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icemann
Posted 2014-10-17 5:50 PM (#167360)
Subject: MADE MY OWN LED TAIL LIGHTS


Cruiser

Posts: 167
, OH
Got fed up with everyone's high prices.

Took the tail lights off the bike. Didn't have to remove the trunk or the lay flat license plate.

Used a sequencer for a chase pattern. Used a trailer light converter kit used for 2 light trailers.

CLick to see

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10154802713375157



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nailer
Posted 2014-10-17 6:10 PM (#167361 - in reply to #167360)
Subject: RE: MADE MY OWN LED TAIL LIGHTS


Tourer

Posts: 366
Albuquerque, NM
Nice job! What did it end up costing you?
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Don07tncav
Posted 2014-10-17 6:13 PM (#167362 - in reply to #167360)
Subject: Re: MADE MY OWN LED TAIL LIGHTS


Cruiser

Posts: 207
Great job!
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johnnyvision
Posted 2014-10-17 6:19 PM (#167363 - in reply to #167360)
Subject: Re: MADE MY OWN LED TAIL LIGHTS


Visionary

Posts: 4278
would love to have sequencer lights but can find what relays a guy would use
can you help?
Love your lights
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Lotzafun
Posted 2014-10-17 11:17 PM (#167366 - in reply to #167360)
Subject: Re: MADE MY OWN LED TAIL LIGHTS


Iron Butt

Posts: 935
Rockford, IL
Oh wow.....

I likey

Shut up and take my money !
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Arkainzeye
Posted 2014-10-18 5:25 AM (#167367 - in reply to #167360)
Subject: Re: MADE MY OWN LED TAIL LIGHTS


Visionary

Posts: 3772
Pittsburgh, PA
Yeah I wanted to know the samething. What was the Total ending cost?
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willtill
Posted 2014-10-18 7:52 AM (#167368 - in reply to #167360)
Subject: Re: MADE MY OWN LED TAIL LIGHTS


Visionary

Posts: 1365
Central Maryland
Yes, if you could post a parts list and sources... this would be great!
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ljurgens
Posted 2014-10-18 2:36 PM (#167370 - in reply to #167360)
Subject: Re: MADE MY OWN LED TAIL LIGHTS


Tourer

Posts: 341
West Salem, WI United States
Iceman, those are very nice. Would you be willing to post a write-up on how to build them with a parts list etc? I think quite a few of us would jump at the chance to do this!
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icemann
Posted 2014-10-21 2:04 AM (#167400 - in reply to #167360)
Subject: Re: MADE MY OWN LED TAIL LIGHTS


Cruiser

Posts: 167
, OH
Basically used strips of leds, like whats on the roll. Cut to length. Just like any other LED project on a bike. Used super bright leds. add an LED sequencer. Pick the pattern you want. mine was chase. Put the sequencer on the turn signal wire. Make sure the leds are all laying the same direction. Hook all wires together to the chaser. Could of got fancy with it but didn't. So all leds chase away. Used a trailer wire kit/integrator for the tail lights/brake lights. used a diode inline.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIpK6yx4uDI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8g_06NJEkc

doesn't apply to bikes but a how to for led strips. Since LEDS on a bike are 12v. don't need all the other crap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LK8S8apBy8

This is my next project.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o6w0ryH2dw


Edited by icemann 2014-10-21 2:15 AM
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ljurgens
Posted 2014-10-21 7:32 AM (#167402 - in reply to #167360)
Subject: Re: MADE MY OWN LED TAIL LIGHTS


Tourer

Posts: 341
West Salem, WI United States
A few questions:
1. What did you use for the backing board?
2. What color LED lights did you use, just a plain roll of 5050 lights?
3. 1 controller runs both tail lights?
4. Could you create a diagram for us?
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Rowebote
Posted 2014-10-21 8:33 AM (#167404 - in reply to #167360)
Subject: Re: MADE MY OWN LED TAIL LIGHTS


Cruiser

Posts: 62
Eagan, MN United States
instead of a brake controller could you use something like Back-Off XP or Backoff in addition to Tristar? Not sure if the Tristart would be necessary. Is the brake controller acting as the resistance for the different light intensities or did you add in resistors? Thanks for the info and inspirations!
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icemann
Posted 2014-10-26 2:29 AM (#167457 - in reply to #167360)
Subject: Re: MADE MY OWN LED TAIL LIGHTS


Cruiser

Posts: 167
, OH
First here are two videos. both are similar to get the idea across.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfNZ4YXCy3s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yrvmEUMFGo


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two diodes, make tail and brake lights. pretty simple. or two diodes make tail and turn signals. Just make "3 diodes".

One diode for tail light wire
one diode for brake light wire
one diode for turn signal wire.

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using a trailer converter kit. you go from bikes brake light wire to trailer converter brake light wire input. same for tail lights, turn signals etc.

coming out of the converter. tail lights to resister side of diode.. Brake light coming out of converter to kisan flasher then to diode #2. coming out of trailer converter for turn signal (left side unit) goes to led sequencer or kisan flasher module, then to diode #3. Then do the same thing for the right side.

Make it up on a bench with a row of 20 led's cut off a strip or a 5 leds. doesn't matter. Then you can play with it.

jd
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icemann
Posted 2014-10-26 2:32 AM (#167458 - in reply to #167360)
Subject: Re: MADE MY OWN LED TAIL LIGHTS


Cruiser

Posts: 167
, OH
Here is something different for the stock lights.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrx4XiIdoKA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kcdy0dVklXo
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how to cut led strips for lengths.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTRLt-fzTwg


Edited by icemann 2014-10-26 2:45 AM
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willtill
Posted 2014-10-26 7:02 AM (#167464 - in reply to #167360)
Subject: Re: MADE MY OWN LED TAIL LIGHTS


Visionary

Posts: 1365
Central Maryland
Iceman, those are excellent video's explaining the concept(s) on how to construct these Rear LED lights.






Edited by willtill 2014-10-26 7:03 AM
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icemann
Posted 2014-10-26 6:11 PM (#167471 - in reply to #167402)
Subject: Re: MADE MY OWN LED TAIL LIGHTS


Cruiser

Posts: 167
, OH
ljurgens - 2014-10-21 7:32 AM

A few questions:
1. What did you use for the backing board?
2. What color LED lights did you use, just a plain roll of 5050 lights?
3. 1 controller runs both tail lights?
4. Could you create a diagram for us?
1# The backing board. Flimsy plastic. Lay the chrome housing upside down on the plastic and trace it. Trim it out with exacto knife till it fits the shape of the housing. Make sure when seated down in it can fit under the red lens. Again doesn't have to be perfect. Think Ice cream sandwich with LEDS in the middle.

Thin plastic to stick all the LEDS too. Lay some carbon or trace paper over the top of it and rub trace it out to make an outline/pattern. Get another piece of thin cut to shape plastic and tape the trace paper to it. Use an exacto knife and spend all day cutting out each little square. "make an "X" and then trim the 4 sides. doesn't have to be perfect. Just need the LED to shine thru. You could also just drill it. Again doesn't have to be perfect. Lay the top piece over the LEDS that's stuck to the bottom piece. Silicone all the way around the edges which will make it somewhat stiff. Fit that onto the chrome housing. Run all wires out of the back. I put the controller behind it. TEST TEST TEST. Then use the silicone to glue the sandwich into place all the way around the edges. Then Glue the lens back on with silicone. Seal the back with gummy tape. (got mine from a direct tv installer. its what they put under the mount for sat dishes on roofs.)
#2. I used white since it was the brightest.
#3. 1 Controller in the left. 1 Controller in the right. Just piggy back everything and don't use 1/2 of it for each.
#4. See videos.

hope it helps. make a small one with 2-3 mini rows of leds and play with it first. Even if you unplugged just the turn signals and used a small one. Or just the brake light bulbs and used a small one. Looks great.

Much cheaper than those other similar ones for $6-$700 bucks.

JD
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johnnyvision
Posted 2014-10-26 6:23 PM (#167473 - in reply to #167360)
Subject: Re: MADE MY OWN LED TAIL LIGHTS


Visionary

Posts: 4278
Please tell me what would I use to make my stock bulbs into a sequnshial blinking light if you know
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RoadCap1
Posted 2014-10-26 7:03 PM (#167474 - in reply to #167360)
Subject: Re: MADE MY OWN LED TAIL LIGHTS


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 13
I have a squencial harness I bought from the vision-mod website. It works good. I am going to take it off when I do the led lights, I will sell you mine if you are not in a hurry?
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nailer
Posted 2014-10-27 8:18 AM (#167483 - in reply to #167360)
Subject: RE: MADE MY OWN LED TAIL LIGHTS


Tourer

Posts: 366
Albuquerque, NM
I understand how you made the led panels but not how you wired the LED sequencer. I ordered an LED Magician ($39 + shipping) and will see if I can figure out the rest. I will document the build process step by step. This will be a good winter project.
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icemann
Posted 2014-10-28 10:01 PM (#167510 - in reply to #167360)
Subject: Re: MADE MY OWN LED TAIL LIGHTS


Cruiser

Posts: 167
, OH
The sequencer I used offered "MODES". all on, all flash, all chase. slow fast etc. Once set, it holds that position all the time. I suppose you could easily use one of these. Then just make it water tight. Hook all leds to it. One for the left, one for the right. Use the turn signal wire as the 12+. put it in chase mode. white leds.

http://www.parts-express.com/44-key-led-control-unit-with-ir-remote...

Edited by icemann 2014-10-28 10:02 PM
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Davet
Posted 2014-10-29 1:58 AM (#167511 - in reply to #167360)
Subject: Re: MADE MY OWN LED TAIL LIGHTS


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 33
Sacramento, CA United States
Icemann, you've really inspired some of us to pursue this cool modification in a new direction! Instead of looking for the least expensive and/or most available LED tail-light system on the market it's very challenging to fabricate one of your own. Kudos to you for generating such interest.

I've been pouring over questions posed to you 'bout your LED tail-light and your answers. Now I have a few of my own...

1. I gather you're driving a quad-row set of LEDs per channel from the sequencer but are the commons (negative side) of the LEDs tied together?

2. When applying the brake voltage through the diode from the trailer kit converter is the common going from the LEDs back to the sequencer board or is there another common tying all the LED strips together?

3. Are you using a communal positive from the sequencer or individual positive wires per channel from the sequencer?

I appreciate your patience with this process we're going through and value all of our advice in this matter. As I continue to research I may come up with yet more questions... thank you for your help.
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icemann
Posted 2014-10-31 7:03 AM (#168528 - in reply to #167360)
Subject: Re: MADE MY OWN LED TAIL LIGHTS


Cruiser

Posts: 167
, OH
the sequencers vary. some. you may have several "channels". if you tied a stip of led's to each channel, then each WHOLE STRIP would light on then off and then move to the next whole strip on then off, then move. so instead of individual leds on off in a chase you get large amounts of light that chase. This model doesn't work well as you want the WHOLE thing to chase together. In my case. ALL LEDS are wired together. pos to pos, neg to neg making one LARGE LIGHT UP LED AREA.

So for example the one from parts express above. its more of an IR led controller so you can use a remote to make changes. It just happens to have a "MODE" that allows the leds to run or chase, and another mode is to GROW GLOW or go from dim to bright to brighter to brighter to full bright and repeat.

So if you were to hook all your leds together and then connect that in line between the power and the leds, and leave it in grow glow mode for example. every time you applied the power on the whole panel would glow grow like a pulsing turn signal so to speak. or if you used the chase mode, and all LEDS were running the same way up the panel and you hooked all power wires together. chase would go upward then repeat.

With that thought. you would come off the turn signal wire for that side to the IR module from parts express which the output would go to the diode that went to the LEDS as (turn). so when you hit the turn signal on the bike it would apply voltage to the turn wire from the trailer controller which would go to the controller which would go thru the diode to prevent it from back feeding to the other wires tail light and brake, which is hooked to the LED panel and cause it to chase away.

something to play with if all that made sense. My sequencer came off of an LED panel that basically all channels chased away at the same time. So I could hook up one channel to the tail light, and say another channel to the trunk, and another to the front etc. I just used one channel.

Again, make a small set up on a bench and tape it down to a piece of card board to play with. 3-5 leds for each row. 4-5 rows would be enough to play with using a battery on a battery tender or a 12v supply.

Once you think you have something that you like. run longer leads over to the bike and "tap on" to test one side. The wire harness is under the seat, passenger side, above the space where the XM module would go.

#1. yes, in my case however my sequencer has a 12v input, and individual channel 12v outputs with both plus and minus. that $9 from parts express would be a better start. small. (1"x1"x1"

#2. common is common. since the brake controller is tied to ground, (the battery or a screw). the leds can go to the battery or a screw. mine is a little different. I ran power from the ignition and ground to my tie in point so I used it to power the inverter. The bike signal wires are just triggering it.

#3. depends if the seq has +/- outputs or just + output.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/--xNouVvuzrU/UZdgWHEEayI/AAAAAAAAGlY/4OB-B...

Edited by icemann 2014-10-31 7:32 AM




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icemann
Posted 2014-10-31 7:03 AM (#168529 - in reply to #167360)
Subject: Re: MADE MY OWN LED TAIL LIGHTS


Cruiser

Posts: 167
, OH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgsKKGZRizY

this is the BIG version of the parts express model. remember you need one for each side.

If you just used a single color LED say white, it would chase on its own.



Edited by icemann 2014-10-31 7:06 AM
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icemann
Posted 2014-10-31 7:17 AM (#168530 - in reply to #167360)
Subject: Re: MADE MY OWN LED TAIL LIGHTS


Cruiser

Posts: 167
, OH
watch the video it shows the parts express style controller. "www.aliexpress.com" look up leds strips for kits very cheap.

https://www.torchstar.biz/detail.php?id=509


aliexpress

http://www.aliexpress.com/premium/led-strips.html?ltype=wholesale&S...



Edited by icemann 2014-10-31 7:19 AM
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icemann
Posted 2014-10-31 7:27 AM (#168531 - in reply to #167360)
Subject: Re: MADE MY OWN LED TAIL LIGHTS


Cruiser

Posts: 167
, OH
I still think now the LED magician would be the most creative. Using Tracing Transience mode. (goto video section and watch tracing mode)

http://www.ledmagician.com/p/videos.html

http://www.readymaderc.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&c...



Edited by icemann 2014-10-31 7:36 AM
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nailer
Posted 2014-11-02 5:39 PM (#168545 - in reply to #168531)
Subject: Re: MADE MY OWN LED TAIL LIGHTS


Tourer

Posts: 366
Albuquerque, NM
I hooked up the Led magician and it'll do a nice job with the sequencing. It can't do brakes, running lights, along with sequencing. My next thought is interlacing three separate rows of LEDs to perform the three functions. This would require alot of LEDs possibly ruling out using 3m strip LEDs. 240 LEDs per meter are the most dense combo I've found. Need to make a tail light board pattern and layout the LEDs and see what it looks like. Brake lights will control horizontal row 2,5,7, etc.., running lights will controll rows 3,6,9, etc.. Led magician will control rows 1,4,8, etc... I know the round old two lead style solder in LEDs will provide the dense pattern required and they are cheap but a lot of soldering will be required.
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