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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Looks good, Not for me though, if I want a middleweight standard powered by a V-twin I heading to KTM for the 1290 Super Duke. This Gunner is just a variation of several models Victory already offers. What we need is a new engine. don't get me wrong the 106 Freedom has been a great engine but it's time for a upgrade. Hell Harley's new/old TC 110 watecooled engine now makes 88.9 HP that's more than our 106's. Yeah I know it's basicly a stage 1 from a year ago except with the water cooled heads, BUT they passed EPA with a bigger cam and a extra half point of compression. How they got away with the open aircleaner I don't know. But they did........... |
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| XR, the 89 HP is brochure numbers. The 110 TC 2014 has been consistently putting rear wheel dyno number in the 79-83 range and tq numbers 95-98. For the 30k sticker price ill keep my 106, spend 1500.00 with KevinX, have 5 grand left over and run circles around the 110". Just keeping it apples to apples, brochure numbers are a fairy tail. |
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Saratoga NY area | The boardwalk and now the Gunner. Victory is on a role with revolutionary concepts.....NOT! So disappointed in Victory. Whats next, tinted front shield for the all new vision? |
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CASTRO VALLEY, CA United States | It's basically factory customization to appeal to as many riders as possible, and probably more so to riders who don't already own a Victory. Someone looking at bobbers or an entry level cruiser may see this as a great choice. Most of the negative critiques here are from Victory owners, but look at it from a perspective of someone who don't own a Victory. Looks like a better value than an HD Sporty. 1731 vs 1200. Remember Ride One and You'll Own One! |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | jeffmack - 2014-02-09 8:15 AM
XR, the 89 HP is brochure numbers. The 110 TC 2014 has been consistently putting rear wheel dyno number in the 79-83 range and tq numbers 95-98. For the 30k sticker price ill keep my 106, spend 1500.00 with KevinX, have 5 grand left over and run circles around the 110". Just keeping it apples to apples, brochure numbers are a fairy tail.
Jeff, nope those numbers came off Cycle World's dyno according to the March 2014 issue page 15 in the side bar. Exact numbers were 88.9 HP and 105.5 ft lbs. Don't get me wrong, Harleys TC even watercooled is not near the engine our 4 valve SOHC Freemdom engine is, but it may be time to enlarge or wring another 10 HP (stock) out of the Victory engines. I know about Lloyds products I have all the stuff to get 115.5 HP out of my '08, but I was talking about stock vs. stock.............. |
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| don't believe a rags write up. Have gotten to watch 2 independent 110" 2014 dyno runs. Both a little less than this run.
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Fountain Inn, SC United States | Given the fact that Indian took many of the original engineers from Victory, it makes sad sense that Victory hasn't come out with a truly new platform in the last couple years. Several years back they announced they'd be introducing a new model every 6 months, it made practical sense that it would be a new "flavor" for an existing platform. A new platform every 6 months would be impossible given their engineering resources and the fact that Polaris operates as a very lean company. New platforms at Victory typically take years of development and testing.
My hope is that since its been a few years since the latest new Victory platform ?The Judge( or was it the Boardwalk? The lines are getting blurred) ? I'm hoping they come up with a new platform & direction around the time of Sturgis, traditionally their big debut venue. |
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Barrington, NH | The only thing new is the paintjob and the wheels... |
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Barrington, NH | I was hoping for Concept "B"...
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Barrington, NH | Or this...
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Central Maryland | I'd like to see Victory come out with a long, raked chopper; with the 106 engine. Like this:
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Central Illinois | zo6vette - 2014-02-10 5:59 PM The boardwalk and now the Gunner. Victory is on a role with revolutionary concepts.....NOT! So disappointed in Victory. Whats next, tinted front shield for the all new vision? Sounds good to me. Maybe they can call it a nightshade. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | willtill - 2014-02-11 12:07 PM
I'd like to see Victory come out with a long, raked chopper; with the 106 engine. Like this:
are choppers still even the "IN" thing anymore. (back when all those Chopper shows were on TV) i cant remember the last time i saw a chopper on the road anymore.. 10 years ago that was the craze.. around here where i live you saw all these little shops with the word CHOPPER attached to their shops name.. goofy names too.. shocked i didnt see a HorsePenis Choppers of something goofy like that..
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Central Maryland | But I like choppers. And.... I don't give a tinker's damn or flying flip; if others think it's "in" or not.
I don't follow the pack. I am not one of the herd. I like to do my own thing. So in keeping with that line of thought.... Victory needs to come up with something "different". I say; let them give birth to a new Victory Chopper !!!!
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Clinton, CT | Chico7z - 2014-02-11 12:32 PM
Or this...
I'd buy that...
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Barrington, NH | willtill - 2014-02-11 5:22 PM
But I like choppers. And.... I don't give a tinker's damn or flying flip; if others think it's "in" or not.
I don't follow the pack. I am not one of the herd. I like to do my own thing. So in keeping with that line of thought.... Victory needs to come up with something "different". I say; let them give birth to a new Victory Chopper !!!!
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Central Maryland | Chico7z - 2014-02-11 11:54 PM
willtill - 2014-02-11 5:22 PM
But I like choppers. And.... I don't give a tinker's damn or flying flip; if others think it's "in" or not.
I don't follow the pack. I am not one of the herd. I like to do my own thing. So in keeping with that line of thought.... Victory needs to come up with something "different". I say; let them give birth to a new Victory Chopper !!!!
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Looks like one of Scott's conquest bike raked out would be a good start...
That's bad ass!
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Maylene, AL | Victory needs to stop making "Harley Like" motorcycles and use the creativity that designed the Vision. |
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The Great Northwet | A Vegas is still a Vegas no matter what tires, wheels, paint and seat you bolt on.......
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Pittsburgh, PA | willtill - 2014-02-11 4:22 PM
But I like choppers. And.... I don't give a tinker's damn or flying flip; if others think it's "in" or not.
I don't follow the pack. I am not one of the herd. I like to do my own thing. So in keeping with that line of thought.... Victory needs to come up with something "different". I say; let them give birth to a new Victory Chopper !!!!
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of course. but this isnt about you.. this is about sales and marketing.. that is why Victory didn't do what you would like to do.. Im sure they are more than capable to make a "Chopper" .. I personally would like to see a motorcycle company do something i would like.. but if what i like is not profitable then..... just saying...
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Pittsburgh, PA | willtill - 2014-02-11 4:22 PM
But I like choppers. And.... I don't give a tinker's damn or flying flip; if others think it's "in" or not.
I don't follow the pack. I am not one of the herd. I like to do my own thing. So in keeping with that line of thought.... Victory needs to come up with something "different". I say; let them give birth to a new Victory Chopper !!!!
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of course. but this isnt about you.. this is about sales and marketing.. that is why Victory didn't do what you would like to do.. Im sure they are more than capable to make a "Chopper" .. I personally would like to see a motorcycle company do something i would like.. but if what i like is not profitable then..... just saying...
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Central Maryland | Arkainzeye - 2014-02-12 7:56 PM
willtill - 2014-02-11 4:22 PM
But I like choppers. And.... I don't give a tinker's damn or flying flip; if others think it's "in" or not.
I don't follow the pack. I am not one of the herd. I like to do my own thing. So in keeping with that line of thought.... Victory needs to come up with something "different". I say; let them give birth to a new Victory Chopper !!!!
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of course. but this isnt about you.. this is about sales and marketing.. that is why Victory didn't do what you would like to do.. Im sure they are more than capable to make a "Chopper" .. I personally would like to see a motorcycle company do something i would like.. but if what i like is not profitable then..... just saying...
Well then, I guess YOU have to settle for what is offered to you. I will not. I would like to see something different. And unique. Like a comeback of the choppers.
And for your own edification; EVERYTHING is about me.
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Barrington, NH | willtill - 2014-02-12 6:49 AM
Chico7z - 2014-02-11 11:54 PM
willtill - 2014-02-11 5:22 PM
But I like choppers. And.... I don't give a tinker's damn or flying flip; if others think it's "in" or not.
I don't follow the pack. I am not one of the herd. I like to do my own thing. So in keeping with that line of thought.... Victory needs to come up with something "different". I say; let them give birth to a new Victory Chopper !!!!
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Looks like one of Scott's conquest bike raked out would be a good start...
That's bad ass!
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