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Puddle Jumper
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Hendersonville, NC | Hello all, i am new to this forum stuff and new to the victory family, on 8-22-13 i picked up a new 13 victory vision all black and wow she is pretty. I have rode many different bikes before like HD electra glide classic 2010 - 2012 honda goldwing - 98 & 97 valkyrie - couple diff. crotch rockets- 2008 street glide but this bike is by far the most comfortable ride i ever jumped on. i am looking to spend a lot of miles with her so there comes my questions. First here is what was done at the dealer, they installed 2"forward ness chrome bars, installed the scuff pads in the lower fairing, slid floor boards all the way forward - absolutely amazed it actually fit me and didn't need to buy forward controls or highway pegs, rider backrest, and they did some exhaust work (gutted the catz, pulled out baffles and reinstalled a 2 " pipe ????? not really sure was not there to watch and been enjoying riding again so haven't had time to check it out then they did the map download program. OK so now every gear higher the rpm the louder the backfire and pop why is this anyone know, also after market accesories are they slim to find any sites also the heated grips roll my hands to the switch housing only complaint sorry but after a while on them my hands cramp any slip overs or other heated grips like kuryakyn iso grips work on these girls or do you have to go with out heated grips to get the comfort of the air cushion grips.
thanks for the help
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Katy, TX United States | Welcome to the Victory family. I bought a '13 VV in July and love it. It is a great, comfortable ride. |
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Puddle Jumper
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Hendersonville, NC | Thank you , yeah i picked mine up on thursday rode a lil bit that night and worked all day friday and saturday then put almost 500 miles on her sunday , left hendersonville took 19/23 through canton 74 to waynesville crossed soco gap into cherokee rode the blue ridge parkway into pigeon forge ate lunch then took her through a bunch of other back roads to the foothill parkway then onto the dragons tail us 129 - 318 curves 11 miles what a ride, she handled great even not being broke in yet and tires not scuffed up good yet went through part of hwy 28 (moonshiners 28) long route home |
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Katy, TX United States | WOW nice first ride. |
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Central Illinois | Bigd2013vv, there are lots of supporting vendors including Lloydz, Witchdoctors and Kewl Metal. The Victory performance accessories are not too well thought of. If you want performance items see Lloydz as a primary source. If you want accessories both Witchdoctors and Kewl Metal can be good sources. There are other less focused providers but those 3 are the first ones to check for your needs. |
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Puddle Jumper
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Hendersonville, NC | excellent oldman47 I appreciate the info I seen a lot of threads on here from lloydz def. going to get hooked up with them. ya the first ride was awesome never have I had a bike stock so comfy, the more I ride her the more I want to go again, came off the 12 Goldwing great bike performance and handling but after 45 miles my tailbone started burning and aching, my vision all day ride no problem all day, and there is no cockpit room on the wing so I was cramped as well, not anymore, I am stretched out now and when I start personalizing her she will be lot more comfortable, I will check the other sights you mentioned as well to see what all I can find thanks again |
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | Welcome aboard!
You will also find some of the Vision riders here making things for the bike.
Dragonbob makes a great dash bag (dragon-bobdesigns.com)
We are always looking for good designs from the people who actually ride the Vision.
Jbhatch makes some highway pegs that mount to the front tip-overs, he also makes passenger highway pegs.
Glighton @ Vision-mod.com has a brakelight sequencer that really brightens up the back end. |
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Lexington Park, MD | bigd2013vv - 2013-08-29 2:24 PM
.....they did some exhaust work (gutted the catz, pulled out baffles and reinstalled a 2 " pipe ????? not really sure was not there to watch and been enjoying riding again so haven't had time to check it out then they did the map download program. OK so now every gear higher the rpm the louder the backfire and pop why is this anyone know,
Not sure about the "map" they installed but kinda shocked they didnt set you up with a 2nd upper air filter and discuss a VFCIII controller or PCV if they were doing all that work. The 2nd filter (Lloydz site) will give you a nice pep in the step. Popping, indicative of a lean condition. If you can look at the pipes coming off the cans, you will see an O2 sensor a little ways down with the front wire going up into the covere around the starter and the rear behind that plastic piece at the back of the engine center frame. These O2's can be unhooked to set your fuel control into a loop (making her a little more rich as it comes off the higher RPMs) and it rolls back to idle which should all but end most of your popping. Some will be also be removed with genter roll offs in between gears, you will figure that out. If your unsure where or how to unhook the O2's, hit the search or shoot me a PM and I will give you a ring and walk ya through it.
Hoppe this helps and congrats on the new ride!!!!
Tim
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Puddle Jumper
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Hendersonville, NC | Im actually taking her in for my first service this weekend I will see about the 2nd upper filter when im there, he said something about vfcIII but did not go into detail about it said we could talk about it later if I wished, I will also check out the 02 sensor and disconnect them, doing so will it throw a code or anything, I have been considering either vfcIII or the pcv is one better than the other or are they about the same
thanks so much for the help
I figure these questions have been asked many times and they still get answered, it is greatly appreciated |
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Lexington Park, MD | 2nd filter available through lloydz http://www.lloydz.com/store/item_view.asp?estore_itemid=1000120 and is an easy project if your are a tinkerer.
O2's may toss a code on first start up and should clear after that. Not sure dealer will buy off on doing it for you but you can ask. It's been done for some time now. VFCIII is a Lloydz fuel controller that has simpler presets on it and is good if your not going down the road with cams and the such vs the PCV adds ALOT more flexablity in tuning. Im not going to try to list all the differnences, I have a VFCIII and am switching to a PCV. Some think the VFCIII runs a bit on the rich side, I had no complaints and it has served me well. Talk with your dealer, search around here and make an informed decision. It will wake up that 3200+ rpm range.. hehe I did the 2nd filter almost imediately, it will make a little intake more noise on the top side but picking up around 7hp is a nice seat of the pants feel for an air filter.. hehe
Questions get asked, they get answered. Thats what the forums are for. Some times were just sitting here at work waiting for that last 30 minutes to disappear.. .lol
Safe ridn and welcome to the forums! |
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Jasper, MO | bigd2013vv - 2013-08-29 7:18 PM
I seen a lot of threads on here from lloydz def. going to get hooked up with them. ya the first ride was awesome never have I had a bike stock so comfy, the more I ride her the more I want to go again, came off the 12 Goldwing great bike performance and handling but after 45 miles my tailbone started burning and aching, my vision all day ride no problem all day, and there is no cockpit room on the wing so I was cramped as well, not anymore, I am stretched out now and when I start personalizing her she will be lot more comfortable, I will check the other sights you mentioned as well to see what all I can find thanks again
The addition of Lloydz VM1 cams, a top filter, a VFCIII, and Lloydz reprogrammed ECU, all running through the stock exhaust, has put my Vision if front of GL1800 Goldwings in quarter mile racing, roll-on (passing) power, and top speed. It beats them on fuel economy to boot.
You can have Goldwing beating power along with the famed Vision comfort and handling all at the same time. Look to Lloydz parts and Kevin, Rylan, Lloydz, or Kyle for the installation and tuning. Skip the factory "Stage" upgrades.
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Delray Beach, FL United States | Hey there big D welcome to the victory family ! I just came back from your neighboring town of Brevard. Family vacation, my wife & I did the dragon and moonshiners she rode her own, and abunch more riding. It would have been great to have a local guide - maybe next year. Ride safe enjoy those twistys. |
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Hendersonville, NC | Hey there Chef John, won't even ask if you enjoyed the ride up here cause its a silly question, everyone always enjoys it lol most definetely hit me up would love to escort and show off some of the great places to go and ride around here. If you didn't get the chance to ride the cherahala pkwy its an awesome ride, cades cove - close to same area, ride your bike around and watch the wild animals its a state park free to get in, to many places to list to ride mount mitchell 6435 ft . thanks for the welcoming |
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Chesterfield, VA | As far as the grips go, you can pick up a set of grip puppies (about $10-$15). They slip right over the grips, making the grips fatter and softer - and the heat still functions just fine. |
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Puddle Jumper
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Hendersonville, NC | Here is an update, Tim I took her to the dealer today to have it serviced he actually unplugged the 02 sensors for me told me to get the upper air filter so I had him order it for me, they usually keep the lloydz upper filter in stock but were out. Many cudo's to the dealership they took me right in on a Saturday labor day weekend at 4:45 pm closes at 5:30 spent plenty 1 on 1 time talking about my bike and what we should do next so coming soon I will be adding the upper filter changing stock filter to a k&n adding the VFCIII and he was talking about modifying my stock exhaust into a 2 into 1 performance exhaust he already did 1 set for a CC and it turned out awesome he is dying to do 1 on a vision so im going to be a ginny pig worse case senerio I buy a basani st with the dummy left pipe. All in all 1 week with my new vision 846 miles on her already and cant wait to go again wow what an awesome ride she is and Love my dealership. |
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Jasper, MO | bigd2013vv - 2013-08-31 7:08 PM
Here is an update, Tim I took her to the dealer today to have it serviced he actually unplugged the 02 sensors for me told me to get the upper air filter so I had him order it for me, they usually keep the lloydz upper filter in stock but were out. Many cudo's to the dealership they took me right in on a Saturday labor day weekend at 4:45 pm closes at 5:30 spent plenty 1 on 1 time talking about my bike and what we should do next so coming soon I will be adding the upper filter changing stock filter to a k&n adding the VFCIII and he was talking about modifying my stock exhaust into a 2 into 1 performance exhaust he already did 1 set for a CC and it turned out awesome he is dying to do 1 on a vision so im going to be a ginny pig worse case senerio I buy a basani st with the dummy left pipe. All in all 1 week with my new vision 846 miles on her already and cant wait to go again wow what an awesome ride she is and Love my dealership.
Sounds great. You're going to have 2 of the 3 components needed for an increase in RWHP from the stock 78-80 to about 105-110. The 3rd (and key) component is the VM1 cams. The cams need the top filter and VFCIII to feed them enough air and fuel. As awesome as the Vision is, it's even better with an additional 30 horsepower.
Ronnie
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Puddle Jumper
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Hendersonville, NC | Hey Ronnie thanks for the info and yes the cam was talked about as well and more than likely be an option soon as well but right now the basics to open her up and be able to breathe properly and run a lot better, cant wait to try her out once my dealer gets all the parts and I can get it in there to have it all installed. |
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Jasper, MO | You're welcome Dennis. See my reply in your other thread concerning exhaust changes. You don't "need to" change the stock exhaust for performance. The stock system is actually very efficient and can handle much more flow than the stock bore motor can produce. Increased power on these bikes comes from more air and fuel in (top filter and fuel controller) and better flow management (cams).
The stock exhaust system on these bikes is NOT restrictive. It's also designed for a smooth torque curve, which you could lose with aftermarket/modified exhausts. These can create dips and peaks in the torque curve that you then need something like a (more expensive option) PCV to try and compensate for.
You need four things to have power and performance that exceeds that of the GL1800 Goldwing by a small amount.
Lloydz top filter.
A fuel controller. The VFCIII works great with the stock exhaust, and those factory or aftermarket exhausts that maintain the torque curve of the stockers.
Lloydz VM1 cams.
Lloydz reprogrammed ECU.
If you just "have to" mess around with the exhaust system, the PCV for the fuel controller might be necessary, to compensate for the exhaust system, and it's peaks and valleys in the torque curve. If you go that route, get the code for the 1000 RPM rev-limit increase.
Ronnie
Edited by rdbudd 2013-09-01 7:30 PM
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Hendersonville, NC | Hey Ronnie yes I seen where you posted on my other thread about the exhaust and im not touching it anymore, although the baffles are out and a plate was put in with a 2" hole drilled in it to create the back pressure but to let more sound out they also gutted the catz in it so I decided after talking with you and a few others to do the top filter (ordered) front filter same time and the fuel controller. With the catz being gutted is this going to cause me any problems or will it be ok. |
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| I didn't read what every one told you but check the inside bolts on the front fender to make sure there tight Please
read your owners book and put air in your tires and shock. Stand bike straight up and down to check oil. By the way it only holds 4 1/2 quarts.
Tires last longer if you check the first of the month and if gets over 95 check every two weeks |
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Jasper, MO | bigd2013vv - 2013-09-02 5:34 PM
Hey Ronnie yes I seen where you posted on my other thread about the exhaust and im not touching it anymore, although the baffles are out and a plate was put in with a 2" hole drilled in it to create the back pressure but to let more sound out they also gutted the catz in it so I decided after talking with you and a few others to do the top filter (ordered) front filter same time and the fuel controller. With the catz being gutted is this going to cause me any problems or will it be ok.
As I explained in the other thread, taking the cats out is known to cost you some low end power, but it's not a major thing. It didn't gain you any power. Since it's already done, you might look at getting Lloydz adjustable timing wheel, which is good for boosting low end power regardless of your other modifications.
The cams gain a huge increase in mid-range, and especially top end power, but do lose a small amount at the low end. There are a couple of ways to gain this low end back, without losing any of the increases.
One is Lloydz reprogrammed ECU. It has a better timing curve than stock, which regains the lost low end torque. It also raises the rev-limits in all 6 gears to 6400 RPM. This is significant because the cams continue to pull hard past 6000 RPM, and the stock 5250-5500-4550 RPM rev-limiter really gets in your way.
Another is Lloydz adjustable timing wheel that I've already mentioned. It advances the fuel and ignition below 2500 RPM, which boosts the low end. It and the Lloydz ECU can be used together and compliment each other.
Given your exhaust system changes, you might be better off going with the VFCIV, or the PCV instead of the VFCIII. Both are more expensive than the VFCIII, but can compensate for unusual exhaust flow characteristics that could have been created by your exhaust modifications.
If you go with the PCV, you can get nearly the same increase in the rev-limit, as Lloydz ECU, by calling DynoJet and asking for the code to add 1000 RPM. This will get you 6250 in 1st gear, 6500 in 2nd through 5th, and 5550 in 6th. You'll have to develop your own custom timing curve via the PCV, whereas Lloydz already does it for you with his ECUs.
OR, you can use the VFCIV, or the PCV with the rev-limits and timing set at baseline, and then add Lloydz ECU.
Ronnie
Edited by rdbudd 2013-09-02 11:12 PM
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