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New Bohemia, Va | John the point that I was making is everybody who has gone dark swears by it. So if you go darkside, you'll stay. I've ascertained that it rides different, and I don't want different. I hope no one hates me for it. |
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orrick, mo | There wasn't any real reason for the change i brands. The only difference was a higher review rating
for the yoko on tirerack.com.
I've only got a couple hundred miles on the yoko but it really doesn't feel any better or worse than the
bridgestone. Not a big dif in price so I thought I would give it a shot. |
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orrick, mo | Sorry I have no pics of the yoko but here a couple pics of the bridgestone in action on Push mountain road in Arkansas. I was doing about 70 when the pics were snapped. Amazing how it goes from flat to almost round.
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Grand Cane, LA | The mis-info on car tires is that you "roll up on the sidewall" which is totally false unless you are running way too much air pressure. With the proper air pressure, the tire actually flexes the sidewall and more tread is on the ground than a typical motorcycle tire. There are a lot of videos out there on the subject, but unfortunately no one puts a camera on the bike with a side view of the tire and how the sidewall actually compresses on the leaning side. I have been able to actually lean more since darksiding my Vision than I was comfortable with a motorcycle tire on it. Proof being that I have actually scraped my floorboards since putting the car tire on and never been able to do it with the Elite 3. Now on another note, there is one thing that I have noticed that is more predominate with the car tire and it is the tendency to follow the road grooves left in asphalt by heavy truck traffic, especially here in Louisiana. But if you learn not to try and fight to get out of them then you will start to hardly notice them. I thought at first it was crazy too to put a car tire on a bike, but now having put on several miles on it, I am a believer. By the way, I am running the Bridgestone Potenza G019 in the 195/55R16 size at 36 psi, but I believe if you have a hitch it has to be the 185/55R16 to fit. The 195/55 is the exact same diameter size as the Elite 3. |
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Cold Lake Alberta Canada | I also run the potenza on my 08 Vision, I run it at 34 psi. I have found the rain handling and breaking superior and the ride much improved. Not that the MC tire didn't work, it worked really well. I just have some friends that are darksiders, so I tried it. Now I will probably have to wait three seasons before I have to change a tire on the rear. And as it is already the norm for me I think I will stay on the dark side.
Darkside tires are not for everybody but to those of us that have them and like them they are just fine.
The biggest thing is proper tire maintenance, pressure. After all as long as we are all riding thats the important part.
Happy trails everybody. |
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Tacoma, WA | I haven't gone darkside with the vision, mainly because I get really good mileage out of the e3's on it, and handling is just fine. The bottoms of my running boards can attest to that! I did go darkside on my VT700c though, and it is a great ride also. It appears that shaft drive bikes eat tires faster than belt drives, so it is no wonder the goldwingers love them.-----Metalguy |
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| Yup, darksiding is the best thing you can do for a motorcycle, I mean, just look at all the road racers that have gone dark side when racing. Clearly it is superior to a motorcycle tire or they wouldn't all be running car tires!
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New Bohemia, Va | Here's my conclusion on the darksidin' - They are not for every bike
- They are not for every body
- They work best on touring bikes like Gold Wings, Vision, big Harley's because of the rim size
- Will last longer
- With the right air pressure are easy to get use to
- Car tires are cheaper
- There has been no significant failures that warrant not using a car tire on a motorcycle
- Once the rider gets use to the feel the rider can do normal road riding even to the extreme
- Historically, car tires on a motorcycle was a norm when good motorcycle tires were expensive, unreliable and hard to come by
- You don't know until you try it, so don't knock it (so they say)
Personally for me, see #2.
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Tampa, Fl United States | Cap'n Nemo - 2011-03-06 6:03 AM
Here's my conclusion on the darksidin' - They are not for every bike
- They are not for every body
- They work best on touring bikes like Gold Wings, Vision, big Harley's because of the rim size
- Will last longer
- With the right air pressure are easy to get use to
- Car tires are cheaper
- There has been no significant failures that warrant not using a car tire on a motorcycle
- Once the rider gets use to the feel the rider can do normal road riding even to the extreme
- Historically, car tires on a motorcycle was a norm when good motorcycle tires were expensive, unreliable and hard to come by
- You don't know until you try it, so don't knock it (so they say)
Personally for me, see #2.
Now that's very well said, you have been redeemed by the great motorcyle gods above!!! |
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Akron, Ohio | Turk - 2011-03-06 3:26 AM
Yup, darksiding is the best thing you can do for a motorcycle, I mean, just look at all the road racers that have gone dark side when racing. Clearly it is superior to a motorcycle tire or they wouldn't all be running car tires!
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Just curious as to how much experiance you have with a car tire on a motorcycle? As far as I know, all of us that run a Darkside tire NEVER said they were beter for road racing. However I would dare say that most drag race bikes run them. I also know for a fact that the fastest Vision at the salt flats runs a car tire. JMHO |
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| Ok you have me 3/4's of the way there. BUT I have a lowered vision and now am thinking I might not be able to fit one under the fender.
So is this Bridgestone Potenza G019 in the 195/55R16 (love copy an past) Do you think it will fit or is it the same size as what we have now? Now is a 180/60-16. I'm guessing its not as wide but its taller.
Witch way do run the tread design?
The price is sure right.
By the way buzz64077 thanks for the photos. I can't help but stair over an over.
Every time I see a photo of a vision or in person it just so Dam beautiful. I'm happy I have one.
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Grand Cane, LA | My Vision is lowered 1 1/2" in the back and 1" in the front and it definitely works with the 195/55. Like I said it is the same diameter as the original tire just wider. There is plenty of room in the fender well. The only thing that is close is the belt guard. There is only about 3/8" between it and my tire in the lowered position. When I jack the bike up to normal height to change the oil, the space increases to about 1/2". If your bike is lowered anymore than mine than you might have an issue that you would have had even with stock tire and that's rubbing under the seat during hard bumps. If you go with the 185/55 it will give you another 1/4" of clearance I believe, but don't quote me on that. Haven't looked at the diameter of the 185 size in quite a while. I am thinking of putting my bike back up to stock height having scraped the floorboards several times and my CFR exhausts. The floorboards I didn't mind so much, but the $650 mufflers were a little harder to swallow.
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | A 195/55-16 is 1.5mm taller than a 180/60-16 or 0.75mm higher above the axle. That's less than a dimes thickness. |
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Chesterfield, VA | Here's another vote for "darksiding". I installed a Potenza G-019 (195/55/16) a few months ago and after the first couple hundred miles I loved the way the tire handled and rode. It felt a little squirrely at first, but from what I understand you have to get a few miles on it to help soften the release molding. Anyway, once broken in, the tire handled extremely well in both slow maneuvering and high speed sweepers and cornering. It does have a tendency to want to follow the contour of the road, but also seems to grip the road better when accelerating and stopping. As far as the different feel, it does take a little more input to initiate a turn. It's a minimal difference...kind of like only thinking about turning with the E3 versus having to physically provide a slight input.
Anyway, I just went back to the E3 because I added a hitch to my bike and there wasn't enough clearance with the car tire. I have a very good deal on a Potenza G-019 with about 2,000 miles on it that is available if anyone wants to try out a car tire. What is the deal you ask?? Well, it's free for anyone who can pick it up from me. I'm in central VA, off route 10 between 295 and 95 (the Rivers Bend area). So if you've thought about trying this, here's an opportunity to do so for the cost of having the tire mounted.
Shoot me a message if interested.
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Moravia, IA | sarvbill - 2011-03-07 8:10 AM
Anyway, I just went back to the E3 because I added a hitch to my bike and there wasn't enough clearance with the car tire.
Im not sure which hitch your running.....but its been reported that going to a 185/55 will give you the clearance you need.
I know on my Vision with the HitchDoc its works just peachy. I also ran the Potenza G019 Grid and really like it.
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| You darksiders are driving deeper into the loony bin.
I have found this tire that looks like it has a better rolled edge. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Dunlop&tireModel=S...
Now I looked at the one to. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Dunlop&tireModel=S...
What does a crazy guy do?? |
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New Bohemia, Va | john frey - 2011-03-08 1:47 PM
You darksiders are driving deeper into the loony bin.
I have found this tire that looks like it has a better rolled edge. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Dunlop&tireMod...
Now I looked at the one to. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Dunlop&tireMod...
What does a crazy guy do?? who would thought, read the fine print carefully, you can now ride your bike in the snow.....  oh, I've done that already with the E3's The SP Sport 5000 is Dunlop's Ultra High Performance All-Season radial developed for drivers of sports cars, sporty coupes, performance sedans, and darkside motorcycles. The SP Sport 5000 is designed to provide ultra high performance and all-season versatility by blending traction on dry and wet roads with traction in light snow. �
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Tampa, Fl United States | Cap'n Nemo - 2011-03-08 3:19 PM
john frey - 2011-03-08 1:47 PM
You darksiders are driving deeper into the loony bin.
I have found this tire that looks like it has a better rolled edge. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Dunlop&tireModel=S...
Now I looked at the one to. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Dunlop&tireModel=S...
What does a crazy guy do?? who would thought, read the fine print carefully, you can now ride your bike in the snow..... oh, I've done that already with the E3's The SP Sport 5000 is Dunlop's Ultra High Performance All-Season radial developed for drivers of sports cars, sporty coupes, performance sedans, and darkside motorcycles. The SP Sport 5000 is designed to provide ultra high performance and all-season versatility by blending traction on dry and wet roads with traction in light snow. ? [/QUOTE
Cap'n Nemo
How come you continue to perpetuate this topic when you have a lack of experience of this Topic ? |
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New Bohemia, Va | I'm getting educated... |
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | I'm not commenting one way or another. . . my mind is still open
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| Nozzledog - 2011-03-08 11:33 PM
I'm not commenting one way or another. . . my mind is still open
If a picture says a 1000 words, a video can say more. The guy that did this was very good, and took the time to present the video fairly. Same road, same season, same speed, same bike, same camera location.
The one thing that stood out the most for me was the contact patch, and the CT appeared to have just as much rubber on the road as the MT. In a straight line the CT had a larger patch, and that could account for the tire wanting to follow road deformations.
Here is some good questions for the darksiders. What does the bike do differently on a steel deck bridge? Gravel? Sand? Road grooves?
I'm not asking what is better or worse, but what is different?
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seattle, wa | In the above video, it looks like when you have the car tire leaned over in a corner, there isn't many tread grooves in contact with the road in order to disperse water.
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| It also doesn't look like he's leaning over very far. |
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | There are other videos on youtube that show darksiders scraping pegs in the corners, but the video quality is very poor.
I did notice that the same run took 9 seconds longer with CT.
My question, why not run a CT on the front also? If your argument holds for the back, why wouldn't it hold for the front? I know there is one guy on this forum that does, but everyone else says no way. How come? |
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Tampa, Fl United States | Nozzledog - 2011-04-10 12:09 PM
There are other videos on youtube that show darksiders scraping pegs in the corners, but the video quality is very poor.
I did notice that the same run took 9 seconds longer with CT.
My question, why not run a CT on the front also? If your argument holds for the back, why wouldn't it hold for the front? I know there is one guy on this forum that does, but everyone else says no way. How come?
I would like to know also about running a car tire up front as well |
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