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Fountain Inn, SC United States | I received a question via email that I thought should be answered by members here. Some of you have first hand experience with this...
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I have decided to buy a Vision, I really do not like the small fat tire.I now own a Jackpot. If I put a 21 in tire on the Vision front tire ,like my Jackpot has would it change the ride,,should I leave the factory wheel and tire ? I do not want to change the handling and ride. Also I want more power should I go big bore or just go the Cam,air ,fuel route ? Other than the rear bags do not hold much .This bike is the best ride on the road. I know I have tested them all ....
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Cruiser
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Houston, Tx | I cannot speak to tire changes...never done it nor researched it. Many others have though.
As for engine mods, this I did do some reading on. For me, comparing cost and final performance was key. I chose to do only the cams as the cost was much easier to validate and the difference in overall performance is minimal IMO (comparing previously posted dyno charts). Totally happy with my decision which allows me to spend the savings elsewhere.
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Iron Butt
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| I can't say what it will do for the ride on a Vision but increasing the tire size on other bikes I've owned affected the handling and not in a good way. |
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Tourer
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New Mexico | Jedi Jeff - 2012-10-04 7:22 AM
Also I want more power should I go big bore or just go the Cam,air ,fuel route ?
My opinion - Cam, Air, Fuel route. I rode a 'Demo' High-Ball that had this mod, and it was freak'n HOT!
Fast, powerful, light, and 'snappy'!
I also liked the bigger front tire, but won't go that way on my Vision. Unless I go DS up front.
Edited by Boots 2012-10-04 11:13 AM
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Cruiser
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Pittsburgh, PA | Wouldn't you think that the engineers used the stock tires and rim for a specific reason? I understand different tread designs and liking one company over another but to change up the size would have to seriously alter the ride, stance and handling on the bike. You rode it as is and said it was the best so why change it? if the bigger tire was better, I would think that it would have come bigger or taller. I'm still amazed at the power one get from the stock setup but I do understand the "more power" desire. But i'm still stock so I will let other speak on that part of the question. |
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Cruiser
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Land O Lakes, FL | I spoke to a guy on here that has the big tire up front and aside from looks everything was a negative. It no longer stops or turns very well with that tire up front. As for the cam/fuel/air route that is the best bang for your buck. You'll get a tad more from a big bore (done right) but the reliablity and nearly same HP results make the kit not really a good value. Now if your gonna go nuts and do like a supercharger, turbo, nitrous, etc then sure beefing up the stock internals is a good idea. Otherwise cams are probably the way to go. |
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Visionary
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| Lets see going to a 21" tire would coast say $2 thousand. Wheel. fender, racked triple tress, matching rotor, tire. It will not handle like stock.
For the motor cams will give you a 100 horse wouldn't that be enough. |
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Visionary
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Jasper, MO | The Vision has the best ride and handling in the luxury touring bike category in the stock form. I wouldn't mess with it.
Lloydz VM1 cams, top intake filter, and VFCIII fuel controller will net you about a 30% power increase with no downsides. Exhaust changes not needed unless you want a different sound. I also recommend Lloydz reprogrammed ECU to go with those mods. It gives you a better timing curve and a 6400 RPM limit in all 6 gears. (The stock ECU has a lazy timing curve plus a 5250 RPM limit in 1st, 5500 limit in 2 through 5, and a 4550 RPM limit in 6th, which limits the performance potential of the cams/intake.) With cams, intake, fuel control, and ECU, the Vision has better performance than a GL1800 Goldwing and gets slightly better fuel economy than the GW at the same time.
In stock form, the Vision gets beat by the GL1800 in the quarter mile and on top end and is about even in 5th gear roll-ons up to about 100 MPH. Above 100 MPH, the GW starts pulling away. The Vision with cams, intake, and fuel control is really close and sometimes even a little quicker than the GW in the quarter mile, faster in roll-ons, and still artificially limited to 120 MPH by the stock ECU. The Vision with cams, intake, fuel control, and Lloydz ECU is quicker in the quarter mile, faster in roll-ons, and faster on the top end than the Goldwing.
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Cruiser
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Land O Lakes, FL | Big Twins Rock! That is all... |
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Tourer
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Grand Cane, LA | Ok, doesn't Arlen Ness make a 21" tire kit for the Visions? Every one I've seen that he customizes has the 21" up front or is my mind playing tricks on me. Lol! |
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Cruiser
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Rhode Island | I agree with others that if you are happy with the handling don't mess with it; why don't you like the small front tire, is it looks only? As far as performance, decide what you want then talk with LLoyd or a wrench you are comfortable with on how to get the results you are after. The standard VM1 cams come alive above 3800rpm, I wanted something with more low end not worried about top speed and Kyle (KMC) and Lloyd gave me some suggestion that worked perfectly. The torque jumps to about 105 at 2100-2200 and bounces from 108-111 all the way to 5200rpm and I'm running stock exhaust. So send him an email and take it from there.
Good luck,
Jim |
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Iron Butt
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Orlando, FL | It's all a matter of personal preference. As I mentioned today in a different thread, it's all a matter of what you wish to fill the glass with. There are many components to a motorcycle. Looks, power, speed, handling, etc. Every time you add more to one thing, you lose a little somewhere else. That's why a chopper (looks), a dragster (Power), a road racer (handling) and a speedster at Bonneville (all out speed) all are designed a bit differently. You have to consider what you want, how you ride, what your goals are and make a decision. A bunch of engineers spent a boatload of time designing the Vision as a touring bike with definite goals. Make sure you are meeting your goals before making a change. To me the change to a 21 inch tire is exactly what you mentioned. For looks. If a 21 inch wheel gave better handling, I believe the designers of the Vision would have incorporated that into the design.
I love what Mike at HMD has done to his Vision. But IMHO, it's not designed to ride a trip from Florida to NY! SO while it works for him and many others, my ride is geared to me and my goals. Figure out what you want. But understand that you cannot have everything. The glass only holds so much.
Edited by MaddMAx2u 2012-10-06 10:19 AM
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Visionary
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| Can't help on the tires. My stock ones are fine on my Vision.
I suggest you get on the phone with Lloyd, explain what you want in performance, he will tell you what you need and you send it to him because winter is coming on. Spring comes and you are a happy Vision Rider. Ask him about the tires and wheels, bet he has some great info. |
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