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Iron Butt
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Central New York | Anyone that is running the Bridgestone G709 on the front of they're Vision, could you give a short review? Milage, handling in dry and wet, and how they do on tar snakes. Would be appreciated as I am considering the G709/G704 as a winter project. 
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Cruiser
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Denver | I just sold my vision, but in May that is the combo I used on my Vision 709/704 front and rear. I always used that combo on my wings and was really pleased with the results. On the Vision with 7 k on the tires they still like like new. They handle great in the wet (which for me is why I bought them vs the elite 3's) and just did not have the noise that the dunlops had. Hope that helps... I also had the dealer put the 90 degree valve stems to help check and fill.
Willy
Edited by BillyTheKidd 2010-09-22 8:51 PM
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Tourer
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Gettysburg, 2008 Tour Premium | I went with the Bridgestone front and E3 rear and like the combo. The Stone is a little faster responding tire but not twitchy. I stuck with the E3 on the rear because of weight rating is higher that anybody. I have 4K+ and all is well. |
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Iron Butt
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Peachtree City, GA | So - why not Bridgestone on both the fronnt and the back. The weight item is not an issue for me so what other reason is there? |
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Tourer
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Gettysburg, 2008 Tour Premium | The E3 rear is rated 80 vs 77 for all the others. I think that is around 90 lbs and I dont have a problem with the E3 rear, its the front that was noisey. Ordered my tires from Wing Stuff, free shipping and good prices. |
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Iron Butt
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Central New York | I don't run with a trunk, strictly "street", so I really don't need the "80" rating. |
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Iron Butt
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Central New York | I don't run with a trunk, strictly "street", so I really don't need the "80" rating. |
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Cruiser
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Lehigh Valley, Pa | I will let you know in a few weeks, I ordered a set this week from wingstuff.com (Cyclegiant), $304 for the pair delivered. |
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Visionary
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| I read great reviews on the Bridgestones But one guy said he thought he could get more miles if they balanced them like a car tire.
Do you think he meant on the bike? I wounder if those beads in the tire help life?? |
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Iron Butt
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| While the reviews here are great to read, some common sense needs to be shown. While the stock Dunlop E3s have a 80H load rating, any tire with a load rating of 74H or higher will work just fine on even a FULLY LOADED Vision as a 74H rated tire is rated for 830 pounds at max pressure (usually 41 or 42 psi for the rear) which is where most should run in the rear for best tire life. Think about it, ONE tire alone is rated for almost the entire weight of the bike (even more so for those running a Street) and TWO tires of the same load rating allow a max load of 1660 pounds which if far more than a Vision Tour or Street is rated for with a max load of rider, passenger, and cargo. |
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Visionary
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LaPorte,Tx. | The Vision has a load rating of 901lbs. on the rear axle. So, with that load rating of the rear axle, the E3 is the only 180/60R-16 with a rating to match or excide the axle rating. |
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Tourer
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Akron Ohio area | Shouldn't compare Goldwing tires to Vision tires.
It would be like comparing an E150 to an E350 pickup truck.
Goldwings only have a carry capacity of 420 pounds while a Vision has a carry capacity well in excess of 520 pounds.
As far as I can tell, VisonTex is correct, there presently is only one tire for the rear.
As far as Travelin Man goes, motorcycles carry much more weight on the rear tire than on the front tire. They are never balanced as far as weight distribution. |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | I'm not of what angle you are making your statement Bigfoot, but the GL1800 Wing and the Vision come stock with the same tire Dunlop E3, size and all. |
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Iron Butt
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| Actually Chris, unless Honda has made some changes to the GL1800 Goldwing in the past couple of years it comes from the factory with really crappy Dunlop D250 tires, but I understand your point.
William, I do not know where you are getting your information from, but I just went out and looked at the sticker on my left saddlebag lid and it specifies a maximum load of 525 pounds, you take that plus the weight of the bike (approximately 890 pounds wet for a Tour per Victory's website) and divide it by two and that number must not exceed the load rating of the tire and in the case of a Vision Tour that would equal 707.5 pounds, again, well within the load ratings of a 74H rated tire. You can argue all you want about weight distribution but until someone pulls a wheelie on a fully loaded Vision Tour I will go with the 50/50 front/rear loads in calculating the loadings on my Vision. |
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Iron Butt
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| Oh, and James, you really need to go back to the Victory site to see the load distribution that Victory listed for the Vision Tour, it is almost a perfect 50/50 loading with just the bike, the only additional weight to the rear is when carrying a passenger and/or the hitch weight of a towed trailer.
On the Honda GL1800 Goldwing the weight bias is more towards the front with about a 60/40 front to rear bias and they claim the do this to better equalize the weight when riding 2 up. |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | Travelin Man - 2010-09-24 5:08 PM
Actually Chris, unless Honda has made some changes to the GL1800 Goldwing in the past couple of years it comes from the factory with really crappy Dunlop D250 tires, but I understand your point.
William, I do not know where you are getting your information from, but I just went out and looked at the sticker on my left saddlebag lid and it specifies a maximum load of 525 pounds, you take that plus the weight of the bike (approximately 890 pounds wet for a Tour per Victory's website) and divide it by two and that number must not exceed the load rating of the tire and in the case of a Vision Tour that would equal 707.5 pounds, again, well within the load ratings of a 74H rated tire. You can argue all you want about weight distribution but until someone pulls a wheelie on a fully loaded Vision Tour I will go with the 50/50 front/rear loads in calculating the loadings on my Vision.
Okay, I'll stand corrected, I've got a friend with an '03 and that is what he says came with it and that is still what he runs. |
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Visionary
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LaPorte,Tx. | Travelin Man - 2010-09-24 3:08 PM
Actually Chris, unless Honda has made some changes to the GL1800 Goldwing in the past couple of years it comes from the factory with really crappy Dunlop D250 tires, but I understand your point.
William, I do not know where you are getting your information from, but I just went out and looked at the sticker on my left saddlebag lid and it specifies a maximum load of 525 pounds, you take that plus the weight of the bike (approximately 890 pounds wet for a Tour per Victory's website) and divide it by two and that number must not exceed the load rating of the tire and in the case of a Vision Tour that would equal 707.5 pounds, again, well within the load ratings of a 74H rated tire. You can argue all you want about weight distribution but until someone pulls a wheelie on a fully loaded Vision Tour I will go with the 50/50 front/rear loads in calculating the loadings on my Vision.
The load rating of the rear axle is stated in the service manual at 901 lbs. The load rating of the front tire on the Vision is 63 which has a maximum load capcity of 600 lbs. There is no argument here. If a person wants to put a 74 load rated tire on the bike, that is no problem, as long as you don't over load the tire. I don't know what the wait distribution is, but I would think that with a rider, passenger, and luggage loaded, there would be more weight on the back axle. |
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Cruiser
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Denver | My 04 Wing came with the E3s, my 01 came with Bridgestones, there was no 709 front at the time. My 06 came with the D250's so the wing was all over the place. I was certainly not comparing wing tires with Vision tires but the analogy of a e150 to e350 is way out there, I only stated that I never had a problem and liked them on my wing. That said, I toured over 7k this summer with the Birdgestones and was fully loaded and the bike handled perfect, and the tire wear was from what I could tell no different than the E3. Please use the tire you are comfortable with.
Willy
Edited by BillyTheKidd 2010-09-25 9:12 AM
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Tourer
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Moravia, IA | I run the 709 on the front of my Vision tour with a Bridgestone car tire on the back. Great tire. Ive ridden in torrential downpours where there was visible running water on the road.....I slowed down to about 45mph and kept rolling, past cars pulled off the road. Ive never had a moment of instability or a hint of lost traction. The front tire has about 7K miles on it and isnt showing any significant wear, Id bet I get 15K or better out of it. |
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