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aaronrkelly
Posted 2010-07-10 10:59 PM (#64257 - in reply to #64138)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk Headlamp Modulators


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Teach - 2010-07-09 8:06 AM

Ok my 2 cents. I've heard just about every EXCUSE in the book as to why one wouldn't run a headlite modulator. I've run the Kisan and others for some 15 years and wouldn't be without it by choice, BUT you do need to know when to shut it off.
Headlite modulators are legal in ALL 50 states, the Fed law supercedes any local or state as they relate to modulators. Brake lite modulators are NOT legal anywhere.
Modulators do not mimmic emergency vehicles whose lites FLASH.
I've only ever had ONE vehicle move over in all the years because she thought I was an emergency vehicle.
Proof of increased safety? Can't count the times a cage was about to pull out without looking and all of the sudden they stab the brakes hard. Had folks turn around and chase me down to let me know my lite is blinking. I have NOT had a single cage pull out in front of me, not one, while running the modulator in some 15 years, thats proof enough for me.
There are some don'ts like not using it on interstate (trucks think you are flashing them over), or in a bike pack.
So use whatever EXCUSE you want for not making yourself visible, but don't complin when that cage crosses your path because they REALLY didn't see you.
Just my thoughts.......


Ive had the same experiences regarding cars.....and despite that I ride with people that still wont get a headlight modulator. The funny thing is when we ride in a group they put me up front so we are seen.....I guess maybe safety devices arent "hardcore" of an accessory enough for "real bikers".

At any rate tail light modulators ARE legal in California. In fact a few manufacturers make specific California legal models.

Deceleration Warning Lights
(c) Any stoplamp or supplemental stoplamp required or permitted by Section 24603 may be equipped so as to flash not more than four times within the first four seconds after actuation by application of the brakes.
Amended Ch. 410, Stats. 1983. Effective January 1, 1984.

To the best of my knowledge they are not legal anywhere else.
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varyder
Posted 2010-07-10 11:54 PM (#64260 - in reply to #64147)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk Headlamp Modulators


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New Bohemia, VA
Prostreet1 - 2010-07-09 10:15 AM

Teach - 2010-07-09 9:06 AM

Ok my 2 cents. I've heard just about every EXCUSE in the book as to why one wouldn't run a headlite modulator. I've run the Kisan and others for some 15 years and wouldn't be without it by choice, BUT you do need to know when to shut it off.
Headlite modulators are legal in ALL 50 states, the Fed law supercedes any local or state as they relate to modulators. Brake lite modulators are NOT legal anywhere.
Modulators do not mimmic emergency vehicles whose lites FLASH.
I've only ever had ONE vehicle move over in all the years because she thought I was an emergency vehicle.
Proof of increased safety? Can't count the times a cage was about to pull out without looking and all of the sudden they stab the brakes hard. Had folks turn around and chase me down to let me know my lite is blinking. I have NOT had a single cage pull out in front of me, not one, while running the modulator in some 15 years, thats proof enough for me.
There are some don'ts like not using it on interstate (trucks think you are flashing them over), or in a bike pack.
So use whatever EXCUSE you want for not making yourself visible, but don't complin when that cage crosses your path because they REALLY didn't see you.
Just my thoughts.......


Well said Teach....couldn't agree more...I will never understand those that choose to bash others and their ideas just because they don't agree with them. I always thought that was the idea behind having these types of forums so that we ALL could share ideas with each other without having to constantly defend them?? Oh well to each his own I guess. Ride safe....live long.


I can be the worlds worse in bashing, but I think disagreeing is not necessarily bashing. The experiences I've had with modulators, from a cage and a rider perspective is they are annoying and distracting to me. While I'm focused on the flashing light and trying to discern what it is I have taken my focus away from other threats or situations. Sure, I need to learn more how to focus, blah, blah, blah. But the real defense is a good offense. I've had less "encounters" since I've takin' my advise and be more attentive to the anticipation of ignorant people and I have found my riding much more enjoyable. Out of the 4,400 miles I've traversed so far I came across two modulators and they were on long stretches of highway. I wanted so bad to be like a bug to a light just to get them to turn the annoyance off. I forced myself to ignore it but as it is intended to do, it kept drawing me back. Fortunetely no deer or other creature were lurking in the woods ready to dart out, but then again I was perfectly safe becaue of the modulator. And by the way, out of the 4,400 miles in many different environments I have had ZERO close calls, though I did stare down an idiot that was taking to long to move back into his lane after passing, and yes I know he saw me and I think he was trying to "play chicken" with me.

Okay, again, my opinion, and my opinion only, and since there is an on/off switch, please use it sparingly.

Edited by varyder 2010-07-10 11:58 PM
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aaronrkelly
Posted 2010-07-11 12:32 AM (#64263 - in reply to #64260)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk Headlamp Modulators


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varyder - 2010-07-10 11:54 PM



I can be the worlds worse in bashing, but I think disagreeing is not necessarily bashing. The experiences I've had with modulators, from a cage and a rider perspective is they are annoying and distracting to me. While I'm focused on the flashing light and trying to discern what it is I have taken my focus away from other threats or situations. Sure, I need to learn more how to focus, blah, blah, blah. But the real defense is a good offense. I've had less "encounters" since I've takin' my advise and be more attentive to the anticipation of ignorant people and I have found my riding much more enjoyable. Out of the 4,400 miles I've traversed so far I came across two modulators and they were on long stretches of highway. I wanted so bad to be like a bug to a light just to get them to turn the annoyance off. I forced myself to ignore it but as it is intended to do, it kept drawing me back. Fortunetely no deer or other creature were lurking in the woods ready to dart out, but then again I was perfectly safe becaue of the modulator. And by the way, out of the 4,400 miles in many different environments I have had ZERO close calls, though I did stare down an idiot that was taking to long to move back into his lane after passing, and yes I know he saw me and I think he was trying to "play chicken" with me.

Okay, again, my opinion, and my opinion only, and since there is an on/off switch, please use it sparingly.


I wonder if its age, driving experience, how we were taught or what the difference is but I wonder why you are "drawn to" the modulator or have trouble with it while I have none. I see them all the time and dont have the same problems - perhaps its because Im around them more.

I see them quite often in my area...well actually alot of areas and states. I usually take 2 motorcycle trips a month that put me on the road for 500+ mile days (or longer if need be....but try to make them few and far between). So Ive been thru alot of states.....I see modulators everywhere....but then again in an environment where these guys are riders....not putting around town on a sunny day.

With 4400 miles you havent seen much......give it a few and add another zero there on the end. Ride out of your area.....out of your safety zone where you dont know the roads and what to expect the drivers to do.....you may (or may not) see the purpose.

I just got back from a ride thru Missouri, Oklahoma and Arkansas (then back to Iowa) Thursday, Friday and Saturday. I encountered modulators in every state. I also saw tons of Goldwings and Harleys.....but not a single Vision. I saw FAR more Goldwings then HDs.....but I really expected to see a few Visions. Ive only owned mine for 3 months and 17K miles so I guess Ive only been "looking" for them in that amount of time but they are fairly rare.
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varyder
Posted 2010-07-11 1:00 AM (#64264 - in reply to #63146)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk Headlamp Modulators


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New Bohemia, VA
could be, I don't know. I've turned over 75,000 in a little more than 2 1/2 years on my Vision this morning and I'm on a return trip from VA to CA. Been through WV, IN, IL, MS, KS, CO, AZ and of course CA. I've visited family over the last couple days so I've only logged about 1,000 up to this point and have 2,000 in front me. The modulators I saw was through US 160 close to the Grand Canyon. For some reason, I've not seen a lot of bikes except around the parks, but I did see plenty today coming across RT50 in Nevada. None had modulators, but I guess out here there is not a need. I ride around VA all the time, everyday, and rarely do I see a modulator flashing. I'm in UT getting ready to I-70 back east. I really have no arguement, I'm stating my opinion, if it makes you feel safer, ride on!

Edited by varyder 2010-07-11 1:05 AM
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glighto11
Posted 2010-07-14 3:06 PM (#64542 - in reply to #63146)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk Headlamp Modulators


Iron Butt

Posts: 741
Central New York
Well I just installed one. After running it a few weeks I'll comment on my opinion. First I need to grow some new skin on my knuckles. I have to agree with those that commented in the headlight thread about laying the bike on the tip overs to access the headlight connectors/bulbs. Tried in on the side stand and up on a frame lift. Best I could do is tap one finger on the connector. Dropped it on the tip overs and I could easily grab the connector. Still lost some skin getting the connector off. Guess that's the price of admission.
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hoosiervic
Posted 2010-07-14 3:44 PM (#64544 - in reply to #64263)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk Headlamp Modulators


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aaronrkelly - 2010-07-11 12:32 AM

varyder - 2010-07-10 11:54 PM



I can be the worlds worse in bashing, but I think disagreeing is not necessarily bashing. The experiences I've had with modulators, from a cage and a rider perspective is they are annoying and distracting to me. While I'm focused on the flashing light and trying to discern what it is I have taken my focus away from other threats or situations. Sure, I need to learn more how to focus, blah, blah, blah. But the real defense is a good offense. I've had less "encounters" since I've takin' my advise and be more attentive to the anticipation of ignorant people and I have found my riding much more enjoyable. Out of the 4,400 miles I've traversed so far I came across two modulators and they were on long stretches of highway. I wanted so bad to be like a bug to a light just to get them to turn the annoyance off. I forced myself to ignore it but as it is intended to do, it kept drawing me back. Fortunetely no deer or other creature were lurking in the woods ready to dart out, but then again I was perfectly safe becaue of the modulator. And by the way, out of the 4,400 miles in many different environments I have had ZERO close calls, though I did stare down an idiot that was taking to long to move back into his lane after passing, and yes I know he saw me and I think he was trying to "play chicken" with me.

Okay, again, my opinion, and my opinion only, and since there is an on/off switch, please use it sparingly.


I wonder if its age, driving experience, how we were taught or what the difference is but I wonder why you are "drawn to" the modulator or have trouble with it while I have none. I see them all the time and dont have the same problems - perhaps its because Im around them more.

I see them quite often in my area...well actually alot of areas and states. I usually take 2 motorcycle trips a month that put me on the road for 500+ mile days (or longer if need be....but try to make them few and far between). So Ive been thru alot of states.....I see modulators everywhere....but then again in an environment where these guys are riders....not putting around town on a sunny day.

With 4400 miles you havent seen much......give it a few and add another zero there on the end. Ride out of your area.....out of your safety zone where you dont know the roads and what to expect the drivers to do.....you may (or may not) see the purpose.

I just got back from a ride thru Missouri, Oklahoma and Arkansas (then back to Iowa) Thursday, Friday and Saturday. I encountered modulators in every state. I also saw tons of Goldwings and Harleys.....but not a single Vision. I saw FAR more Goldwings then HDs.....but I really expected to see a few Visions. Ive only owned mine for 3 months and 17K miles so I guess Ive only been "looking" for them in that amount of time but they are fairly rare.


Mr Kelly, not to remark any further regarding the pros and cons of headlight modulators up front, I will take a moment to defend VARIDER regarding your comment implying that he may need a few more miles before he offers his advise to this subject. If you will take the time to research this forum you will find that VA' is one of if not possibly the most experienced Vision rider on this forum. When he referred to 4400 miles he was referring to the amount of riding he has done on his current trip of less than two weeks. He's got a whole lot more riding experiences than you are giving him credit for.

I'm sure you as well have substantial riding miles under your belt, but make sure you understand who you are talking to or about before you make such comments, please.

And regarding the your justification for modulators, please keep in mind that talking to motorcyclists about the merits is like preaching to the choir. Remember that 90% of the driving public that don't ride motorcycles have no idea why your light is blinking. For at least a percentage them that spells confusion when they encounter one. Even if its only a small percentage, I hate to think that somebody driving a car in my vicinity is confused because of me.

By the way I have had one on my other bike for about six years, I've experienced the occasional unusual reaction by other vehicles as I approached more than once.
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aaronrkelly
Posted 2010-07-14 4:40 PM (#64545 - in reply to #64544)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk Headlamp Modulators


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hoosiervic - 2010-07-14 3:44 PM


Mr Kelly, not to remark any further regarding the pros and cons of headlight modulators up front, I will take a moment to defend VARIDER regarding your comment implying that he may need a few more miles before he offers his advise to this subject. If you will take the time to research this forum you will find that VA' is one of if not possibly the most experienced Vision rider on this forum. When he referred to 4400 miles he was referring to the amount of riding he has done on his current trip of less than two weeks. He's got a whole lot more riding experiences than you are giving him credit for.

I'm sure you as well have substantial riding miles under your belt, but make sure you understand who you are talking to or about before you make such comments, please.

And regarding the your justification for modulators, please keep in mind that talking to motorcyclists about the merits is like preaching to the choir. Remember that 90% of the driving public that don't ride motorcycles have no idea why your light is blinking. For at least a percentage them that spells confusion when they encounter one. Even if its only a small percentage, I hate to think that somebody driving a car in my vicinity is confused because of me.

By the way I have had one on my other bike for about six years, I've experienced the occasional unusual reaction by other vehicles as I approached more than once.


He said 4400 miles.....I took it at face value. I dont make it a point to click and research everyones posting history before I make every single post. Waste of time. I dont discredit his riding experience.

Ive also experience an occasional unusual reaction, Im not going to say that doesnt happen. So far none of them have been harmful or threatening.....only the once or twice a year "pull off the road" or the head out window "hey your headlight is broken". My favorite was a State Trooper that pulled off the road for me....I got a kick out of that.

Ive never heard or experienced anyone fixate on the light and come across the line.......in fact I experience the opposite daily. Most will slow down and move away from the center line, giving me more room.
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varyder
Posted 2010-07-14 5:24 PM (#64554 - in reply to #63146)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk Headlamp Modulators


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New Bohemia, VA
AK, no problem for me, I think my focus is not to stick gadgets all over my bike to be seen, but to try to ride in anticipation of what some idiot will do without thinking. Logic dictates too me that no matter what you will do to be notice, someone will not notice you. I have many case in points, like, why do police cars and other emergency vehicles get hit, clearly visible for a good distance with flashing lights and so on going on? Because people do not pay attention. Also, there are laws for automated billboards to display long enough so as not to distract the driver. Anytime there is a disturbance in the landscape the attention is natual to see what it is, taking attention away from the task at hand. That is how I feel about modulators, and there has never been one arguement compelling me enough to put one on my bike, yet I feel I would be more of annoyance than trying to be noticed so as not to get hit. The one significant close call that I have had , a modulator would never been a help as the car was approaching me perpendicular and did not see the red light, nor two lines of cars at that light when she speed through the free lane.

Modulators are not for wide open pasture, but areas of crossing traffic that might pull into your path, I think. When folks tell me that I might get killed on this thing, I remind them I could slip in the bathtub, or fall off the roof while cleaning the gutters, as people die that way every day too. The real sad part of all of this is that when I read about a motorcyclist getting killed it is usually because of their speed, riding under the influence, inexperienced, unfamiliar with the machine, unexpected conditions, or a road hazard. Very rarely, though it is the most publisized, do I read about a cager running over a bike because they were not seen, just as sad though. It demands of everyone who drives the public roads to PAY ATTENTION, and if I have to pay attention a little more to enjoy riding, so be it.

As I saw on a bill board in the west "BORN TO BE WILD...NOT CRAZY" Ride Aware! Says it all for me.

Edited by varyder 2010-07-14 5:36 PM
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aaronrkelly
Posted 2010-07-14 8:34 PM (#64561 - in reply to #64554)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk Headlamp Modulators


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Moravia, IA
varyder - 2010-07-14 5:24 PM

AK, no problem for me, I think my focus is not to stick gadgets all over my bike to be seen, but to try to ride in anticipation of what some idiot will do without thinking. Logic dictates too me that no matter what you will do to be notice, someone will not notice you. I have many case in points, like, why do police cars and other emergency vehicles get hit, clearly visible for a good distance with flashing lights and so on going on? Because people do not pay attention.


I agree with what your saying....this isnt a fix all. Its just another tool that alot of people use. Ive seen plenty of videos of cop cars getting creamed fully lit....it happens. Im just saying I think it reduces my odds......and Im all about reducing the odds.
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radioteacher
Posted 2010-07-15 10:50 AM (#64587 - in reply to #63146)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk Headlamp Modulators


Visionary

Posts: 3006
San Antonio, TX
I ride with low beams and the HID on.

When I observe someone that might violate my lane, I turn on the high beams and leave them on until I pass them. Driveways and intersections are the most common places that I do this. Doing this has stopped many a cage from violating my lane.

Lately, I have had a few drivers that would make a left turn from my left to travel in the same direction that I am going. This area has a center turn lane. I can not tell if they have seen me so I get on the defensive. Before they pull out I turn on the highs, check to the rear to make sure I won't get run over if I stop, cover the brakes and/or slow down.

I had one accelerate in this center turn lane, illegally, going in my direction ahead of me at about 40 mph. Before I go to pass the law breaker, I tap my air horn. He tapped his horn so at least I know he knows I am there....so I pass him up with authority not sparing many of my horses of the Freedom engine.

To sum this up I manually modulate my high beams as needed.
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rwilly
Posted 2010-07-15 11:51 AM (#64593 - in reply to #64587)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk Headlamp Modulators


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Posts: 523
seattle, wa
radioteacher - 2010-07-15 8:50 AM

I ride with low beams and the HID on.

When I observe someone that might violate my lane, I turn on the high beams and leave them on until I pass them. Driveways and intersections are the most common places that I do this. Doing this has stopped many a cage from violating my lane.

Lately, I have had a few drivers that would make a left turn from my left to travel in the same direction that I am going. This area has a center turn lane. I can not tell if they have seen me so I get on the defensive. Before they pull out I turn on the highs, check to the rear to make sure I won't get run over if I stop, cover the brakes and/or slow down.

I had one accelerate in this center turn lane, illegally, going in my direction ahead of me at about 40 mph. Before I go to pass the law breaker, I tap my air horn. He tapped his horn so at least I know he knows I am there....so I pass him up with authority not sparing many of my horses of the Freedom engine.

To sum this up I manually modulate my high beams as needed.


+1
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aaronrkelly
Posted 2010-07-15 12:09 PM (#64594 - in reply to #64587)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk Headlamp Modulators


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Posts: 395
Moravia, IA
radioteacher - 2010-07-15 10:50 AM

I ride with low beams and the HID on.

When I observe someone that might violate my lane, I turn on the high beams and leave them on until I pass them. Driveways and intersections are the most common places that I do this. Doing this has stopped many a cage from violating my lane.

Lately, I have had a few drivers that would make a left turn from my left to travel in the same direction that I am going. This area has a center turn lane. I can not tell if they have seen me so I get on the defensive. Before they pull out I turn on the highs, check to the rear to make sure I won't get run over if I stop, cover the brakes and/or slow down.

I had one accelerate in this center turn lane, illegally, going in my direction ahead of me at about 40 mph. Before I go to pass the law breaker, I tap my air horn. He tapped his horn so at least I know he knows I am there....so I pass him up with authority not sparing many of my horses of the Freedom engine.

To sum this up I manually modulate my high beams as needed.


Good plan.

Problem is going to be that your observation may come to late one day. It has happened to alot of riders.

Ive never said, nor will I say, that a modulator is a substitute for riding defensively and using your crash avoidance skills. You dont slap this thing on and go rip up the pavement without concern simply cause its there.

Logic to me dictates that Im not infallible......Im not perfect. Now maybe you are but there are plenty of riders laying in graves that thought THEY could see dangers and avoid them......that they wouldnt hit a left turning car.....etc. To think that in every instance your going to be able to see danger and react quickly enough is presumptuous.

All Im doing is employing a tool to give me better odds.

Edited by aaronrkelly 2010-07-15 12:21 PM
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glighto11
Posted 2010-07-15 1:07 PM (#64598 - in reply to #63146)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk Headlamp Modulators


Iron Butt

Posts: 741
Central New York
I have completed the first day with the modulator, only about 60 miles of rural/city/highway commute. Can't say I saw an occasion where it saved my life, hope I never do. Also didn't see any adverse reactions (international salute, pulling off the road, etc.). One thing did vividly stand out though. Nobody violated my "safety space". That space you keep between you and the car ahead that everyone tries to squeeze into. I feel that the modulator makes you appear bigger, closer, and more intimidating. Whatever the reason, so far I like this gadget!
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varyder
Posted 2010-07-15 1:07 PM (#64599 - in reply to #63146)
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Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA
I guess as with Steve Irwin, (crocadile hunter) no matter how well you know your environment, or how comfortable you are in it, or how attentive you may be, or what precautions you may have taken, it only takes one prick to take you out.
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Prostreet1
Posted 2010-07-15 1:18 PM (#64602 - in reply to #64599)
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Cruiser

Posts: 184
Allen Park, MI
dbl post....dam puter.

Edited by Prostreet1 2010-07-15 1:19 PM
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Prostreet1
Posted 2010-07-15 1:18 PM (#64603 - in reply to #64599)
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Cruiser

Posts: 184
Allen Park, MI
varyder - 2010-07-15 2:07 PM

I guess as with Steve Irwin, (crocadile hunter) no matter how well you know your environment, or how comfortable you are in it, or how attentive you may be, or what precautions you may have taken, it only takes one prick to take you out.


+1 in a nutshell
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donetracey
Posted 2010-07-15 3:42 PM (#64611 - in reply to #63146)
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Visionary

Posts: 2118
Pitt Meadows, BC Canada
When Canada legislated Manditory Daylight Headlights on ALL motorvehicles some 30+ years ago, I had already been driving motorcycles WITHOUT the headlight on for about 20 years.
And I will tell you - I went from "at least one frightening event per week" to "almost NO frightening events per year". THAT'S how dramatic headlights on in daytime have been for me - and for Cagers. Simply put - this LAW drastically cut into the number of accidents occurring.
I have utmost confidence in being seen on the Vision with just low-beams and HID ON, and because modulators are very rare here - I agree that they are distracting, rather than helpful.
Spend your money on a fund to promote MANDITORY HEADLIGHTS rather than bruising your knuckles on installing scary lighting. Just my $ .02
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aaronrkelly
Posted 2010-07-15 3:52 PM (#64613 - in reply to #63146)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk Headlamp Modulators


Tourer

Posts: 395
Moravia, IA
See I think the other way around.....with all the daytime running lights on cars you dont stand out anymore.....you blend in with everyone else. Everyone has there lights on.

In fact that was one reason they allowed modulators....to give the edge back to bikes that they gave them in the late 70s when they mandated headlight use.
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radioteacher
Posted 2010-07-15 3:52 PM (#64614 - in reply to #64594)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk Headlamp Modulators


Visionary

Posts: 3006
San Antonio, TX
aaronrkelly - 2010-07-15 12:09 PM

Good plan.

Problem is going to be that your observation may come to late one day. It has happened to alot of riders.

Ive never said, nor will I say, that a modulator is a substitute for riding defensively and using your crash avoidance skills. You dont slap this thing on and go rip up the pavement without concern simply cause its there.

Logic to me dictates that Im not infallible......Im not perfect. Now maybe you are but there are plenty of riders laying in graves that thought THEY could see dangers and avoid them......that they wouldnt hit a left turning car.....etc. To think that in every instance your going to be able to see danger and react quickly enough is presumptuous.

All Im doing is employing a tool to give me better odds.


Man, what can I say. I know you are right. Sooner or later (I would prefer much much later like.....never) my number could come up.

I am sorry but I never discussed my thoughts on modulators just how I ride. I am neutral on them. Some days I want to buy one on other days I tell my self I do not need one. They could come in handy for Parade work but that is another topic.

I get an education every time I lift the kick stand.

On my daily commute I am lucky to know the road very well. It remember taking the road with my dad over three decades ago when I was fifteen years old with a learners permit. It is 7.5 miles each way consisting of a mix of four lane and two lane roads. For eight years I have taken the same path...for the last two years I ride it on the Vision.

The roads have no school zones but carry a lot of buses, students and school staff. I am convinced that the school staff at the districts main office drive much worse than the students, especially in the morning. They turn on the car and turn off the brain.

In that time I have seen many accidents and incidents. One spot makes me very nervous since I can still see stains on the pavement from the road flares to direct traffic where the rider was killed by a left turning cage.

I am not saying anything bad about modulators just describing the environment I ride in. Everyone should use the equipment that they feel will do the best job to get them safely to their destination.

Ride Safe
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radioteacher
Posted 2010-07-15 3:52 PM (#64615 - in reply to #63146)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk Headlamp Modulators


Visionary

Posts: 3006
San Antonio, TX
Duplicate post.

Edited by radioteacher 2010-07-15 3:53 PM
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Tarpits99
Posted 2010-07-15 4:04 PM (#64617 - in reply to #63146)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk Headlamp Modulators


Iron Butt

Posts: 742
North Orange County CA
I have been reading these posts with great interest because for the last couple of months I have been noticing the increased number of motorcycle accident reports on the radio as I prep for my commute.

Every single workday for the last eight days (it may have been even longer, but that's how long I've been actually counting) I have heard words to the effect of "Motorcyclist down in the carpool lane on the XYZ freeway, traffic is backed up to _____." It has been my feeling since moving here 10 years ago that California gives drivers licenses to far too many nincompoops and this grizzly daily traffic report is just more evidence in support of my theory.

I can say with out equivocation that the increased visibility provided by the HID, my Clearwater driving lamps and the MOABL modification make me feel more secure; and on one occasion the Clearwaters kept me from being flattened like a pancake by a young lady who was merging onto the freeway and changing lanes while happily chatting away on her cellphone. A few months ago a riding friend of ours was run into the guardrail near the 91/15 freeway interchange by a woman doing exactly the same thing.

If I were commuting into LA, or any other major metropolitan area, I would install a modulator in a New York minute. You can bet, in light of the current trend in this area, that before I spend another nickel on cool stuff a modulator is going to get another much more serious look.
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VisionTex
Posted 2010-07-15 5:49 PM (#64622 - in reply to #64617)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk Headlamp Modulators


Visionary

Posts: 1484
LaPorte,Tx.
Guys at work that have seen my Vision with the low beams, HID and the 55w PIAA lights on day or night comment it's like looking at one of the freight trains on the tracks. Again, they say it's like a freight train...how many people pull out in front of a freight train, very little, why because they see the light and don't pull out. Don't wana go there, freight train kill!!! They are really really smart people, the freight train will kill them. So if the lights on the front of my bike look like a freight train, then why do people pull out in front of me??? Because they are not scared of me, in a split second, they really realize that is NOT a freight train and they can pull out, because motorcycle is not going to KILL me. They see the light, it doesn't matter if it is modulating or not, they see it, they are just not scared of it.

After the accident and your on the ground this is the interview. Driver "Officer, I didn't see him" Officer says, "Didn't you see the motorcycle lights" Driver "no man, were there lights?"

My fellow riders, it doesn't matter what headlight you got, they are not scared of you. Ride like your not even there. See you on down the road.
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varyder
Posted 2010-07-15 5:53 PM (#64623 - in reply to #64622)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk Headlamp Modulators


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA
VisionTex - 2010-07-15 6:49 PM
My fellow riders, it doesn't matter what headlight you got, they are not scared of you. Ride like your not even there. See you on down the road.


+1
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radioteacher
Posted 2010-07-15 9:40 PM (#64636 - in reply to #64623)
Subject: Re: Let's Talk Headlamp Modulators


Visionary

Posts: 3006
San Antonio, TX
varyder - 2010-07-15 5:53 PM

VisionTex - 2010-07-15 6:49 PM
My fellow riders, it doesn't matter what headlight you got, they are not scared of you. Ride like your not even there. See you on down the road.


+1


+2
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glighto11
Posted 2010-08-21 7:49 AM (#67545 - in reply to #63146)
Subject: RE: Let's Talk Headlamp Modulators


Iron Butt

Posts: 741
Central New York

Well it's been a month of 60 mile days. A bit over 1800 miles of commuting from bumper to bumper city to 75MPH highway. But mostly 55MPH rural roads.

The only negative effect has been a couple older guys signaling to me that my light was flashing. No cars have pulled over, nobody has gotten angry, nobody has indicated annoyance, no police have even shown signs of interest, and no other bikers have called me a sissy.

The positives are that no one has pulled out in front of me, no one has taken my safety zone, and no one has changed lanes into me.

I would never say this thing is a cure all, but I do believe it makes a biker visually equal to a cager.

My conclusion after running a headlight modulator for a month: Anyone who would not invest the $90. into a safety item like this, is really wasting their money on a helmet. (No offense) 

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