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Georgia, west of Atlanta | So far differences I can tell are : 1) the 13' is easier to find neutral, 2) The 13' radio reception is way better. 3) the 2008 will stomp the 13' cause it has 115HP. And the heated seat on the 13" sure is nice, I rode it home last night and it was 38F. |
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Ruskin, Fl | My 2013 seems underpowered compared to my '08.
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Well we all know where the cams are...........Thank you Lloyd. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | One more thing: I'm gonna have to get a toe/heel shifter, Just been using one too long and like it too much to go without...........
One question: Why is the radio reception so much better on my 13' than my 08' ??? Is it a different radio or a better antenna ??? |
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Ruskin, Fl | Pretty sure it's improved radio. Antenna looks the same. |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder ....
I love my '08 - and all that has been done since - has just tried to lure new buyers. I wouldn't give you a nickel for a newer one than MY baby.
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Jasper, MO | cw1115 - 2013-02-16 11:59 PM
Pretty sure it's improved radio. Antenna looks the same.
I would agree. My 2008 radio didn't have very good reception, and when I added the CB in early 2009, they didn't like each other. When all was said and done, I ended up with a new 2010 radio and CB (replaced under warranty). The new radio has much better reception. Same antenna.
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Peru, IN | You guys are saying the '08s had more horsepower than the '13s? |
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Ruskin, Fl | Well mine did. I bought it with Ness Honkers, Lloyd air intake and fuel fuel controller.
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | No mine does because I have VM-1 cams, top filter, PC-V and CFR pipes. I believe stock visions of all years have about 85 RWHP. My 08' has 115 RWHP because of the mods and a Lloyd dyno tune............. |
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Jasper, MO | Monkeyman - 2013-02-17 11:59 AM
You guys are saying the '08s had more horsepower than the '13s?
Not until Lloydz sprinkled some magic dust on them. Then they magically gain about a 30% power increase.
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Peru, IN | Ah. That makes more sense now. Thanks. I though ya'll were comparing stock to stock. |
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Dallas, Texas | For me, I'll keep my '08, until it gets to be too expensive to fix. I looked at the '13s, and it seemed like alot of the items that came standard with the Tour Premium, you have to buy separately. I'll stick with my PIF '08. |
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Jasper, MO | iluvink - 2013-02-17 9:39 PM
For me, I'll keep my '08, until it gets to be too expensive to fix. I looked at the '13s, and it seemed like alot of the items that came standard with the Tour Premium, you have to buy separately. I'll stick with my PIF '08.
Same here. I've got it the way I want it, and the later bikes just look and feel "cheapened" compared to my '08 Tour Premium. As far as I'm concerned after trying the newer bikes out, they have no advantage other than the availability of reverse, and have some features I find that are inferior to my '08.
Not putting your new bike down Steve--Congratulations. I'm just happy with what I've already got.
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | All cool, I love my 08' and I hope to come to love the 13' too. Heck I might put a "BIG" engine in the 08' now or maybe one of those Lloydz superchargers. Hmm ????? Any way they are both examples of the best American bike made........... |
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Peru, IN | I think the BIG reason the '13 (or '11/'12) is better than the '08 (or '09) is ABS. Never had a bike with ABS before this one and after a couple close calls (so far), I don't think I'd own a bike without it. |
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Peru, IN | Um, probably not. Nice try, though. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | One thing I've been wondering about, what changed with the engine that it went from 2500 mile oil change intervals to 5000 miles ?? |
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| Nothing in the motor changed. But the trans was completely redone with helicut gears and tighter tolerances. The older trans became noisy, difficult to shift and hard to find neutral as the oil got miles on it. The newer trans eliminated those problems as well as having a positive neutral finder kinda like what Kawasaki had back in 1973. In 2013 they updated it again but didn't publicize it. More like a running change. The new bikes have all new gears again as well as a new selector wheel or whatever they call it. My 2013 shifts way better than my 2011 did.
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, WI | XRsteve - 2013-02-22 9:31 PM One thing I've been wondering about, what changed with the engine that it went from 2500 mile oil change intervals to 5000 miles ?? From the Victory website - "We asked Victory engineer James Holroyd to comment on some of the changes in 2011. Regarding reliability, James says “This important improvement was made possible by the new transmission and its neutral-finder. Previous oil change intervals were dictated by oil breakdown making neutral harder to find at higher mileages. The neutral finder eliminates this problem, and allows you to get the full use out of your oil.” |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Thanks fells............ |
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Lindale, TX | Can't give up the chrome handlebars on my 08 tour premium. Something about the painted ones throws me off. |
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Peru, IN | Chrome is so 10 years ago. The blacked out stuff on my '12 was one of the selling points. |
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Perry Hall, MD | Rollin' - 2013-02-23 12:13 AM
>"We asked Victory engineer James Holroyd to comment on some of the changes in 2011. Regarding reliability, James says ?This important improvement was made possible by the new transmission and its neutral-finder. Previous oil change intervals were dictated by oil breakdown making neutral harder to find at higher mileages. The neutral finder eliminates this problem, and allows you to get the full use out of your oil.?
Seems to validate earlier post that the dealer had told a member that the engine will tell you when the oil needs to be changed.
So, if I can still find neutral the engine is fine with going to 5,000 between changes, but is there a risk to adding wear to the tranny? |
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Jasper, MO | lennyb - 2013-02-25 8:09 AM
Rollin' - 2013-02-23 12:13 AM
>"We asked Victory engineer James Holroyd to comment on some of the changes in 2011. Regarding reliability, James says ?This important improvement was made possible by the new transmission and its neutral-finder. Previous oil change intervals were dictated by oil breakdown making neutral harder to find at higher mileages. The neutral finder eliminates this problem, and allows you to get the full use out of your oil.?
Seems to validate earlier post that the dealer had told a member that the engine will tell you when the oil needs to be changed.
So, if I can still find neutral the engine is fine with going to 5,000 between changes, but is there a risk to adding wear to the tranny?
The logic does follow, does it not? The Victory oil is admittedly (finally, by a Victory factory engineer) worn out by 2500 miles (which I have been saying for a dozen years), but the new neutral finder lets you run it another 2500 miles. That does not encourage me.
Personally, I switched to an oil that has always gone 5000 miles in my older bike without a neutral finder, years ago. I'm convinced, by personal experience, that the oil was the major factor ( the early transmission design is a minor factor and can be compensated for) with the problems with the early bike's (1999 and 2000) transmission failures, and the reason for the 2500 mile change intervals prior to the addition of the neutral finders.
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | rdbudd - 2013-02-25 12:09 PM
lennyb - 2013-02-25 8:09 AM
Rollin' - 2013-02-23 12:13 AM
>"We asked Victory engineer James Holroyd to comment on some of the changes in 2011. Regarding reliability, James says ?This important improvement was made possible by the new transmission and its neutral-finder. Previous oil change intervals were dictated by oil breakdown making neutral harder to find at higher mileages. The neutral finder eliminates this problem, and allows you to get the full use out of your oil.?
Seems to validate earlier post that the dealer had told a member that the engine will tell you when the oil needs to be changed.
So, if I can still find neutral the engine is fine with going to 5,000 between changes, but is there a risk to adding wear to the tranny?
The logic does follow, does it not? The Victory oil is admittedly (finally, by a Victory factory engineer) worn out by 2500 miles (which I have been saying for a dozen years), but the new neutral finder lets you run it another 2500 miles. That does not encourage me.
Personally, I switched to an oil that has always gone 5000 miles in my older bike without a neutral finder, years ago. I'm convinced, by personal experience, that the oil was the major factor ( the early transmission design is a minor factor and can be compensated for) with the problems with the early bike's (1999 and 2000) transmission failures, and the reason for the 2500 mile change intervals prior to the addition of the neutral finders.
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He does not admit or even state that the Vic oil is "worn out" Only that part of the additive package can degrade, and that they felt it better to change it. He states HIGHER MILES, but does not give a figure. Many have had their Vic oil independently tested; as far out a 7500 miles, and that I know of. The oil passes with flying colors every time. Don't care who's oil you run; in a no synchro Vic trans. Shift quality falls off around 3K. When moving to a full synth oil. You may move that point out 500 miles, but as also proven by many; you may shorten your clutch life |
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Jasper, MO | kevinx - 2013-02-25 3:09 PM
rdbudd - 2013-02-25 12:09 PM
lennyb - 2013-02-25 8:09 AM
Rollin' - 2013-02-23 12:13 AM
>"We asked Victory engineer James Holroyd to comment on some of the changes in 2011. Regarding reliability, James says ?This important improvement was made possible by the new transmission and its neutral-finder. Previous oil change intervals were dictated by oil breakdown making neutral harder to find at higher mileages. The neutral finder eliminates this problem, and allows you to get the full use out of your oil.?
Seems to validate earlier post that the dealer had told a member that the engine will tell you when the oil needs to be changed.
So, if I can still find neutral the engine is fine with going to 5,000 between changes, but is there a risk to adding wear to the tranny?
The logic does follow, does it not? The Victory oil is admittedly (finally, by a Victory factory engineer) worn out by 2500 miles (which I have been saying for a dozen years), but the new neutral finder lets you run it another 2500 miles. That does not encourage me.
Personally, I switched to an oil that has always gone 5000 miles in my older bike without a neutral finder, years ago. I'm convinced, by personal experience, that the oil was the major factor ( the early transmission design is a minor factor and can be compensated for) with the problems with the early bike's (1999 and 2000) transmission failures, and the reason for the 2500 mile change intervals prior to the addition of the neutral finders.
Ronnie
He does not admit or even state that the Vic oil is "worn out" Only that part of the additive package can degrade, and that they felt it better to change it. He states HIGHER MILES, but does not give a figure. Many have had their Vic oil independently tested; as far out a 7500 miles, and that I know of. The oil passes with flying colors every time. Don't care who's oil you run; in a no synchro Vic trans. Shift quality falls off around 3K. When moving to a full synth oil. You may move that point out 500 miles, but as also proven by many; you may shorten your clutch life
We've been 'round and 'round this thorny bush several times  Technical explanations aside, the simple fact is that the transmissions become harder to shift as the miles accumulate on the Victory (and some others) oil, and they do not on synthetic oil, and neutral becomes harder to find as the miles accumulate on the Victory oil, and does not on the synthetic oil. I don't care if it is the additive package or the base oil that is getting worn out, the result is the same--poor performance and increased wear.
The specific "higher mileages" aren't spelled out in that particular statement, but we all know that the statement was made in relation to the announcement of the change from 2500 mile oil change intervals to 5000 mile oil changes. Before the addition of the neutral finder, "higher mileage" was 2500 miles.
As has been proven by so many, running a specialty oil designed for Harley Davidson and European clutch materials can cause the clutch to slip in a Victory. That is ONE specific oil out of several synthetics that are offered, even by the same company. You can't condemn ALL synthetic oils because SOME people used the wrong one for the application. The 20W-50 MCV sold by Amsoil is specifically targeted to Harley and European bikes if you read the applications sheet. Admittedly, their "applications guide" is FUBARed and has misled several people. The actual applications sheets tell a different story.
I have never had any clutch slippage when running synthetic oil in either of my Victory bikes, but I also am smart enough to read the applications sheets and use the right oil for the application, and I have drag raced the bikes and pulled wheelies with them, but I have never used the 20W-50MCV (Harley) in my Victory either. I use the 20W-50ARO or the 10W-40AMO. It is an important distinction.
Just for the record books, I chose 5000 miles (double the factory 2500 mile recommendation) for oil changes arbitrarily. I have gone as much as 6790 miles on an oil change using the Amsoil 10W-40AMO and the transmission was still shifting as good as it does on new oil at that point. With Victory oil in the crankcase, shift quality starts dropping off markedly after about 2000 miles on the oil. That's real world experience, not lab tests.
Victory should have just put better quality oil in their bottles instead of adding doodads to the transmission to help one "get the full use out of the oil" IMHO.
What will the excuse be if the owners of the bikes with the "new and improved transmissions" with the neutral finder if they start to have transmission troubles, since they will be running oil that was only good for 2500 miles before, but are now going 5000 miles on that same oil? Will it be 1999 and 2000 all over again? I sure hope not.
Ronnie
Edited by rdbudd 2013-02-26 12:02 PM
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | One other thing, after riding today in 39F weather, The heated seat sure was nice, especially for my girlfriend who's not used to such weather.......... |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | My 08 is a Vision Street and dosen't have the heated seat....... |
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