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Iron Butt
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Peachtree City, GA | Just finished the install yesterday and then road home... Still need to install the Autotune modules and then start playing... More to come in a few weeks.
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Iron Butt
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| Sorry for the confusion. "... Mine has been running very poorly in cold weather ....". "Mine" should have been "My California 2008/Original VFC3 combo". I have been considering trying the Power Commander. I have one of the original VFC3's which was never tested on California Emissions bikes. Since I bought the original VFC3, the software on the newer ones changed at least once. My bike has been inconsistent lately. Runs pretty good in hot weather, bad in cold weather. Early year trips were a mixture of wide ambient temperature sweeps including altitude changes. The bike didn't like the transitions of temperature and altitude.
Edited by TimS 2010-06-14 3:14 PM
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Iron Butt
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| There is ice and snow in the mountains. I will ride in 30 degree weather. It isn't like Wisconsin when we had -27 degree weather and no way to escape it.
Edited by TimS 2010-06-14 3:18 PM
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Iron Butt
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| Webhair - 2010-06-14 11:56 AM Just finished the install yesterday and then road home... Still need to install the Autotune modules and then start playing... More to come in a few weeks. What performance mods have you done to your bike ? - High flow air filter?
- Airbox mod?
- Removal of the rubber intake flange?
- Pipes?
- Cams?
- Bagger NOS, [Turbo|Super]Chargers =) ?
- Other?
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Tourer
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Albuquerque, NM | What is the cost of the PCV with the Autotune module? Followed a link on another post but didn't see the price breakdown. |
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Tourer
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Albuquerque, NM | Emailed the vendor and got the following response:
The PC-V is $299.00 + 12.95 2-3 day shipping and the AT-100 is $299.00 For more info you can contact us at 877-729-4754 |
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Tourer
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Atlanta Area | Webhair has the S1L1 pipes, stage 1 air filter, Lloydz intake, VM-1 cams and PC-V. KevinX has started leaving the rubber snorkel on the bike. His direct testing resulted in a 3ft/lb loss in torque and a 1hp increase by pulling the snorkel...
I have the same basic setup as Webhair but with the Atom Bombs. We should both be getting our auto tune modules later this week.... |
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Iron Butt
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Peachtree City, GA | Auto Tune modules are in... So far, I am impress with that I am seeing... Put about 400 miles on over the weekend. Accepted the trim levels once half way through the weekend... Need to accept them again tonight to see what the differences are this round...
Another difference between 1atom12's and mine is his is running the stock flash and mine is running the Stage I flash.
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Iron Butt
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Reno County, KS | How do you perceive your fuel burning? Do any of you with PCV/Auto Tune suspect a rich or lean condition? I personally am having hell trying to fine tune out the plume of black exhaust that I get everytime I roll on the throttle. |
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Iron Butt
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Reno County, KS | Oh yeah, and ALSO: Has anyone here installed one of these on an 08 Vision? Last year when they were listing them they said it might work but they were not designed to work with 08. I only see 09 and 10 listed still. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | i DO have a PCV installed on my 2008 victory vision tour... i have NO issues at all with it.. plug and play and works great! i do NOT have at this time the auto tune.. right now with my setup (s1l1, lloyd intake ) i dont feel the need for it. btw i am using the map designed for the s1l1 with the ness intake. All i did was install the pcv and download and install that map and ride.. it starts and rides way better then the s1l1 map which BTW is still installed on the bike.. my mpg is very good and running the bike on a cold start is very nice.. no surging... the maps are designed for the stock victory map, but after talking with the dynojet people they told me the victory s1l1 map is barely anything over stock anyways as the victory maps have to meet EPA regs.... so i just left the s1l1 in the vision. |
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Iron Butt
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Peachtree City, GA | It is hard to tell yet... With the Auto Tune modules you set what you want the Air to Fuel Ratios to be for the given RPM (250 RPM increments) at a percentage of throttle.
With that said I have mine set to 13.9 in the cruise range (2500-3500) from 5% to 20% throttle. Now I am letting the Autp Tune adjust the fuel maps to meet the target AFR's for each cylinder... It will take a little time for it learn and I need more time to go ride...
I did see some black smoke out of 1atom12's one evening - it was when he hit the rev-limiter.
Oh - I forgot to mention... The PCV also has a Rev-Extend feature that will allow you to raise the rev-limiter to 6000.
Yes - it does work and you can get there fast with the VM1 cams...
As for the setup working on an 08, I am not sure... It is my understanding that Power Command did not test it on an 08 - only on the 09's and 10's. But I did not hear that from PC so I really do not know.
Edited by Webhair 2010-06-22 1:12 PM
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | bigwill5150 - 2010-06-21 1:12 PM
How do you perceive your fuel burning? Do any of you with PCV/Auto Tune suspect a rich or lean condition? I personally am having hell trying to fine tune out the plume of black exhaust that I get everytime I roll on the throttle.
That black plume is pretty much gonna be there if you want mx HP. A Vic making real power needs to run AF in the very low 13's on WOT |
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Tourer
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East TN | OK, so I have the KevinX treatment on my Vision...Cams, VFC3 and intake plate (back in December '09)...I do experience surging when my Vision is cold, I have back firing, sometimes, a little hesitation on take offs...And occasionally stalls when not warmed up... Would the PC-V and auto-tune help with any of these issues??? Especially the stupid backfiring!!! I haven't installed the IAC yet, but I do have one to help try an eliminate the backfiring...
Edited by joe schmoe 2010-06-23 6:40 AM
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | joe schmoe - 2010-06-23 7:39 AM
OK, so I have the KevinX treatment on my Vision...Cams, VFC3 and intake plate (back in December '09)...I do experience surging when my Vision is cold, I have back firing, sometimes, a little hesitation on take offs...And occasionally stalls when not warmed up... ?Would the PC-V and auto-tune help with any of these issues??? Especially the stupid backfiring!!! I haven't installed the IAC yet, but I do have one to help try an eliminate the backfiring...
In a word NO |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Kevin will a complete remapping with dyno tuning get rid of the backfiring ?? |
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Iron Butt
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Peachtree City, GA | I am pretty much convinced you can not get rid of all of the backfiring... With that said, I just turn up the radio and go ride.
The first ride after installing the PCV - it was popping bad. After it warmed up and then later after installing the Auto Tune modules it did get better - BUT - it is still there occaionally...
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East TN | Webhair - 2010-06-25 8:08 AM I am pretty much convinced you can not get rid of all of the backfiring... With that said, I just turn up the radio and go ride. The first ride after installing the PCV - it was popping bad. After it warmed up and then later after installing the Auto Tune modules it did get better - BUT - it is still there occaionally...
What about the cold (engine temperature) surging??? Seems like mine (surging issue) is getting worse the more miles i put on her!
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Woodland Hills, CA | I have S1L1 pipes and mapping, performance air filter and the Kevinx treatment with cams, VFC, etc. The bike runs great, is fast with strong acceleration, and great mileage (all much better than in stock configuration). The backfiring I had with the S1L1 kit was almost completely eliminated after Kevinx was done, and seems to just get better the more I ride (as does the performance and mileage). Admittedly, there is still an occasional pop here and there, but mostly only in cold weather. But the bike otherwise seems to be preforming great.
I am always interested in improvements, and have been looking at the PCV for a while, but at this point I would want a lot more info before I even considered changing my current set up. Years of riding modified Harleys left me with the experience that the more work I do to modify a bike, the more trouble I seem to have. Of course, we all have our own takes on this, and I am sure others have very different experiences.
The only thing I know for sure is that I am no expert, so I rely on guys like Kevinx who know much more than me. When, and if, those experts recommend the PCV for improved performance, including mileage, I will consider taking the leap. Until then I subscribe to the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" theory. |
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| Let me start by saying, "I am no means a motorcycle expert"......BUT, as with cars & trucks, there is "always" more left on the table by manufactures and the maps we get for these vehicles are generic at best with a stock vehicle. If anyone can see the cells in the table when a vehicle is being programmed, they can actually SEE how much is left and/or screwed up by the manufacture. I have seen this with my truck, my z06 and I know my vision stock program is waaaaaay too lean. A dyno with a commander and/or other computer module that can be modified manually or with a power commander is worth their weight in gold. By far, Lloydz vf3 and/or a power commander is a MUST for every vehicle (only motorcycles in this conversation). In my opinion, there is NO way that a well trained dyno person WITH a well trained power commander technician can be beat out of the best possible results for your bike. That is the Bar to reach. I HOPE that the new Autotune is a major step forward with positive results as this will weed out the dyno people who are basically $12 per hour hires by a motorcycle company that really does not know much or should know a lot more but still charges the consumer 150 + per hour for a dyno that is basically worthless. I religiously watch and admire the knowledgeable posts of Kevinx, Lloyd and others to direct us with their experitise in lieu of ALL of our opinions.
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Iron Butt
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Peachtree City, GA | joe schmoe - 2010-06-25 12:25 PM
Webhair - 2010-06-25 8:08 AM I am pretty much convinced you can not get rid of all of the backfiring... With that said, I just turn up the radio and go ride. The first ride after installing the PCV - it was popping bad. After it warmed up and then later after installing the Auto Tune modules it did get better - BUT - it is still there occaionally...
What about the cold (engine temperature) surging??? Seems like mine (surging issue)?is getting worse the more miles i put on her!
I have not really noticed it. But now that you have brought it up I will pay attention for it and let you know.
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Visionary
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Pittsburgh, PA | i hope the PC5 has a feature where you can set the (first 60 seconds OR MORE) to be more rich of a mixture.. |
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Cruiser
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AZ | Hello,
New owner here. Based on this thread I purchased a PCV and Auto Tune from Fuel Moto for my 09 Vision. It arrived yesterday. This thread stated others ordered the AT100 but I was sent the AT200. Fuel Moto is aware it was for a 09 Vision as that is what my PCV is labeled and how my invoice is labeled.
So my question...do I need one O2 sensor (AT200) or two O2 sensors (AT100).
thanks in advance
Edited by RCS 2010-06-26 1:17 PM
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Tourer
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Atlanta Area | You need the AT-100. It comes with two modules and O2 sensors. The only change you need to make is cut off the factory Harley power connector and splice into a switched 12v source...
If you go to DynoJet's website, you can clearly see they list the AT-100 with the Vision PC5.
There are several people (including myself) running the AT-100 setup and it works flawlessly...
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Tourer
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Atlanta Area | Arkainzeye - 2010-06-26 8:50 AM i hope the PC5 has a feature where you can set the (first 60 seconds OR MORE) to be more rich of a mixture.. You can set this time in the software. It defaults to 60 seconds, but you can set it for whatever you want....
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Power Commander V and Autotune
