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| Kevin is close enough to you. He is outside of Gainesville , fl. Little town called newberry. Cool little town, great BBQ joint , and a clean hotel to hang is while Kevin works his magic. If I remember right he only needs 3-4 hours with your bike once it cools down. It's a must mod. 70k mikes on mine since I went to see Kevin, problem free, little better gas mileage, and power to make you grin. You may as well have both bikes rolling stoutly.
You can reach out to Kevin here, his screen name is KevinX
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Jasper, MO | PhantomX - 2013-12-22 11:49 PM
I agree the power on the F6B is awesome. My S1 Vision with exhaust, tune and performance filter just barely pulls away from my buddies HD 103 with pipes, filter, cam, tune, gutted cat. My F6b leaves him so far behind it's not even funny. By the end of first gear giving him about a 2 bike head start and him going first I catch him on the 1-2 shift and just leave him in the dust. It would take a lot for a Vision to match that performance, even with all the Lloyds stuff it would be closer for sure.
I still love my Vision though I'm ok with it no hauling ass like the F6 that's why I have it. I rode it all day today with some other Vic guys and had so much fun then came home later and pulled the F6 out and went and played around for about 150miles. Love them both!
Go see Kevin and have him add the cams, a fuel controller, and raise the rev-limiter to 6400-6500 RPM. Increasing the rev-limit is very important if you want to get the full use of the cams. The stock rev-limiter holds you back by several MPH in each gear, forcing you to shift way too soon, and restricts the potential of the cams. You need to be able to run past 6000 RPM in each gear, shifting as the needle passes 6000. Lloydz cams are still making power at that RPM and the bike pulls hard all the way past 6000.
Then, your Vision will haul ass nearly as fast as your F6B (the Honda is a little lighter, so will be very slightly quicker if the power is exactly the same for the two bikes). The Harley will then get spanked handily by BOTH of your bikes, and by about the same amount.
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| ... Where is KevinX? ... KevinX is in Gainesville, Florida (if he hasn't moved). The 116 kit has been out for a while now and Polaris came out with the 111 Indian engines. There is no reason why Victory can't close the OEM power gap between the Victory and GL1800 engines. The F6B is on my short list for my next bike since there are no more Victory dealerships in my area. Since I ride 2 up, I would like a better backrest on the F6B for my wife. Also would like the heated seats and ABS which isn't on the US version of the F6B. The heated seat is easy, but the ABS is not unless you buy a Canadian F6B. Don't know why Honda chose to leave ABS off the US FSBs. Also got to love the F6B's charging system. Plenty of spare power to add whatever accessories you want. Another thing Victory could address.
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Jasper, MO | TimS - 2013-12-28 11:35 AM
... Where is KevinX? ... KevinX is in Gainesville, Florida (if he hasn't moved).? The 116 kit has been out for a while now and Polaris came out with the 111 Indian engines.? There is no reason why Victory can't close the OEM power gap between the Victory and GL1800 engines. The F6B is on my short list for my next bike since there are no more Victory dealerships in my area.? Since I ride 2 up, I would like a better backrest on the F6B for my wife.? Also would like the heated seats and ABS which isn't on the US version of the F6B.? The heated seat is easy, but the ABS is not unless you buy a Canadian F6B.? Don't know why Honda chose to leave ABS off the US FSBs.? Also got to love the F6B's charging system.? Plenty of spare power to add whatever accessories you want.? Another thing Victory could address.
The stock Victory Vision 106 makes as much, or more, rear wheel power than the GL1800 engine with just the addition of a fuel controller, a top air filter, Lloydz VM1 cams, and a Lloydz reprogrammed ECU--while running the stock Vision front filter and stock quiet exhaust. My Vision with the mods listed is consistently 3/10ths of a second quicker and 4 MPH faster in a quarter mile than a GL1800, proven repeatedly on a real drag strip, and consistently beats them by about 1 to 1 1/2 MPG on real road trips, and has a higher top speed than they do, proven in the real world on real roads. Why do you think you need a 116 kit to beat them? All you need is the removal of the EPA limitations on the stock motor. Remember--the GL1800 engine was certified in 2000 and the Victory was certified in 2007 with more restrictive regulations. Honda has still not come up with a newly certified Goldwing engine--sticking with a now 14 year old design, and even using that 14 year old certification with the new F6B and Valkyrie. There is a reason for that.
I run two complete sets of heated gear, which includes jacket, pants, insoles, and gloves (totaling 250 watts), plus the HID headlight, a CB radio, and the heated seat, all simultaneously with my 2008 Vision. How much more electrical power do you think the Vision needs? The Goldwing certainly has an over-abundance of charging capacity, but the Vision isn't suffering from a shortage either.
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Land O Lakes, FL | Hmm May need to go see Kevin then. That would be a lot of fun! As for passenger comfort on the F6B just get the backrest extender for the stock passenger backrest. It's a must and it's only $50. You can also add a GIVI top trunk if you want with passenger backrest. It's removable so when your two up use the trunk box when your not just unclip it. Easier than disassembling the Vision to take the trunk off (it is a nice feature that you can though).
So far everyone I've taken out prefers the F6B as a passenger. There is more room back there then the Vision which we've all known for a long time, the Vision could really use a couple more inches in the passenger area. I think the passengers, at least mine all prefer the butter smooth and quiet of the Honda, me I love the thumping VTwin but that's not for everyone.
When it comes down to it I'm very grateful to have both bikes. I love them equally. They both have there merits and they offer different riding experiences. I still smile like a giddy school girl every time I wind up the Twin but the smoothness of the Honda is also great to have. If you can only have one, well that's a tough choice but i sure do enjoy both of mine! |
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| ... How much more electrical power do you think the Vision needs? ... I did the various mods to my Vision to get extra power (on the top end, lost on the bottom end) and then went though 4 clutches ($600+ towing charges, lost vacations, plus repairs). I don't trust the bike for any trips due to the clutch issues, thus the reason for a OEM stock solution that includes the entire drive train. Also had to disconnect the gear selector after installing the ECU. Putting the bike into gear kills the engine with the gear selector connected (confirmed issue with some 2008 Visions and the reprogrammed ECU). Putting the brakes on at a stop light will drain my battery (unless I manually keep the RPMs up). Other Victory wrenches have verified this issue with other Visions (not just mine). I preordered the 65 amp stator (that appeared in the 2008 and 2009 catelogs) when I ordered my 2008 Vision but it never materialized. I thought I was buying a touring bike (which included accessories). I have a stereo, Xenon HIDS, driving lights, heated seats, heated grips and 2 sets of heated clothing (jacket liners and gloves). I would expect to be able to run them all at once, but that is NOT the case. I even converted a lot of my lights to LEDs to get some current back.
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Jasper, MO | TimS - 2013-12-29 11:38 PM
... How much more electrical power do you think the Vision needs? ... I did the various mods to my Vision to get extra power (on the top end, lost on the bottom end) and then went though 4 clutches ($600+ towing charges, lost vacations, plus repairs).? I don't trust the bike for any trips due to the clutch issues, thus the reason for a OEM stock solution that includes the entire drive train.? Also had to disconnect the gear selector after installing the ECU.? Putting the bike into gear kills the engine with the gear selector connected (confirmed issue with some 2008 Visions and the reprogrammed ECU). Putting the brakes on at a stop light will drain my battery (unless I manually keep the RPMs up).? Other Victory wrenches have verified this issue with other Visions (not just mine).? I preordered the 65 amp stator (that appeared in the 2008 and 2009 catelogs) when I ordered my 2008 Vision but it never materialized.? I thought I was buying a touring bike (which included accessories). I have a stereo, Xenon HIDS, driving lights, heated seats, heated grips and 2 sets of heated clothing (jacket liners and gloves).? I would expect to be able to run them all at once, but that is NOT the case.? I even converted a lot of my lights to LEDs to get some current back.
Wow! If I had that kind of experience, I wouldn't trust the bike either. You must have gotten a lemon. I have had only good experience with mine, and it outruns Goldwings, can loft the front wheel at the drag strip if I'm not careful, (and I use a full synthetic oil) and I've never had a clutch failure. I have Lloydz reprogrammed ECU and it works great and it also recovered the slight loss of low end power that the cams caused, as proven by roll-on testing against a Goldwing--before and after the ECU upgrade. My stock 2008 electrical system is fully capable of running two complete sets of heated gear. Admittedly, the voltage drops at an idle at stoplights, but it doesn't "drain the battery" and the voltage goes right back up as soon as we get underway again.
Sorry to hear about your troubles.
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Picked up a new stablemate for the VIsion
