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Puddle Jumper
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Salt lake city Ut. | Has anybody tried the Avon cobra tires on the Vision? I am thinking about trying a set. |
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Cruiser
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Hot Springs Village, Arkansas | I have not tried tried them on the Vision, I put one on the front of my Kingpin and was very happy with it(solved a weave/wobble problem I had with Metzlers). Traction/handling was very good, I'm sorry I can't help with wear rating as I traded up to the Vision. Try Moto X Outlet in Utah for a great price, and good service. I know this wasn't your question, but I hope it helps you feel more comfortable with that choice. Alan |
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Puddle Jumper
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Salt lake city Ut. | Thanks I have them ordered, I will update with more info as I put some miles on.  |
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Puddle Jumper
Posts: 44
Salt lake city Ut. | oops
Edited by Side Car 2009-02-17 6:12 PM
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Visionary
Posts: 1484
LaPorte,Tx. | Side Car, can you let me know why your switching to the Avon tire on your Vision instead of the replacing with the Dunlap E3. Thanks. |
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Visionary
Posts: 1290
Ruskin, Fl | I plan on switching to Avons soon. Let me know what you think. |
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Puddle Jumper
Posts: 44
Salt lake city Ut. | Tex,
I have had the avon tires on my other bikes and I felt like they had better grip. I cannot say they lasted any longer but some of the guys I know have the avons on wings and BMW tourers and recomended them. Time will tell! |
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Cruiser
Posts: 65
| I swapped the standard M's for Avons on my Roc III Tour and they were a world apart. Handling was vastly improved - I'll be interested to hear what you make of the Avons n the Vision. |
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Visionary
Posts: 1484
LaPorte,Tx. | The main thing to remember when switching away from the OEM tire is the fitment of the tire. Besure to check the fitment chart on any tire you replace with. The rim widths of the Vision are 3.0" on the front and 5.0" on the rear. If the tire your looking at is not designed to fit these rims, I wouldn't put them on and expect good all around performance. With the Avon Cobra, your ok on the rear tire for fitment on the Vision, but the front does not look like it matches their fitment charts, which recommends a 3.5" rim width. But when you go to the model match, they recommend the front tire, but recommend a 36psi pressure. That is a little lower that most of us run. Anyway good luck with your search. |
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Tourer
Posts: 354
20 miles west of Chicago. | I did this a long time ago so things may have changed. When I bought Metzlers for my 04 Kingpin the fitment recommended by Metzler was for 5.5 rear and 3.5 front, so I was worried too. I checked and found that the recommended wheel size on the Dunlop site for the factory OEM tires was also 5.5 and 3.5 in. Check the Dunlop site for the recommended wheel size for the Elite lll's and I's be willing to bet they also are intended for 5.5 and 3.5 in. wheels. To make my point, I don't think it's a problem. Perhaps the Vic wheel sizes are nominal. |
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Tourer
Posts: 354
20 miles west of Chicago. |
SIZE LOAD/ SPEED INDEX SIDEWALL PART # APPLICABLE RIMS
RECOMMENDED RIM OVERALL DIAMETER OVERALL WIDTH FULL TREAD DEPTH MAXIMUM LOAD @ PSI
Elite 3 Radial Front
150/80R17 72H BW 4080-92 3.50 26.77 6.16 5/32 783 @ 41
130/70R18 63H BW 4080-78 3.50 25.26 5.08 6/32 600 @ 41
120/70R21 62V BW 4080-97 3.00 3.50 3.75 27.61 4.83 6/32 584 @ 41
Elite 3 Radial Rear
180/60R16 80H BW 4180-56 5.00 24.39 7.16 9/32 992 @ 41
180/70R16 77H BW 4080-82 5.00 26.06 7.13 10/32 910 @ 41
240/40R18 79V BW 4080-88 8.00 25.91 9.29 12/32 963 @ 41
250/40R18 81V BW 4080-99 8.50 9.00 26.20 10.02 8/32 1019 @ 42
It looks like the rear fitment is a recommended 5.00, but the front is, in fact, 3.5 in.
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Visionary
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LaPorte,Tx. | Mudge - 2009-02-24 5:19 PM
I did this a long time ago so things may have changed. When I bought Metzlers for my 04 Kingpin the fitment recommended by Metzler was for 5.5 rear and 3.5 front, so I was worried too. I checked and found that the recommended wheel size on the Dunlop site for the factory OEM tires was also 5.5 and 3.5 in. Check the Dunlop site for the recommended wheel size for the Elite lll's and I's be willing to bet they also are intended for 5.5 and 3.5 in. wheels. To make my point, I don't think it's a problem. Perhaps the Vic wheel sizes are nominal.
I too had a 2004 Kingpin and when installing a fitment tire of 5.5" on the rear, there were performance problems (wobble) at high speed, above 85mph. With the proper fitment Dunlap or Avon, there was not problem. If you would ride 100% under 85 mph, there would be no problem. |
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Tourer
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, IA | can someone explain the difference between a radial tire, and a bias ply tire besides cost |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | sonicbluerider - 2009-03-05 1:43 AM can someone explain the difference between a radial tire, and a bias ply tire besides cost I know there are experts out there on everything, but I'll try to tell you something. One, it is much more than cost, it is design and material. Questions likes these are best found on the wikipedia site or a google search to read and understand it. As it applies to the application though, your Vision, it is designed to run radial tires. My old goldwing that I had was only designed to run bias tires, and I used the Dunlop E3 and found it to be the best tire. I did some research on whether I could run radials it recommended no, because of the engineering of the bike could make it hazardous in handling if I ran a radial, and the same is true if you are running a vehicle designed for a radial and run bias. Now there may be a hundred people that will dispute this and even some who will say they run a motorcycle with a car tire with no problem. As for me, I'll take what is designed for the bike if it means handling and my life. |
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Visionary
Posts: 1290
Ruskin, Fl | From Coker Tires website.
Bias Ply Versus Radial Tires
What is the difference between the two?
The main difference lies in the tire's construction. The basic carcass of all tires is made up of layers of rubber permeated fabric. These layers are referred to as plies, and the most common fabric used today is polyester. The method or the "direction" these plies are applied, with relations to each other and to the center line of the tread, differentiates between a "bias" and a "radial" tire. The plies on a bias tire run approximately 45 degrees to the center line of the tread, alternating in direction with each layer; thus, they crisscross or run in 90 degree angles to each other. This design or style of construction was common on all tires provided as original equipment, on U.S. built cars, until the early 1970's. The plies on a radial tire run 90 degrees to the center line of the tire and basically overlap instead of crisscrossing. This new design, actually developed during the Second World War , allows the side walls of the tire to be more "flexible" which provides less rolling resistance, providing better gas mileage, and longer tread life. This "flex" also promotes better adherence to the road, thus better handling on both wet and dry surfaces. The radial tire found early acceptance in Europe, and finally became standard equipment on most U.S. passenger cars by 1974.
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Tourer
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, IA | thank u |
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