

Posts: 3204
Memphis

Well, Secretariat is totaled.  My mechanic (Denny) called me and said $15,000 in parts and labor to put it back the way it was.  He felt sick about having to deliver that news but I told him I was expecting that and it was better for me in the long run just getting a new one and moving on from there.  I'll sit tight until the insurance company calls back and see what I'm dealing with to move on with.  It's USAA and they've always been very fair with me. 

I'm forced to retire in little over a year so I may just take the money and upgrade the house (new high efficiency windows) instead of taking it out of my retirement later.  By that time the 2014 Vision will be out and I might be first in line for whatever comes out. 

While I was talking to Denny, I mentioned that I knew about the '08 Vision Street they have left over and could really get a smoking deal on it but I wanted to go with ABS next.  He said, "Tom, you just come in here and order what you want and we'll take care of you."

As bad as all of this sounds on the surface, I'm in a pretty good place.  We'll see how it plays out.....

Top of the page Bottom of the page
wingit3611
Posted 2012-08-28 1:57 PM (#122424 - in reply to #122326)
Subject: RE: I finally went down


Cruiser

Posts: 244

fnvision - 2012-08-27 11:07 AM Glad you're okay and appreciate you sharing your experience; I think you sharing this helps us all by reminding us to stay alert at all times and could possibly save someones life in the future with your wreck embedded in the back of their mind. Keeping at least a peripheral view in your mirrors at all times is extremely important when riding on public roads, but that is the big problem I have with my vision. I can't tell you how many times cars have gotten hidden from my view due to the handgrips and my hands blocking out that critical part of my mirrors. I've yet to find a convex mirror of the appropriate size and shape to remedy this problem and wish victory would make a replacement mirror with a convex section built in or at least a stick on with a larger size and shape that would fit the odd shaped mirror.

I'll try to get a picture in of the mirrors I got from Camper World (for R.V.'s) (thier in my pictures). I use the bike mirror for the side vission & the clipped on's on the front panel to see behind me. Works great and also have caught someone sneaking up beside me. Best side vision I've ever had on a bike.





(Mirrors.jpg)



Attachments
----------------
Attachments Mirrors.jpg (55KB - 0 downloads)
Top of the page Bottom of the page
pollolittle
Posted 2012-08-28 2:21 PM (#122426 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: Re: I finally went down


Visionary

Posts: 2027
Brighton, TN
RIP Secretariat! Did you happen to have any colts off of him? I might line up for one of those, a stud colt or a philly! FYI, did you know that Secretariat out weighed the Vision known as "Secretariat!" I think the original Secretariat might have had a stage 14 Cam, and massive Fuel controller!

Well, will you be able to go down and remove the tips. Snake the other LED with controller, point it at the door of your man cave when you retire, and when someone opens the door just crank up the intensity to make them go away without saying a word.

The good news is that is in line with what you were expecting anyway. Is the insurance Carrier Progressive, I know you stated USAA, but they subcontracted mine out to Progressive. Progressive cut a check to them for all the pieces within days. Very happy when I needed it. Didn't have to argue about it.

Top of the page Bottom of the page
varyder
Posted 2012-08-28 2:26 PM (#122427 - in reply to #122236)
Subject: Re: I finally went down


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA
Tom, it's good you roll with the punches. That's really the best attitude to have as you well know. Some times things are just for a season. While I've had a scare with my physical limitations recently, it has worked itself out and I don't see me giving it up anytime soon. The Bentley needs a good going over, but I can't think of anything that would cause me any major problems except the electronics. But I will not worry about it until something happens, then, I'll roll with punches as well. My guess would be is that you'll get "something" as an interim to another Vision...
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Jump to page : 1 2 3 4
Now viewing page 2 [25 messages per page]
Jump to forum :
Search this forum
Printer friendly version
E-mail a link to this thread

Copyright © 2007-2025 Victory Riders Network™