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Prairie City, IA United States | It has been a few months since I installed the Commander II tires. 14K on front and rear. Here is a picture of what the rear looks like. |
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Central Illinois | OK, I give, where is the picture of your rear tire? |
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Prairie City, IA United States | Oldman47 - 2013-09-27 9:39 PM
OK, I give, where is the picture of your rear tire?
Sorry guys, I forgot about the small size picture allowed to post. Thought I had cancelled my post until I can get it shrunk down. Microsoft in their infinite wisdom removed some of the photo editing software in windows 7. |
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Broken Arrow, OK | It doesn't get any easier than this
http://imageresizer.codeplex.com/ |
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Chattanooga, TN | This thread is useless without pics, lol!
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Prairie City, IA United States | Patience Grasshopper. I had to work this morning. Here it is. 14K on the tire so far. A freind of mine is just replacing his on a CCT without the Centramatic wheel balancers with 19K miles. Over 1/2 of his miles are ridden with me so this should be a fair comparison with and without the balancers.
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Sand Rock, AL United States | That's good life. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | That's very good!! |
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Orlando, FL | How do the tires handle? How do they compare to the stock Dunlops? Avons? Etc. |
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Glendale, AZ United States | okie vision - 2013-09-28 7:44 AM
It doesn't get any easier than this
http://imageresizer.codeplex.com/
Tried it and uploaded the app. Wanted to update profile picture. Resized to medium and file too large, followed by small sizing. Guess what, too large. Last, but not least small mobile sizing and guess what, TOO LARGE!!! Custom sizing? What am I missing? I'm not computer nerd (Not that there's anything with being a computer nerd  but I know how to post pictures with the exception of this site. To say that uploading pictures on this site is freaking hassle would be an understatement hence why there are not many fotos posted with posts and why I no longer bother either after today...
For the IT powers that be please take a look into this problem and fix it!! Thanks
Vlad.
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Glendale, AZ United States | After it's all said and done, keep an eye on the tire weight rating also. As you all know the VV weighs just about 900 pounds dry. With my fat ars and trophy spouse (Just in case she's reading what I'm writing and so she doesn't think I called her a fat pig in addition to gear, I'm looking at 1300 pounds plus of serious weight rolling down the interstate. From my standpoint and snooping on occasion on the Goldwing sites same issue arises. Is there really a tire out there truly designed to handle the weight rating of these heavy machines, riders, and gear, not too sure about that. Some folks I know personally will take it a step further and will change out the tire every 18 months irregardless of mileage, which for most of them is around the 20K mark. I too have the centramatics and will see what happens
Check this out, it may surprise some of you, Vlad
http://www.bikebandit.com/sem/dunlop-elite-3-motorcycle-tire
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Sand Rock, AL United States | Vladezip - 2014-05-27 2:57 AM
okie vision - 2013-09-28 7:44 AM
It doesn't get any easier than this
http://imageresizer.codeplex.com/
Tried it and uploaded the app. Wanted to update profile picture. Resized to medium and file too large, followed by small sizing. Guess what, too large. Last, but not least small mobile sizing and guess what, TOO LARGE!!! Custom sizing? What am I missing? I'm not computer nerd (Not that there's anything with being a computer nerd but I know how to post pictures with the exception of this site. To say that uploading pictures on this site is freaking hassle would be an understatement hence why there are not many fotos posted with posts and why I no longer bother either after today...
For the IT powers that be please take a look into this problem and fix it!! Thanks
Vlad.
You should try loading a pic on the Indian site, Makes this look like a piece of cake. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | Since they dont have a tire listed for our scooters, what size did you go with?
http://motorcycle.michelinman.com/tire-selector#s=0
i see on the dunlop website that the stock tires that come on our bike has a load/speed rating of 80H
http://www.dunlopmotorcycle.com/tire-catalog/road/touring/elite-3/
the only commander II tire i saw close to the size we use is a Bias tire.. it had a rating of 81H
LOAD/SPEED rating http://www.webbikeworld.com/Motorcycle-tires/tire-data.htm
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Prairie City, IA United States | 180/65-16 bias ply
Changed the tire out at 19k because we went on a long trip and I didn't want to worry about tires. The front was with 2000 miles of hitting the wear bars. The rear wasn't as bad and probably could have gotten another 3 - 5 k out of it. I looked up the load rating before I used these and I believe they are higher than the stock E3 tire.
Yup, they are bias ply. They aren't the bias ply of the 80's. |
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New Bohemia, VA | jimtom - 2014-05-27 6:37 AM Vladezip - 2014-05-27 2:57 AM okie vision - 2013-09-28 7:44 AM It doesn't get any easier than this http://imageresizer.codeplex.com/ Tried it and uploaded the app. Wanted to update profile picture. Resized to medium and file too large, followed by small sizing. Guess what, too large. Last, but not least small mobile sizing and guess what, TOO LARGE!!! Custom sizing? What am I missing? I'm not computer nerd (Not that there's anything with being a computer nerd but I know how to post pictures with the exception of this site. To say that uploading pictures on this site is freaking hassle would be an understatement hence why there are not many fotos posted with posts and why I no longer bother either after today... For the IT powers that be please take a look into this problem and fix it!! Thanks Vlad. You should try loading a pic on the Indian site, Makes this look like a piece of cake. And why would I want to load a picher on the indian site? And where's my cake? |
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Orlando, FL | Thanks lstayner!! Nice to see your review of the Commander II's. I hate the Dunlops, love my Cobra's, but have been thinking about the Commander's for a while. Still have a few thousand left on my Avons, but next set will be the Commanders.
Bigfoot, guess you ride all stock and all Vic Parts. Otherwise you are taking really big chances! LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL |
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Prairie City, IA United States | MaddMAx2u - 2014-05-28 11:20 AM
Thanks lstayner!! Nice to see your review of the Commander II's. I hate the Dunlops, love my Cobra's, but have been thinking about the Commander's for a while. Still have a few thousand left on my Avons, but next set will be the Commanders.
I recently read on one of my old Vstar 1300 forums that they are running a Metzler on front with the Commander II on the back. Their logic was that the Metzler tire would outlast the Commander front tire. I am going to watch this foe a while and may try it on the next go around. |
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LaGrange, GA | My pops has been a bit underwhelmed with his set on an '08 FXSTC. The rear slides a bit easier than his previous tires (so far the factory HD Dunlop, Avon Cobra, Pirelli Night Dragon, Cobra again, now the Commander II.) It doesn't look like he's going to get much better mileage out of it than the others, either. It kind of puts me back on the fence, as he and I have similarly aggressive riding styles (relatively speaking, of course.) It at least leaves me with a bit of fear. For me as a non-highway rider grip is paramount, then balance, noise, resistance to cupping/mileage is last. My ME880s are cupping like crazy, especially the front. It's starting to make the grip and feel of the tire fade. I don't ride the distances you guys do, so I don't guess I have the same needs. I think I may try the Avons next instead of the Commanders. |
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Prairie City, IA United States | BrandonM7 - 2014-05-28 1:51 PM
My pops has been a bit underwhelmed with his set on an '08 FXSTC. The rear slides a bit easier than his previous tires (so far the factory HD Dunlop, Avon Cobra, Pirelli Night Dragon, Cobra again, now the Commander II.) It doesn't look like he's going to get much better mileage out of it than the others, either. It kind of puts me back on the fence, as he and I have similarly aggressive riding styles (relatively speaking, of course.) It at least leaves me with a bit of fear. For me as a non-highway rider grip is paramount, then balance, noise, resistance to cupping/mileage is last. My ME880s are cupping like crazy, especially the front. It's starting to make the grip and feel of the tire fade. I don't ride the distances you guys do, so I don't guess I have the same needs. I think I may try the Avons next instead of the Commanders.
I think I can be about as aggressive rider as most experienced riders. Not to many riders keep up with me in the twisties. Living in central Iowa means I get to ride a ways to find some fun roads.
What kind of roads are you running? Oil roads with pea gravel tend to eat tires faster than concrete or asphalt roads.
What tire pressure are you running? Low pressure will wear a tire out just as fast.
I have experimented with Bridgestone (1300 & Goldwing), Avon Cobra (on 1300), Avon Venom (front on 1300 & Vision) Dunlop E3 (on V Star 1300, Goldwing and Vision). In my experience, the Commander handles as well if not better than most of the tires I have listed. I will say it hates a fresh Arkansas pea rock oil road that is wet but I am not sure any tire would be fun in those conditions |
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LaGrange, GA | lstayner - 2014-05-28 3:32 PM
BrandonM7 - 2014-05-28 1:51 PM
My pops has been a bit underwhelmed with his set on an '08 FXSTC. The rear slides a bit easier than his previous tires (so far the factory HD Dunlop, Avon Cobra, Pirelli Night Dragon, Cobra again, now the Commander II.) It doesn't look like he's going to get much better mileage out of it than the others, either. It kind of puts me back on the fence, as he and I have similarly aggressive riding styles (relatively speaking, of course.) It at least leaves me with a bit of fear. For me as a non-highway rider grip is paramount, then balance, noise, resistance to cupping/mileage is last. My ME880s are cupping like crazy, especially the front. It's starting to make the grip and feel of the tire fade. I don't ride the distances you guys do, so I don't guess I have the same needs. I think I may try the Avons next instead of the Commanders.
I think I can be about as aggressive rider as most experienced riders. Not to many riders keep up with me in the twisties. Living in central Iowa means I get to ride a ways to find some fun roads.
What kind of roads are you running? Oil roads with pea gravel tend to eat tires faster than concrete or asphalt roads.
What tire pressure are you running? Low pressure will wear a tire out just as fast.
I have experimented with Bridgestone (1300 & Goldwing), Avon Cobra (on 1300), Avon Venom (front on 1300 & Vision) Dunlop E3 (on V Star 1300, Goldwing and Vision). In my experience, the Commander handles as well if not better than most of the tires I have listed. I will say it hates a fresh Arkansas pea rock oil road that is wet but I am not sure any tire would be fun in those conditions
That's cool, thanks again - I didn't mean to overstate my abilities or offend. This is just my first bike with my ass lower than my hands. I'm used to dragging knees, so I found the floorboards of the Vision on my test ride of the demo model from the tour truck. I don't think my cornering really causes that much wear. It's my abrupt starting and stopping -- and lots of starting and stopping, at that. You're putting 25k+ miles per year on a bike, you probably aren't starting and stopping as often as a low-mileage short distance rider like myself. That's my guess from the stepping of my front tire - I stop too hard and too often. I guess that would actually be a positive case for the commander - hard in the center would resist the cupping from start/stop riding as much as it would highway miles, while still being good in the corners. Dad actually said the cornering grip of the C2 is good, it's just the straight up starting and stopping that is less. Dual compound tire, that stands to reason. And most of what he's griped about is dragging the rear wheel on braking and down-shifting, which is even less likely on the Vision with a couple of hundred more pounds holding it down. I'm starting to learn to use the rear brake, but 30+ years of habit is hard to shed.
Most roads here are fairly new asphalt - it's pretty rare that I go on a road that's a tire grinder, but there are a few around. I keep my pressures up well, been riding bikes where it was much more important for most of my life. The environment is pretty good for tires aside from the heat in summer that can cause excessive wear.
If you feel that the cornering grip of the C2 is as good as the others I might be back on board. Still iffy, but maybe. I guess I'm thinking it might be better than something super grippy when straight up. |
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Victoria Tx, TX United States | So if I read correctly?? Commanders have a positive approval over E3's?? Im starting to look around. Dunlop, Michelin, Metz. |
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Prairie City, IA United States | BrandonM7 - 2014-05-28 4:03 PM
lstayner - 2014-05-28 3:32 PM
BrandonM7 - 2014-05-28 1:51 PM
My pops has been a bit underwhelmed with his set on an '08 FXSTC. The rear slides a bit easier than his previous tires (so far the factory HD Dunlop, Avon Cobra, Pirelli Night Dragon, Cobra again, now the Commander II.) It doesn't look like he's going to get much better mileage out of it than the others, either. It kind of puts me back on the fence, as he and I have similarly aggressive riding styles (relatively speaking, of course.) It at least leaves me with a bit of fear. For me as a non-highway rider grip is paramount, then balance, noise, resistance to cupping/mileage is last. My ME880s are cupping like crazy, especially the front. It's starting to make the grip and feel of the tire fade. I don't ride the distances you guys do, so I don't guess I have the same needs. I think I may try the Avons next instead of the Commanders.
I think I can be about as aggressive rider as most experienced riders. Not to many riders keep up with me in the twisties. Living in central Iowa means I get to ride a ways to find some fun roads.
What kind of roads are you running? Oil roads with pea gravel tend to eat tires faster than concrete or asphalt roads.
What tire pressure are you running? Low pressure will wear a tire out just as fast.
I have experimented with Bridgestone (1300 & Goldwing), Avon Cobra (on 1300), Avon Venom (front on 1300 & Vision) Dunlop E3 (on V Star 1300, Goldwing and Vision). In my experience, the Commander handles as well if not better than most of the tires I have listed. I will say it hates a fresh Arkansas pea rock oil road that is wet but I am not sure any tire would be fun in those conditions
That's cool, thanks again - I didn't mean to overstate my abilities or offend. This is just my first bike with my ass lower than my hands. I'm used to dragging knees, so I found the floorboards of the Vision on my test ride of the demo model from the tour truck. I don't think my cornering really causes that much wear. It's my abrupt starting and stopping -- and lots of starting and stopping, at that. You're putting 25k+ miles per year on a bike, you probably aren't starting and stopping as often as a low-mileage short distance rider like myself. That's my guess from the stepping of my front tire - I stop too hard and too often. I guess that would actually be a positive case for the commander - hard in the center would resist the cupping from start/stop riding as much as it would highway miles, while still being good in the corners. Dad actually said the cornering grip of the C2 is good, it's just the straight up starting and stopping that is less. Dual compound tire, that stands to reason. And most of what he's griped about is dragging the rear wheel on braking and down-shifting, which is even less likely on the Vision with a couple of hundred more pounds holding it down. I'm starting to learn to use the rear brake, but 30+ years of habit is hard to shed.
Most roads here are fairly new asphalt - it's pretty rare that I go on a road that's a tire grinder, but there are a few around. I keep my pressures up well, been riding bikes where it was much more important for most of my life. The environment is pretty good for tires aside from the heat in summer that can cause excessive wear.
If you feel that the cornering grip of the C2 is as good as the others I might be back on board. Still iffy, but maybe. I guess I'm thinking it might be better than something super grippy when straight up.
No offense was taken. I try to be as straight forward as possible without being obnoxious. I do 25k miles a year too. That is one reason I went with the commanders. I figure my tires are going to last almost a season so if I try something new I won't be putting up with them for a few years like some riders who are less fortunate to ride as far as we do. |
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Prairie City, IA United States | el spanky - 2014-05-28 7:55 PM
So if I read correctly?? Commanders have a positive approval over E3's?? Im starting to look around. Dunlop, Michelin, Metz.
I was a huge fan of the E3 until the commander came out. I was an early adapter and am on my 3rd rear commander. The thing I dislike about the E3 is the side cupping that occurs about mid way through the tire life. You sound like a truck with snow tires. |
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